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by krazykomrade
Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:46 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

This right here is as ridiculous and misguided as anything religion has ever conjured up. Also, it is much closer to positivism than empiricism. Perhaps I'm miscommunicating? I shouldn't say 'no significance', as there are things that cannot be measured or tested that we place great value on; howev...
by krazykomrade
Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:58 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

that which cannot be observed, tested, or measured holds no significance or importance, and may as well be described as non-existent.

This right here is as ridiculous and misguided as anything religion has ever conjured up. Also, it is much closer to positivism than empiricism.
by krazykomrade
Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:00 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 600984

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Fair enough :)
by krazykomrade
Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 600984

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I can only judge by what you've written, but maybe I misunderstood or there's more going on than I'm aware of. I don't mean to belabor the point, but I think you have indeed misunderstood me. Your most recent post still seems to me to be grounded in your aforementioned dichotomy which I have alread...
by krazykomrade
Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

It actually does - your main point, as I understand it, is that it is "logically impossible for God to create a universe where humans have free will and also never make bad decisions." That's not my main point at all. That, like my infant story, was just an example to help illustrate my m...
by krazykomrade
Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:19 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 600984

Re: Religion: The Deuce

The truth you asserted is that individual autonomy applied universally should be our baseline, and that we shouldn't encroach on that without good reason. This is a moral truth, and it means something to you along the lines of "We get better results when more people accept and promote this sta...
by krazykomrade
Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:07 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

But you see, that's exactly what I am saying. As an example, it would be logically impossible for God to create a universe where humans have free will and also never make bad decisions. So, God could either create universe A, with free will and bad decisions (and all the evil, pain, suffering, etc ...
by krazykomrade
Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

Right, but you're saying that that good Y is something that God cannot bring about without causing pain X. Unless this god is not omnipotent, this means that the good is logically incompatible with a painless universe. But you see, that's exactly what I am saying. As an example, it would be logical...
by krazykomrade
Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:45 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 600984

Re: Religion: The Deuce

You say Liberalism isn't a truth, but then you assert it as one. You say it can't be tested, but then you offer up evidence. Doctrines can indeed be tested or else we'd be powerless to evaluate whether one is better than the other any more than we could evaluate if the Kinks are better than the Bea...
by krazykomrade
Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:45 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

The funny thing about analogies like this, vaccinations and incubations, is that they only exist because we are imperfect. That is, if we could create a world without disease, we wouldn't vaccinate the babies. We vaccinate them precisely because we don't have control over their future disease state...
by krazykomrade
Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:38 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

If an all powerful all good being exists, it means all suffering is part of a perfect model. Since there are plenty of good people who never faced stark adversity, it is(theoretically) possible to only create people who will have fun enjoyable lives. The fact that the world works differently then t...
by krazykomrade
Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 600984

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I don't accept this as true without justification or proof. I believe this idea needs to be tested before I accept that the way people around the world raise their kids, the way people have been raising their kids since before history began is wrong. I can't prove my position by saying it's always ...
by krazykomrade
Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 600984

Re: Religion: The Deuce

The problem is "good reason" isn't well defined and much of the time it's up to the parent's discretion. The liberty and autonomy argument I support is to respect the parents' rights. In the family unit, they are the ones I most trust in terms of decision making. And out of everyone on th...
by krazykomrade
Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:46 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

1. Omnipotence and omniscience are contradictory under physical laws. 2. Heck, omniscience by itself does not mesh with physical laws, and thus is impossible. 3. Omnibenevolence contradicts the other two, and the universe does not look like what we would expect were there an omnibenevolent agent of...
by krazykomrade
Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:44 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

Definitions of God tend to be either impossible or uninteresting. Okay, I'll bite. How about the traditional notion of God as a being which possesses the qualities of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolance? Is that impossible, or uninteresting? It strikes me as neither. I had a Philosophy of...
by krazykomrade
Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:09 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 600984

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Of course, we all agree that autonomy is great. But the argument as applied to adults doesn't always apply to kids. We expect parents to do some of the decision-making, and I believe in empowering them because they know their kids better than anyone else. So when you get into the realm of telling p...
by krazykomrade
Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:31 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

