Hi everyone. Apologies for my late arrival.
I am familiar with the basic tenets of Dune, however my knowledge comes from the Dune game, my splintered recollection of the Dune movie which I watched when I was 12 and what I've read in the Dune wiki.
mavketl wrote:Definitely good: All Atreides except for Yueh. The Fremen.
Probably good: Bene Gesserit
Probably independent: CHOAM.
Could go either way, but probably bad: House Corrino
Definitely bad: Harkonnen
My initial thoughts were leaning towards each House being its own faction with a kill, although House Atridies would obviously be considered the 'good' faction.
I'm still pondering how the Emporer would fit into the setup though.
Adacore wrote:Also, it occurs to me we should get this out of the way early: is there any individual or faction in the flavour that has any kind of recruitment ability? If there's the possibility of a cult, we want to know about it now, rather than the standard theme-game thing of not realising it exists until about Day 4...
I am not familiar enough with the flavour to hypothesise on the existance of the cult. However, in previous games, I have, as a scum player, merrily raised suspicion about a non-existent cult to keep the town players running scared.
greenlover wrote:So, in other words, we really cannot generalize the different groups in this game as either towny or scummy. Though the Baron is probably scum, other members of House Harkonnen may have towny bents, and, though the Duke is probably towny, some of his house (the doctor, maybe?) may very well have summy bents. Thus, who the scum/town are is going to be more determined on a individual level rather than a house/group level. From that, I think we can deduce several things.
I'm not so sure about this - mostly it would make the game rather complicated for the mod. But VZ might enjoy that sort of masochistic moderator management...
Is it too early to start scum-hunting, or do we need 2 more pages of roles-spec analysis before the 'serious' stuff starts?
Mavketl wrote:BigNose: feel free to start scumhunting!
Not A Raptor wrote:Mav: Getting itchy for a lynch target?
I find it slightly odd that NaR goes after Mav rather than BigNose (although NaRs comment strikes me as more playful than srs bsns).
krong wrote:I got a minor ping from Adacore and Mavketl for their encouraging BigNose to scumhunt. It's not that BigNose shouldn't be scumhunting -- it's that we all should be as soon as we see something. It was very polite, in a "please, you first" sort of way, but it looks like they're hanging back a bit, especially since mister k had already made the few points contained in their two posts.
I'm more suspicious of bignose - talking about scumhunting without actually doing any is a scumtell.
That said, you redeemed yourself in your next post.
Flying_Cookie wrote:I don't really think that the Fremen and Atrendis are likely to be allied per-say. A few people may have overlapping goals, or they maybe be able to win together, but the same might be said of other groups.
I wouldn't be surprised if instead of goals like 'Be the only faction left" some groups had goals like "Overthrow the Harkonan" "overthrow the Atrendis" "overthrow the emporer." "Be the controllers of Arrakis" etc, and that some groups could be set up so that they could win with another, such as the Atrendis and the Fremen, or the Emperor and the Harkonan, or the Harkonan and the Fremen if they could agree not to attack each other, or the Fremen and the Emperor. Etc.
Suggesting the Harkonnens and the Fremen could ever work together. The Harkonnens wholesale slaughter Fremen even unto the children. The Fremen routinely ambush and kill anyone who works for the Harkonnens, even if they are unarmed and uninvolved in the conflict. The Fremen-Harkonnen conflict is so central to both groups that to believe they could possibly work together in the game without liberties being taken to the point of things being unrecognizable as Dune is ludicrous. This appears to be planting seeds later for some sort of false-claim (though what I can't imagine).
Flying_Cookie wrote:That'd would be the most amazing false claim I'd ever seen.
As far as I can remember though, the Harkonnen only really intentionally attacked the Fremen AFTER they took control again, and some shit started going down. (I feel like the Fremen started it, but I don't recall). Since this is set to take place at the halfway point (I'm think right after the Atrendis get smashed badly) it would be feasible that they could not be fighting with each other, if the fighting never started.
My idea wasn't that they would be allies, but that they wouldn't have to kill each other to have their own victories. Which is a difference.
At first, I thought that FC was just speaking in general (ie: not considering which factions he listed as examples). However, I don't really buy his subsequent justification - even I know that the harkonnen are evil and killed fremen as sport.
So I am probably most suspicious of FC, and to a lesser extent BigNose.