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by HadouKen24
Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:32 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

Proves nothing. If I freeze your brain in time, or you die, the mechanism for mind, sentience, whatever, still exists. So there's no difference. That sounds a lot like you're agreeing with my analysis of the axiomatic version of the argument. If I seem picky with my words, it's because I'm trying t...
by HadouKen24
Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:23 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

When I said computers, I am of course referring to the programs. The programs make the computer be, without the program, the chip does nothing and it can't be said to be syntactic or semantic or anything. Well, yeah. But won't you concede that there's a difference between a program that's being exe...
by HadouKen24
Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:21 am UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Goals
Replies: 52
Views: 4172

Re: Goals

Sir_Elderberry wrote:Be remembered. I'll be very impressed with myself if my name is spoken two hundred years from now.


Not actually that hard, if you're willing to sacrifice everything else to it.

Take for your mentor the notorious Greek arsonist Herostratus.
by HadouKen24
Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:14 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Marijuana
Replies: 172
Views: 25274

Re: Marijuana

For some long term, heavy users of cannabis--the equivalent of several joints a day, though I'm not sure of the exact number--there is evidence of apparently permanent short term memory damage. But it's apparently not all users, and it's not an issue for recreational users. Incidentally, I prefer to...
by HadouKen24
Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:27 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

No, his very first axiom is that computers are syntactical, not semantic. From Wikipedia: (A1) "Programs are formal (syntactic)." Computers != programs. This is not a trivial distinction. His first three axioms on their own are sufficient to demonstrate that he believes, he assumes a prio...
by HadouKen24
Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:29 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

Okay, I think I see why you're thinking that way. You're trying to use the Popperian notion of falsifiability. A more falsifiable notion is better because it might possibly be shown to be false. But even Popper recognized that this was a peculiar limitation to scientific knowledge. Where one is not ...
by HadouKen24
Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:13 pm UTC
Forum: Religious Wars
Topic: Best *nix Desktop Environment/Window Manager/whatever
Replies: 243
Views: 47547

Re: Desktops and UIs

I'm using KDE at the moment, but I used to use Enlightenment 16 with Gnome, and I'm considering doing something along those lines with KDE. Gnome is... okay. I don't have all that many complaints against it except Nautilus. But when I'm doing file management-type tasks, I'm more likely to take it to...
by HadouKen24
Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

But how does that support your statement that "only my definition allows me to make any statement regarding the possibility of it?" I'm not seeing a train of logic that leads from your response to the statement it was meant to support. In fact, your last line seems to indicate just the opp...
by HadouKen24
Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:41 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

My understanding is that the Mary thought experiment is less and less used as an argument for the existence of qualia, at least in its original form. Frank Jackson, the man who proposed the experiment, has since abandoned it as such. It is, however, a useful starting point for talking about qualia. ...
by HadouKen24
Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:00 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

So your omnipotence is different from my omnipotence, but only my definition allows me to make any statement regarding the possibility of it.


Huh?

I don't understand how you came to this conclusion. It not only doesn't follow from... anything that's been said, but it's simply and obviously false.
by HadouKen24
Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:53 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

Anpheus, I think that your last couple of posts are quite revealing of your reasons for disliking philosophy. Existential_elevator hit the nail on the head when he said that there's a lot of assumed groundwork in dealing with these subjects. To make sense of the notion of qualia, one must understand...
by HadouKen24
Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:56 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

Can someone better educated then me tell me where in the Bible Christianity actually claims that God is omnipotent? It doesn't. At least, not directly. Most theologians believe that one can nonetheless infer omnipotence from the Biblical description of God. So if we assume an eternally omnipotent g...
by HadouKen24
Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:49 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

Yeesh. You've got bits and pieces of it there, but they're mixed in with bits that are slightly wrong, and you're missing pieces. As a result, the overall picture resembles epiphenomenalism, and might even be called an epiphenomenalist view, but is nonetheless a comically poor mischaracterization of...
by HadouKen24
Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:09 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