To put this another way (and bring it back to topic), how would it be possible for a physicalist to not be an atheist? A physicalist could believe that God is physical, or at least supervenes on the physical. Sounds a bit strange, but to me its not really any stranger than the idea that my own cons...
by krazykomrade
Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:27 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 600984

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Well, that second statement is actually a meta-ethical or metaphysical statement, not a moral one. And I'm not sure what it means to have "no rational value". To want to remain dry, see weather reports that it is raining outside, hear a pitter-patter on the roof, see lightening flash thro...
by krazykomrade
Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:42 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

I also don't understand where you're getting the impression that I think that non-physicalists are unconcerned with knowledge in general To me, the following statement: From the materialist's perspective--from someone who is only concerned with what can be measured, observed, and known-- is phrased...
by krazykomrade
Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:51 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 600984

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Most children, if left to their own devices, don't take much interest in math, science, social studies, reading. They're completely content playing xbox all day. Most of them will not need any of these skills until they get kicked out of the house and need to get a job. Fortunately for them, a wise...
by krazykomrade
Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:11 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

That said, your explanation of a materialist seems a bit circular, since you define it in part as being concerned with what is known, and yet physicalism itself is theory about what sorts of things there are to be known. That is, there are many non-phsicalists who are primarily concerned with what ...
by krazykomrade
Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:32 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 600984

Re: Religion: The Deuce

No, they shouldn't. Children don't have the world experiences or maturity to make such weighty decisions on their own. They don't think that life even exists beyond tomorrow let alone next week. Which is why most children, if left to their own devices, don't take much interest in religion. Most of ...
by krazykomrade
Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:45 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 126126

Re: Does God Exist?

There is, and in all likelihood never will be, any empirical (see scientific ) case for God's existence. From the materialist's perspective--from someone who is only concerned with what can be measured, observed, and known--there is no empirical evidence, no mathematical proof, and no logically sou...
by krazykomrade
Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:49 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Legalising drugs?
Replies: 228
Views: 37325

Re: Legalising drugs?

Yes, you have the rights to body and mind, HOWEVER, with many of these narcotics you lose the ability of self control, and put others in danger. Then the harm you do to other should be illegal, which it is. Due to your career, most of you experience seems to be with the worst-case scenario of drug ...
by krazykomrade
Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:51 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Legalising drugs?
Replies: 228
Views: 37325

Re: Legalising drugs?

osiris32, How do you respond to the argument that regardless of the harms involved, a person has a fundamental right to their own body and mind, and to do what they want with these? Rights violations aside, I think you have greatly miscalculated the harms. The drug cartels would be able to lower the...
by krazykomrade
Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Legalising drugs?
Replies: 228
Views: 37325

Re: Legalising drugs?

On its own it's not enough of a reason to make something illegal imo. It's a reason to better educate honestly on the relative risks. And to provide effective support structures to help addicts cope with those risks and disadvantageous "changes to one's life" payed for by taxation of the ...
by krazykomrade
Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:50 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Legalising drugs?
Replies: 228
Views: 37325

Re: Legalising drugs?

All drugs should be available legally from a registered medical source but only IF: You are a registered drug addict It also forces drug addicts to engage with health services to buy legal drugs and so gives the opportunity to screen for HIV/Hepatitis and offer help. Is Professor Gilmore talking ab...
by krazykomrade
Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:54 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Legalising drugs?
Replies: 228
Views: 37325

Re: Legalising drugs?

The way I see it there are three main arguments for legalization: First, there is the consistency argument, which works by arguing that some or all illegal drugs are significantly analogous to legal drugs such as tobacco and alcohol that it is legally inconsistent for us to maintain the status quo. ...
by krazykomrade
Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:27 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: medical ethics and the power of placebo
Replies: 40
Views: 6071

Re: medical ethics and the power of placebo

Antidepressants are about the least clear treatment for anything in medicine, if you can even call them that. Antidepressants are frequently helpful when treating depression. Unless you think mental illness doesn't really exist? Yes, I think mental illness is a confused term, a fiction. However, th...
by krazykomrade
Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: medical ethics and the power of placebo
Replies: 40
Views: 6071

