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by Rainsborough
Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:46 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is it right to design weapons?
Replies: 134
Views: 19470

Re: Is it right to design weapons?

Except the weapon cannot do that without input from the controller. You treat a Soldier in war like a case-study in your ethics class. Ethics have absolutely nothing to fucking do with it. You put someone in battle and they will do everything that they can to survive, or to defeat their enemy, or t...
by Rainsborough
Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:44 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Implications of collecting DNA samples
Replies: 161
Views: 12915

Re: Implications of collecting DNA samples

I'm pretty sure that neither of us can win this argument, practicalities aside we have differing views on what Privacy constitutes, Hang on, I thought your objection was on grounds of Assault - Right to Bodily Integrity rather than Privacy? Which didn't seem to be the view of the European Courts (y...
by Rainsborough
Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:36 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Implications of collecting DNA samples
Replies: 161
Views: 12915

Re: Implications of collecting DNA samples

Question: What if a mandatory database is introduced and someone refuses to give a sample? Would you advocate the use of force to retrieve one. What if a mandatory tax is introduced, and someone refuses to pay their taxes? Same concept, same consequence. === Say instead that providing a sample were...
by Rainsborough
Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:04 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Implications of collecting DNA samples
Replies: 161
Views: 12915

Re: Implications of collecting DNA samples

Such an implied consent does not exist for the government to assault me in the course of obtaining a DNA sample. That's not really what I'm going for. To obtain a DNA sample I necessarily have to be assaulted or more technically battered. Some of us operate under more reasonable definitions of assa...
by Rainsborough
Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Implications of collecting DNA samples
Replies: 161
Views: 12915

Re: Implications of collecting DNA samples

There are huge practical issues that you seem to dismiss offhand. When I'm discussing the theoretical benefits of a universal DNA database, yes, I'm going to dismiss certain practical issues. I find it highly unlikely that any universal DNA database would become a reality anytime soon, thus I'm not...
by Rainsborough
Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:41 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Implications of collecting DNA samples
Replies: 161
Views: 12915

Re: Implications of collecting DNA samples

It's not like the labs running these tests are necessarily impartial, it may be the case that the only lab which is allowed to handle the evidence may be a lab under the administration of the police. I seem to recall such a case where such a lab was withholding evidence that wouldn't help out the p...
by Rainsborough
Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:20 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Which WW2 battle was more instrumental in defeating Germany?
Replies: 101
Views: 15926

Re: Which WW2 battle was more instrumental in defeating Germ

In my admittedly inexpert opinion, the German invasion of Russia in 1941 was the Nazi's biggest mistake. It was massively premature and just straight up underestimated the tenacity, adaptability and sheer scale of the Soviet Union, the racial ideology of the Nazis was a major factor in this. If inst...
by Rainsborough
Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:45 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Implications of collecting DNA samples
Replies: 161
Views: 12915

Re: Implications of collecting DNA samples

Yes but you see that such a DNA match (with a relatively large number of matches of which the defendant is one) would create more doubt in a court of law than it would certainty. As such it would be detrimental to the prosecution's case. Er, no? Doubt is the default; DNA evidence narrowing the fiel...
by Rainsborough
Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:10 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Implications of collecting DNA samples
Replies: 161
Views: 12915

Re: Implications of collecting DNA samples

And then the prosecution presents all of the other evidence they have to clearly show that the defendant is the perpetrator. Seriously, what is it with people assuming that DNA evidence is going to be the only evidence involved in a case? Yes but you see that such a DNA match (with a relatively lar...
by Rainsborough
Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Implications of collecting DNA samples
Replies: 161
Views: 12915

Re: Implications of collecting DNA samples

I just want to back track slightly and focus on the whole 2000 matches and 1999 false positives thing and why the police would probably need to exhaustively investigate all matches. If we imagine a scenario where they didn't: Clever Defence Barrister: So Inspector Lestrade, I believe you first ident...
by Rainsborough
Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Implications of collecting DNA samples
Replies: 161
Views: 12915

Re: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)

And I don't really accept the dystopian/totalitarian government angle; if such a government wanted it could just force citizens to report for DNA profiling, so it's not as if not having the database already existing would change much. In the ultimate of Godwins, DNA wasn't even "discovered&quo...
by Rainsborough
Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Implications of collecting DNA samples
Replies: 161
Views: 12915

Re: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)

I think the idea, aside from the fact that many people feel that those things do invade privacy, and the concept that privacy is a basic human need and right for which no justification is needed, is that the database with that information could be compromised or abused in any number of ways. Your i...
by Rainsborough
Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Implications of collecting DNA samples
Replies: 161
Views: 12915