Replace teapot with quale and teapotia with qualia and you've got qualia theory. I don't see what's so strange about it? I can see there's been a breakdown in communication somewhere, but I can't tell whether the main problem is on my end or yours. "Quale" is not a meaningless word. It's ...
by HadouKen24
Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:23 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Carrying Guns
Replies: 273
Views: 25575

Re: Carrying Guns

I would not choose to live in a country where what someone, no matter how righteously, worked out 230 years ago was not questionable. I don't believe for a second that a true participative democracy can ever exist for a group the size of Canada or the US, but I do still believe that laws and legisl...
by HadouKen24
Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:02 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

What? People really believe in "qualia," things that are affected by the physical, real universe, but cannot effect change upon the universe? Epiphenomenalists claim that qualia cannot effect change upon the universe. There are other positions than epiphenomenalism which assert the existe...
by HadouKen24
Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:07 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Questions For The World
Replies: 2216
Views: 442736

Re: Questions For The World

This is probably a really stupid series of questions, but for Asian people (Korean, Chinese, Japanese, etc), or those familiar with the languages, how similar are they, really? As your standard, Asian-language-ignorant dude from the south, they all look pretty much the same but I know they're diffe...
by HadouKen24
Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:42 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Making the world a weirder place
Replies: 1920
Views: 170806

Re: Making the world a weirder place

Those don't come with a default English language Windows install. You have to manually install Asian language support in order to see them in any program, IIRC.

It might be a similar problem even if you're not using Windows.
by HadouKen24
Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:27 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

Do not seem to be? Listen, I can stick a probe in your head and damage some tissue and make you hungry all the time. Or I can make you never hungry. Or whatever. What you and I perceive seems to be very intimately related to the biology. What "seems" to be different about the two? I think...
by HadouKen24
Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:32 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

So it's meaningless? You have a mind but it doesn't do anything, and just to save our asses from being able to be proven wrong by a scientist, we're going to say there's some sort of vague "correlation" as you said earlier? Epiphenomenalism was not formulated in order to be safe from the ...
by HadouKen24
Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

And both are usually pretty flawed. In my experience, the extralogical premises are usually fine. It's the logic that's flawed. (In most of them. The argument from analogy works logically, for instance, but isn't very strong.) (The ontological argument, though it was confusing enough not to have be...
by HadouKen24
Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:53 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

Epiphenomanlism: You have a real mind, but, it's a meaningless abstraction upon the physical processes and no causal relationship exists between what you want to do and what you end up doing. Not exactly. That's somewhat close to some recent reformulations of epiphenomenalism, but not to the classi...
by HadouKen24
Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:35 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Paranoia and Game Theory
Replies: 56
Views: 4541

Re: Paranoia and Game Theory

The root of this little meme is almost certainly game theory. It actually goes back much further. Ayn Rand, for instance, wrote Anthem, her encomium to selfishness, in 1938, well before Nash's work. The Social Darwinism of the 19th century was a popular justification for selfishness, implying that ...
by HadouKen24
Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:15 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

I'm sorry, what? Epiphenomenalism appears to be functionalism covered in white out with dualism scratched in on top. What exactly is dualist about a theory that posits there is no true mind, merely the workings of the neurons, muscles, etc, basically, physics? There is a true mind in epiphenomenali...
by HadouKen24
Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:10 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

And anyway, the overall bent of these arguments, or at least every argument for or against the the existence of god that I've seen, fail simply because they're trying to use logic to resolve a fundamentally untestable claim. Logic itself is fundamentally untestable; it is impossible to test any cla...
by HadouKen24
Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:02 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

You said epiphenomenalism postulates that physical states determine mental states, but never vice versa. You then argued that if epiphenomenalism is true, it would be impossible to empirically distinguish between dualism and identity theory. My point was, if dualism and not-dualism are empirically ...
by HadouKen24
Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:51 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

Can you link or cite a source that you think does a good job defending the zombie argument? The versions I've seen seem pathetically easy to refute. Smart people clearly take this argument seriously, so it seems likely that I've only been exposed to the cartoon versions. I'd like to rectify that. A...
by HadouKen24
Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:52 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

