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by Mavketl
Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:35 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!

VectorZero wrote:There was some concern over my heavyhandedness re the insisting on votes/consensus or face a random kill. I stand by this. The game was dying at that point; there had been practically no actual analysis for several ingame days and people were relying heavily on role powers to guide the lynch. Even though some roles may have benefited from ongoing disorder, I would prefer to see the game continue in a reasonable timeframe than peter out to a disinterested draw.
My only issue with this policy is that it helps town a lot more than scum or independent players. They have no reason to contribute in that way a lot of times, and if town plays too badly to get a lynch through, why should there be repercussions for a random player? Why does town need your encouragement to do well? If they can't be bothered to get a lynch on, they don't deserve to win. Tough luck.

(I dislike the policy mostly for meta-reasons - I was technically independent in this game but I think I've been fairly pro-town. The you-must-lynch thing wasn't really in my disadvantage, but it still irks me that town gets 'help' when they mess up.)

VectorZero wrote:In retrospect, I wouldn't use the BG/Corrino win conditions again. Keeping someone alive when you don't know their identity sucks.
I think it would be doable if there was at least a doctor-power among the protectors or something. It doesn't have to be easy, but a doctor or a limited cop (BG can cop someone every night to find out if they are the KH) would make this a lot more interesting.

VectorZero wrote:Was it truly that difficult to comprehend how the factions were oriented?
It made sense to me. I think the A vs B & C vs D was cool, though it might've been nice if it would be more difficult to form two factions (Atreides & Fremen vs Harkonnen & Spice Addicts). That might not be doable with this flavour, but in another game with a similar set-up I would like to see roles that are A & C as well as A & D (and BC / BD). It would make for very paranoid mason/scum/whatever chat, though.
by Mavketl
Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:58 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!

Adacore wrote:I think the number of losses attained by a player is probably more relevant than the number of wins.
That has to suck if you are counting those two completely opposite win conditions (Atreides / Harkonnen) you have there. :P

Question for the mod: when referring to "Atreides bloodline" or "Harkonnen bloodline" (must survive), does that mean anyone from the faction, or anyone who is genetically a A/H?
by Mavketl
Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:32 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!

Adacore wrote:I'm sorry Dr Ug, mister k, Silknor! I would be curious to know if I would've had enough support from the non-Fremen had my timing been better with my claim? From what Brook said, he would've taken my side, but I was far less sure on whether I could sway mavketl, greenlover, e_e or weiyaoli.
I thought you were lying about being Spice Addict (being Harkonnen instead), but I wasn't sure if you were lying about the kill. Therefore, I decided not to be the one to risk your wrath by posting "No, you're lying, I won't unvote" and just decided to wait for the Fremen to finish the job. I probably would've lurked though an unvote request from your side as well.

Adacore wrote:Ah well, I don't feel too bad about my two losses.
You won the Atreides one, no?

I must say that "protect the Kwisatz Haderach" was pretty hard. Even after we knew who it was, we didn't know who to roleblock/voice-force to do things (or kill, for Silknor) to keep him alive. Much of the 'second' win conditions were that way, though, so I guess it's fairly balanced.
by Mavketl
Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:33 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

greenlover wrote:Wow, I am surprised I am the first one to remember this (or I am surprised at my horrible skimming abilities).

The mod said earlier that the game won't end until all winning conditions are resolved. E_E has a self confessed unresolved winning condition (his lyncher winning condition). So, logically, the game won't end until that winning condition has been resolved. So, the best strategy for those who want this game to be finished is to resolve E_E's winning condition, one way or the other. Does that makes any sense?
Huh. I remember it being all faction win conditions being resolved, not the independent ones.