Re: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)

Right. Thus the "unless there's a whole lot of *additional* evidence" part. One would hope that a mere database match alone wouldn't be enough to officially charge a suspect in the first place, but if they do, and it goes to trial, I unfortunately lack confidence in the ability of a jury ...
by Rainsborough
Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Implications of collecting DNA samples
Replies: 161
Views: 12915

Implications of collecting DNA samples

I was watching Prime Minister's Question time, here in the UK and there appears to be a push from certain elements in both main parties to ensure that the DNA of anyone who is arrested but not convicted of rape is stored on the national database. For anyone who doesn't know the context; the Police i...
by Rainsborough
Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:13 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Lulzsec
Replies: 230
Views: 34895

Re: Lulzsec

I would submit that a hacker cares most of all about hacking, and his or her increasing skill therein; I would also submit that a hackers skill increases with the websites he or she is morally allowed to hack (under the constraints of the argument, at least). So, the hacker (the greatly skilled one...
by Rainsborough
Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:01 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)
Replies: 608
Views: 97150

Re: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)

Doesn't that depend on what you define the Culture of Violence as? I haven't really got time to go into it exhaustively but bell hooks has written extensively on the subject, far more eruditely than I ever could and I think it would bear examining before people start tearing at my jugular. Well, ye...
by Rainsborough
Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:06 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Lulzsec
Replies: 230
Views: 34895

Re: Lulzsec

I understand that. What I don't understand is the assertion that this meme is a unique phrase or that separate instances of its usage imply that the same person/entity is behind both. I think it ties in with their claim that they are the original /b/. The "cream of the crop." So they clai...
by Rainsborough
Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:54 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)
Replies: 608
Views: 97150

Re: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)

I saw some people trying to get money for breast cancer research today. Naturally, I asked them why they were wasting their energy on this one specific manifestation of cancer when they could be trying to cure every kind of cancer. Are you being willfully ignorant? When you can present an argument ...
by Rainsborough
Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)
Replies: 608
Views: 97150

Re: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)

Surely treating the systemic issue is better than attempting to deal with one manifestation of it. Right, you're new here and you probably haven't heard this said a thousand times, so (maybe) here's the first: We, as individuals, have every right to focus on fixing the problems that we want to fix,...
by Rainsborough
Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:06 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Lulzsec
Replies: 230
Views: 34895

Re: Lulzsec

I'm getting a Joker vibe from all of this. "Some people just want to watch the world burn" and all that. Generally speaking, its more of a "V" vibe. "People should not fear their governments --- Governments should fear the people". Illogical distrust of the government ...
by Rainsborough
Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:00 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)
Replies: 608
Views: 97150

Re: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)

I know a lot of people have been very frustrated with this thread, but think we're actually doing a really good job of discussing this subject. Yes, a lot of the posts encapsulate what "rape culture" is, and not everyone has been convinced that worrying about and trying to change "ra...
by Rainsborough
Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:17 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)
Replies: 608
Views: 97150

Re: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)

Clearly I do have a different definition of blame than you. In my definition "if you didn't do action a, result b would not have happened" and "action a is to blame for result b" are synonymous. Since that is not the definition you were using, I apologise for any confusion I may...
by Rainsborough
Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:42 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)
Replies: 608
Views: 97150

Re: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)

We haven't bothered legally defining rape because we know everyone is equally capable of finding out what the law says in their own location, and also because corner cases aren't really the point, and we're *mostly* agreed about things that aren't corner cases. I'm sorry I've intruded on this unsta...
by Rainsborough
Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:46 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)
Replies: 608
Views: 97150

Re: Rape Culture (Obvious Trigger Warning)

I'm astounded that throughout the entire thread no-one has bothered to legally define rape and consent. I fully realise that the board is pretty international, but still a definition would be really useful. So I will supply one, please note that all the following applies only to English Criminal Law...
by Rainsborough
Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:06 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Lulzsec
Replies: 230
Views: 34895

Re: Lulzsec

Okay, lets say you got offshore. Which ISP will serve you on Sealand? And if the ISP is sued or pressured by its government to cut its connections with you, what do you then? Come on, the internet has absolutely no analogy to the sea. You need to put a computer, somewhere, and that computer needs t...
by Rainsborough
Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:54 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Anti-Gay Concentration Camps
Replies: 92
Views: 14088

Re: Anti-Gay Concentration Camps

I have to say that it really staggers me that this sort of thing can go on. Without getting overly self congratulatory, this kinda thing could never happen in the UK. Each local authority has the responsibility to safeguard the wellbeing of minors in their area, any person that deals with children i...
by Rainsborough
Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:19 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Lulzsec
Replies: 230
Views: 34895

Re: Lulzsec

Xeio wrote:
Rainsborough wrote:To quote Mr Universe "You can't kill the single."
You fail at quoting forever.