Anyway, as there do appear to be several very intelligent people who have put a considerable amount of thought (ie more than me) into this subject, I would be interested to know where you would recommend starting for someone interested in learning more... Kant? Spinoza? Somewhere else? If you're pl...
by HadouKen24
Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:37 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

Poor philosophy education affects everything. And to boot, those classes that are called philosophy are bullshit Easy-A classes. They aren't teaching philosophy, and if they are, I'm frankly disgusted with the state of modern philosophy. Where did you take your philosophy classes? I ask because tha...
by HadouKen24
Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:43 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

As I understand it, Anpheus's objection is that he never got the kind of philosophy Russell is discussing. It is rare at a college that you will sit around a table discussing what the good life is, rather than discussing why capitalism is exploitative or what Modus Ponens is. The two kinds of philo...
by HadouKen24
Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

First, one true scotsman fallacy on whether or not they're truly theists. Only a thoughtful theist... blah. No, you're wrong there. There are thoughtful theists who believe in different ideas of omnipotence. Which is why I said "the majority of thoughtful theists." I've already mentioned ...
by HadouKen24
Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:41 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy in Education
Replies: 119
Views: 11380

Re: Philosophy in Education

I spent a good hour writing up an apology for philosophy against these kinds of charges, but then I remembered that Bertrand Russell wrote one way back in 1946 that does a much better job than I ever could. http://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/br-lay-philosophy.html I have a couple other comments for specif...
by HadouKen24
Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

No, I don't. In fact, I suspect the majority of theists have never thought about the rock paradox, but I don't think it's very fruitful to talk about what people outside this topic believe. When I say "the majority of theists," I meant to imply "the majority of thoughtful theists.&qu...
by HadouKen24
Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:59 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

That's all your interpretation of what omnipotent means, and I don't think anyone here agrees with you on those definitions. Whether that's the case or not (I don't think it is, but it doesn't look profitable to pursue that line of discussion), it's the interpretation used by almost all theists. If...
by HadouKen24
Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Alternative Medicine, Psuedoscience, etc.
Replies: 255
Views: 35758

Re: Alternative Medicine, Psuedoscience, etc.

Eh, I'm afraid that's somewhat misleading. There have been plenty of studies done as laid out above, with plenty of people involved. Again and again no benefit has been shown beyond placebo. I'm aware of no more than thirty out of the hundreds of homeopathy studies that used the judgments of actual...
by HadouKen24
Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:00 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

So it does have limits in what it cannot do. Only insofar as we cannot speak of it doing what is unintelligible. The inability to be limited is not itself a limitation. That it might seem to be is an accident of language. I would say that omnipotence is the absence of limitations, not immunity from...
by HadouKen24
Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:06 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

Since the being is limitless, it is not incapable of effecting this change. There is no contradiction because there is no overlap. At one moment, its power is limitless. It chooses, for whatever reason, that it wants to limit its power in some way, and since its power is limitless, this is a choice...
by HadouKen24
Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:10 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

No. But the instant that it chooses to limit itself then it is no longer, by definition, unlimited. So the real question is "Does a limitless being have the power to change its own nature?". It is not merely whether it has the power to change its own nature, but whether it can change its ...
by HadouKen24
Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:06 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

I am saying that it should be possible for a being who can do anything at all, by the definition of omnipotence, to limit itself. And I'm saying that, no, that's not possible. It's logically impossible. If it is not possible for an omnipotent being to limit itself, is it really omnipotent? Is being...
by HadouKen24
Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:50 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: God, as the idea of a supreme being
Replies: 65
Views: 6428

Re: God, as the idea of a supreme being

That sounds like a tremendous copout to me, to say that my argument is nonsense and should be dismissed. When I say that it is nonsense, I mean that it is dependent on a term which is, literally, non-sense. The term does not make sense. It is unintelligible. What you're proposing is the possible ex...

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