*searches*
modpost wrote:The game will end when all conflicts are resolved. Thus, if House Cthulu has the win condition to eliminate House Puppyface, and House Umbrella to eliminate House Hepatitis, and vice versa, then the game is over when (Cthulu OR Puppyface) AND (Umbrella OR Hepatitis) are eliminated. Independent win conditions will, in general, not prolong the game.


e_e wrote:I'm anti- voting Adacore because I have copped him as Atreides, and it would seem bastardly for the mod to have someone change to Harkonnen.
Then again, it would make perfect sense for Alia to be a godfather (showing up as Atreides rather than Harkonnen) because if you look at her you see an Atreides. Unless you're her psychic brother who knows basically everything, then you might be able to see what's going on.
by Mavketl
Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:25 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

Right, that makes more sense. Sorry. :)
by Mavketl
Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:14 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

Adacore wrote:Are there any roles we would expect to be in the game that have not been claimed? Particularly anti-town ones? If we're considering the possibility of a false-claim by DL, what would he be covering up?
The only roles I had expected to see but haven't are Ramallo and Duncan Idaho (I didn't miss one of them dying, did I?), and they're not scum.

weiyaoli wrote:...CHOAM = Spice Addict...
If this is strictly true in this game, then Leto could be a Spice Addict. He is in the Landsraad which partly controls CHOAM's board of directors. His character is not 'spice addict' or 'greedy with spice' or whatever though.

weiyaoli wrote:Wait what? How does that make sense BN?

According to wiki, that's just what BG do to become the mother thingy
I don't understand what you are referring to. Is it "Spice Addict = bad"? Because then yes, it's 'bad' in the sense that it's the anti-Fremen win condition.
by Mavketl
Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:36 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

Nobody has thought of one conceivable reason for Jessica to be Harkonnen, except for "because Alia is possessed (and Jessica is on her side no matter what)". So why would we lynch her? Either e_e's cop is paranoid for Jessica (which makes so much sense flavourwise), or Alia is the source of this problem. In both cases our first action should not be to lynch Jessica.

Why are people suggesting this? And on top of that, to lynch e_e if Jessica turns up dead and not Harkonnen? Just whyyyy would we want to do that? If Jessica is dead, we have 0 reason to want Hawatt dead, as far as I'm concerned - same way we want Flying_Cookie to live now.

As for cop targets, Dark Loink seems like a good choice, or maybe BigNose.
by Mavketl
Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:58 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

existential_elevator wrote:We could follow my cop and see if that works. Worst case it's paranoid and I get an extra win, and I have a shiny new cop result in the morning; best case there is some reason why Lady J is Harkonnen.
It only makes sense for Jessica to be Harkonnen if it is to protect Alia. In which case lynching Alia should fix it. Alternatively, she's not Harkonnen, and it's still not a good idea to lynch her.

existential_elevator wrote:Could there still be the possibility of a false-claim there, too?
I suppose. To be honest, the Leto claim seems the most unexpected - but he did know the Fremen win condition before anybody else posted it, so he should be Fremen (supporter?) at least.

greenlover and me confirm each other - plus you copped both my alignments, so we're not falseclaiming. Jessica and Alia are not falseclaiming (wei is BG because of the Voice ability, etc). Brooklynxman is not falseclaiming (he sent BigNose a gift to prove his inventorness which is Gurney in flavour). Flying_Cookie is not falseclaiming because it would be really stupid to publically try to kill Paul Atreides unless you're Jamis. e_e is not falseclaiming because it would also be really stupid to say you want Jessica Atreides dead in public unless you're Hawatt - though if you would've false-copped them as Harkonnen it'd be the only viable claim out of that mess. But you've been a superuseful (and truthful) cop, so that would be extremely weird.

I think we had someone confirm BigNose as Stilgar (or Fremen at least), but I can't remember.

If the Alia thing doesn't work, I'd be willing to look at Dark Loink, I guess? That would also be a cop target for tonight, then.
by Mavketl
Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:47 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

Dark Loink wrote:And I find it extremely amusing that AMT won in the mods first flavor post.
She had to get three right, no? What with me not being Lady Jessica, I don't think she aced it right away.

Dark Loink wrote:Now to look over all the roleclaims while we find which ones to lynch-someone is lying about something, or the game would be over.
Okay, listing time again. We're looking for Harkonnen or Spice Addicts (H / SA).

I'm going to assume that there is no role that is both Fremen and Spice Addict (direct conflict) or Fremen and Harkonnen (there is no such character).