Re: medical ethics and the power of placebo

it's your supposition that the question of using placebos on unsuspecting patients is unanswered that renders it moot. In the U.S. and probably every other developed nation in the world, it's considered unethical Mister K wasn't asking or concerned with what is or is not considered ethical (in fact...
by krazykomrade
Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:13 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: medical ethics and the power of placebo
Replies: 40
Views: 6071

Re: medical ethics and the power of placebo

I think you could justify that on some level if you had their hypothetical consent, but you'd have to pack a lot more into your example to make that seem likely. Also, possible unforeseen consequences would be that if/when people discovered this was happening, it would cause them to lose faith in th...
by krazykomrade
Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:14 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The goal of humanity
Replies: 112
Views: 15465

Re: The goal of humanity

The only necessary factor of life is that it perpetuate itself. Beyond that, I don't think it matters two bits. Personally I have gotten more satisfaction from vicodin and weed (separately) than from viewing or creating any work of art, but I'm more hedonistic than average. Given the assumption tha...
by krazykomrade
Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:13 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The goal of humanity
Replies: 112
Views: 15465

Re: The goal of humanity

Taking Idiocracy as an example... At one point the female lead in Idiocracy asks (I'm paraphrasing from memory), "Do you think Einstein walked around thinkin' everyone was a buncha dumbshits?" The people seemed pretty happy most of the time, even though we as outsiders are supposed to fin...
by krazykomrade
Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:40 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Can an objective metric for good and bad exist?
Replies: 128
Views: 17377

Re: Can an objective metric for good and bad exist?

(if we can objectively characterize human well-being, it absolutely is in the domain of science) What does it mean to "objectively characterize human well-being?" Human well-being seems to be an incredibly value-laden concept, in fact, I can't imagine how it could not be. Religion has bee...
by krazykomrade
Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Can an objective metric for good and bad exist?
Replies: 128
Views: 17377

Re: Can an objective metric for good and bad exist?

Ugh, since I first encountered this thread and the human goals one, I was afraid Sam Harris would pop up here eventually. Harris isn't advocating much more than a rather crude, bastardized form of utilitarianism, along with all its problems and several new ones, combined with a deep misunderstanding...
by krazykomrade
Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:58 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Can an objective metric for good and bad exist?
Replies: 128
Views: 17377

Re: Can an objective metric for good and bad exist?

instead of trying to find an objective metric for good and evil you re-define 'objective' to mean 'inter-subjective'... poor form. Yup, that sounds about right. However absolute terms such as objective are not very useful. You could never prove anything is objective as you define it. You can never ...
by krazykomrade
Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:44 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The goal of humanity
Replies: 112
Views: 15465

Re: The goal of humanity

I don't agree with basing goals on outdated philosophical systems of ethics but I do agree that such a framework could be viable, if a more modern and workable system could be devised. I really don't understand what you mean by "outdated"; what exactly about these systems makes them inapp...
by krazykomrade
Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:51 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Can an objective metric for good and bad exist?
Replies: 128
Views: 17377

Re: Can an objective metric for good and bad exist?

If the desire is to create a universal moral definition than good luck. That's not what we're trying to do at all; we were trying to figure out if, as the title of this thread suggests, an objective metric for good and bad exists. But some moral events are nowhere near as complex and are effectivel...
by krazykomrade
Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:03 am UTC
Forum: Music
Topic: Recommend one artist
Replies: 1018
Views: 285696

Re: Recommend one artist

Anyone remember Soul Coughing? They have such an awesome sound. I wonder what happened to them... I think my favorite song of theirs is Lazy Bones... http://www.ilike.com/artist/Soul+Coughing/track/Lazybones Hell yeah I remember them! I don't think I've ever encountered anyone else who has ever hea...
by krazykomrade
Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:47 pm UTC
Forum: Music
Topic: Unpopular Musical Opinions
Replies: 1093
Views: 97647

Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

It seems like a silly song ( which it might just be ) but somehow it's so god damn moving. I definitely agree; I think Modest Mouse is often at it's best when it combines insight into the dark, unpleasant, and confusing parts of being a human with a playful and sometimes wry silliness. I especially...

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