Shut up I'm tired drunk and trying to learn danish.
by Rainsborough
Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is it right to design weapons?
Replies: 134
Views: 19470

Re: Is it right to design weapons?

Deontologists can have a concept of "just cause" and say that killing is wrong unless it's justified by some other moral duty. Moral systems that require honor killings are deontological, for one. I'd agree that a deonologist who says that killing is wrong cannot make weapons. You can't h...
by Rainsborough
Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:58 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Lulzsec
Replies: 230
Views: 34895

Re: Lulzsec

If your server is located in say, Stockholm, then it is possible for the Sweedish Police to Raid your facility and confiscate your computers . Your computers will exist somewhere, in some country. And as long as they're physically tied to some system, then they can be shut down. Even "Cloud Se...
by Rainsborough
Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:28 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Lulzsec
Replies: 230
Views: 34895

Re: Lulzsec

But that is just silly. We're not allowed to say... distribute Child Porn over the internet. The FBI will track you down and arrest you. Our freedom of speech has always been constrained (to some extent), and those constrains apply to the Internet. Hacking has never been legal, and there are even f...
by Rainsborough
Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:42 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is it right to design weapons?
Replies: 134
Views: 19470

Re: Is it right to design weapons?

I think the general crux of the question comes down to whether you're a utilitarian or a deontologist. From a utilitarian perspective, the question is whether the purpose (and reasonably foreseeable use) of the weapon is to achieve a net gain in number of lives. One can argue that a "smart bomb...
by Rainsborough
Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:03 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Assange, Wikileaks, and the Philsophy of Anti-Conspiracy
Replies: 31
Views: 41137

Re: Assange, Wikileaks, and the Philsophy of Anti-Conspiracy

[...]barely anyone in this day and age lives solely in their "own community." Communities are defined by relationships between people not simply geographic location. We've got a bit off topic generally and I feel like I should apologise to Gelshamel for turning a rather tired debate on an...
by Rainsborough
Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Mastercard 'hit by Anonymous Wikileaks revenge attacks'
Replies: 121
Views: 14452

Re: Mastercard 'hit by Anonymous Wikileaks revenge attacks'

Don't you think it is only a small step before Wiki or some other webmaster starts publishing private information about ordinary people? Whether you have a skeleton to hide or not, there are still many things you just don't want floating around the web like ss# or medical records. Aren't there laws...
by Rainsborough
Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Assange, Wikileaks, and the Philsophy of Anti-Conspiracy
Replies: 31
Views: 41137

Re: Assange, Wikileaks, and the Philsophy of Anti-Conspiracy

I agree with HungryHobo as far as he goes. Government is not the law and Government is not society. And I also agree with the quotation. It's a prescient analogy, but there is no reason that the world cannot live without nuclear power. As regards to your point Sharbos: I see no reason that people ca...
by Rainsborough
Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:54 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Assange, Wikileaks, and the Philsophy of Anti-Conspiracy
Replies: 31
Views: 41137

Re: Assange, Wikileaks, and the Philsophy of Anti-Conspiracy

Your forgetting that vast time period before civilizations became large cities. No, I'm not. Both Archaeological and Anthropological evidence shows almost as far back as the fossil record goes, that humanity, and our close ancestors had tribal power structures that could, at a push, be analogised t...
by Rainsborough
Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Assange, Wikileaks, and the Philsophy of Anti-Conspiracy
Replies: 31
Views: 41137

Re: Assange, Wikileaks, and the Philsophy of Anti-Conspiracy

I'd say that at their very best Governments are a necessary evil. But even that is not certain cause we've never really tried living without them. As HungryHobo points out it is really the responsibility of all people to attempt to advance the causes of liberty, freedom and justice throughout the wo...
by Rainsborough
Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:44 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Assange, Wikileaks, and the Philsophy of Anti-Conspiracy
Replies: 31
Views: 41137

Re: Assange, Wikileaks, and the Philsophy of Anti-Conspiracy

I know this is rather turning into a dogpile on morriswalters but if I may weigh in. That turn's out not to be the truth. The New York Times or any other outlet is technically violating the Espionage Act. What happens is a very delicate balancing act. The government chooses not to punish the Times o...

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