BigNose (Stilgar) is Fremen: town.
Flying_Cookie (Jamis) is Fremen: town.
e_e is Hawatt, Atreides and Jessica Lyncher
(flavourwise, there is the tiniest chance of Hawatt getting a Harkonnen alignment, but she's been our prime Harkonnen hunter most of the game, so that would be really weird)
Dark Loink (Leto) claims Atreides and Fremen supporter. Makes sense to me, he shouldn't be H or SA anyway.
Brooklynxman is Gurney Halleck, Atreides and survivor. No reason to lie, H or SA makes no sense here either.

greenlover and myself are Fenring (independent, keep each other alive), and both have an already lost win condition: BG (keep Paul Atreides alive) and Corrino supporter (keep emperor alive). I suppose we could be lying, but it makes no sense for us to be H or SA flavourwise, and we wouldn't have used the kill for town's benefit if we were.

weiyaoli is Lady Jessica. BG and Atreides.
Adacore is Alia. Claims Atreides and Baron killer. This claim makes sense, as the start, anyway.

Both of them have admitted that there were hints about possession. We have nobody else who could logically be H or SA.
by Mavketl
Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:00 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

BigNose wrote:
Mavketl wrote:
BigNose wrote:Nuff sed!
I feel like you're trying to make some sort of point, but I don't know what it is.

Yes.
I was trying to say that F_C claimed Jamis in a small post, as opposed to the huge posts that others claim in.
Yeah, that only works if you ignore the post in which he originally claimed, shortly after NaR was forced to identify himself. :P

Anyway, what would be the significance of a short post? I still don't get what the actual point of that post of yours is.
by Mavketl
Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:19 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

BigNose wrote:Nuff sed!
I feel like you're trying to make some sort of point, but I don't know what it is.
by Mavketl
Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:13 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

In addition to that I think "protect your children" would not be a ridiculous win condition for Jessica.
by Mavketl
Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:13 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

existential_elevator wrote:However: I have confirmed Adacore as Atreides.
When? It could have happened after you copped Adacore, or not show up on cops - in the books, nobody knows for a long time. In the end, Paul figures it out, but only after a good long while.

existential_elevator wrote:As has Wei.
weiyaoli: do you know that one of Alia's win conditions is Atreides for sure, or did you assume from the whole "she's Alia and my daughter and she would never lie to me"?
by Mavketl
Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:56 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

The game hasn't ended, which means there must be Harkonnen and/or Spice Addicts among us. I don't think any of the townie-claimed people are Spice Addicts (most of them are Fremen, and the ones that aren't have another win condition that makes much more sense than 'Spice Addict').

Therefore,
Vote: Adacore
by Mavketl
Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:45 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

Brooklynxman wrote:This is a long slow process, with no basis in the first half of the first book
I'm pretty sure that's not entirely true. The actual 'complete possession' only happens later, but the 'risk' is there from the start (Jessica talks about that with someone very early on). Maybe whether she got possessed or not was based on a game mechanic rather than flavour, much like Irulan marrying Harkonnen instead of Atreides.
by Mavketl
Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:49 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

weiyaoli wrote:Adacore is Atreides, he is Alia who I gave birth to on D4
Ehm, so, what was he before D4? Alright, answered by the ninja.

I believe that weiyaoli is Lady Jessica.

I also believe e_e, though. She didn't have to claim Hawatt (though I have to admit I suspected it - cop ability makes sense for a mentat) or lyncher, it only makes her way more suspicious.

Therefore, I think something tricky is going on. Flavour time:
Baron Harkonnen is one of Alia's ancestors. She assassinates him at the age of... four or five. After that, he 'haunts' her constantly (Alia's ancestors are 'inside her head' because of the weird ritual thing when Jessica was pregnant with her). In the end, she succumbs and he practically takes her over, including his personality and weird sexual kinks. She manages to 'free' her mind long enough to suicide by jumping out of a high window.

I'm tempted to vote for Adacore, since he seems to be the most obvious reason that the Harkonnen are still among us. I imagine one of weiyaoli's win conditions since D3 is to protect Alia, hence the Harkonnen.
by Mavketl
Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:46 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

Hey, I'm not saying they're definitely a cult no more thinking required, it's just a possibility. I guess it depends on what weiyaoli has to say.

Also, I don't mind people butchering my name since it's weird but I think you should be able to handle a 3-letter abbreviation. Just call me Mav. :P
(The first few times this Mak thing happened I genuinely went "wuhhh? who's that they're talking to?".)
by Mavketl
Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:51 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

Alternative explanation for people having alignments that do not make sense: Harkonnen = cult.
(We worked our way around Irulan being Harkonnen even though that doesn't fit with flavour - and now weiyaoli? Too much of a coincidence.)
by Mavketl
Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:32 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

existential_elevator wrote:What is a Harkonnen BG and what do you mean by the voice?
Right, sorry.

BG = Bene Gesserit. weiyaoli has an ability to force people to do things, which fits with "the Voice", a certain way of speaking that most people find very hard to disobey. It's a Bene Gesserit technique, though a few other people (like Paul) have been trained to use it as well. This is why most people have been assuming he's Bene Gesserit and town(ish).

Maybe it's something else than the Voice, but I can't really imagine what. Maybe weiyaoli can clarify things.
by Mavketl
Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:15 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

existential_elevator wrote:.... guys, I copped weiyoli and he is Harkonnen. So.

vote: Wei
This is weird. Can anyone think of a way this makes sense with his Voice? Or of another Harkonnen character, for that matter? Are there Harkonnen BG? (Doesn't the Baron hate them with a passion?)

I'll await weiyaoli's response before voting.

(e_e: it's not that I don't believe you're a cop, I know you are - it's just that you might also be a lyncher or something else we want to be cautious with.)
by Mavketl
Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:31 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D6: Break, Eject! Eject, Eject!

I don't want to out anybody or anything, but it has been so blatantly obvious to me that I can't imagine people haven't caught on by now. Also, there is no logical lyncher/killer for this character, so I don't think it'll be too harmful.

Hey Brook, are you Gurney Halleck by any chance?

weiyaoli's ninja:

As per my previous post, why do you count Adacore as 'confirmed' anything? Also, Dark Loink has semi-proven to be Fremen, which makes him very likely town. You have also conveniently left yourself out, which is fine with me because of the whole BG thing, but I figured it needed pointing out before someone else sees it as a reason to suspect you or something.

Yes, I am Lady Margot Fenring (I kind of hinted at it in my "she's my favourite character!" bit in response to e_e's copping a Fenring which I was pretty sure was me). Unsurprisingly, I'm protecting Count Fenring. Not that he really needed protecting so far, with that one-shot kill of his. We've decided to use it to off the claimed lyncher, since the two people we suspected most were mister k and P_E and mister k seems headed for a lynch anyway. We want to win this with town (I think the kill helped show that), because it simply gives us the best odds (and because I like playing town a lot more, anyway).

I think I'll wait with the claiming on who Count Fenring is. I think it's probably a good idea for him to claim, but it should be his decision. (Not that it isn't rather obvious by now... :P )
by Mavketl
Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:56 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D6: Break, Eject! Eject, Eject!

Right, so I was going over my list of players and their roles/claims again, and one thing stood out to me.

Adacore claimed Atreides in this post. I don't think he claimed his role or second alignment, and I don't think anyone has confirmed him town in any way. (If I overlooked something, please do point it out.)

So, just saying, that's a claim with about zero back-up, and we should not consider it true without further information.

Also, hey, Count Fenring has a kill. Does it make sense to assume it's a one-time kill, since we haven't seen one before?
by Mavketl
Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:54 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D6: Break, Eject! Eject, Eject!

VectorZero wrote:If there is another default, I will modkill someone at random.
Wait, what?

I get that inactivity is not nice, but why would you punish players for disagreeing with each other? It's not like loads of people didn't vote. You're basically saying that you would've preferred it if we just kept on voting for Dark Loink even though we were convinced he was not scum.

This leads to scenarios in which I might have to vote for people I think might be of my own faction in order to not risk being randomly killed myself, rather than vote for someone I believe to be scum. Just... why?
by Mavketl
Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:45 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

D'oh, I was working from wrong vote totals. Anyhow, Brooklynxman has that whole "I sent BigNose something to prove that I am town" thing going on that makes me hesitant to vote for him.
by Mavketl
Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:31 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

By process of elimination I figured I want to vote for either Brooklynxman, mister k or PhoenixEnigma.

In the spirit of "try to not lynch Dark Loink":
Vote: mister k
by Mavketl
Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:23 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

Unvote: Dark Loink

Post with new vote will follow shortly after.
by Mavketl
Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:15 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

BigNose wrote:To remove those who wants the spice aka Spice Addicts but gives no further indication as to their alignment.
... Spice Addict is an alignment.

You're welcome.
by Mavketl
Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:41 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

Since you're claiming Atreides/Fremen... I think it would be wise to add a name to that, so we can stop lynching you (barring counter claims).

(Is the Fremen win condition really eliminating all players who are "greedy with the spice"? FC? Anyone? It seems rather vague. Also not all that townie, depending on your definition of 'greedy'.)
by Mavketl
Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:04 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

Right, I managed to miss that vote-or-die thing. I guess I am here to vote. I'm not going to do that self-vote thing, though, how does that even make sense? Especially for Dark Loink.

Vote: Dark Loink

Brooklynxman wrote:I know he'll die anyway...
Assuming you're referring to that forced nightkill... what's the point of lynching him if that is the case? It's even possible (though unlikely) that we still have two scum left, and this way the other person can't use the nightkill on a townie tonight.
by Mavketl
Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:45 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

weiyaoli wrote:@Mav, my power isn't quite that good I don't think. It says that I can publically command someone to perform any action they are capable of once per day. I'm not sure if that would stretch to making people roleclaim/alignment claim.
I would suggest you try to argue that "tell me your alignment" is also an action that they are capable of, just not their specific role action. :P

Anyway, what you are doing now is basically trying to kill a random person with a kill power. Which kind of makes you no better than a random person with a kill power. (Once again, assuming that there are townies with kill powers.)


Re: modpost.
I will vote before the deadline. Right now, I could vote for Dark Loink but it would be a lot more "meh, why not?" than "I'm convinced he's scum", and I don't want to vote on that if there's a chance I can find something better. Or if his defense will convince me one way or another.
by Mavketl
Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:14 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

weiyaoli wrote:Also hopefully this does what I want it to do:

Make misterk use kill on misterk

Nobody suggested any targets so I'm going with the only person to reply.
Actually, about that. Is it conceivable that there are townies with a kill power? (Yueh could have one for Baron Harkonnen, for instance.) And if yes, is this really a good idea? I'd rather have you forcing people to roleclaim or claim win conditions or something, then we can judge if we want them dead or not afterwards.

mister k wrote:(Mavketl)-claimed Bene gessirit by wei. Claims that her win condition has failed. Considering that Lady Jessica's second child was the one they were interested in (um, is that right?) I suspect we may not be getting the full truth there. Wei hasn't revealed her other condition, but apparently its pro-town. Votes amer, and reasonable justification.
It was e_e (the cop), not weiyaoli.

As for the full truth: my Bene Gesserit win condition was the survival of the Kwisatz Haderach. However, if I'd secretly be protecting Alia also, then I don't think you have reason to complain.

My other win condition is the survival of someone else. I'm all about keeping people alive, apparently. I don't think town would benefit from knowing the identity of the person I'm supposed to protect, yet.

And since the more scumlike people seem to be the ones who are killing off random people most of the time (whereas townies would be aiming for a specific player), it is in my best interest to eliminate them.

mister k wrote:Also, someone should really try to walk WITH rythmn.
Are you volunteering? :P
(I still have the urge to call you Xander every once in a while, by the way.)


People I believe to be town and/or harmless:
BigNose (Stilgar)
Flying_Cookie (Jamis)
e_e (cop)
Adacore (probably, Atreides)
weiyaoli (probably, Bene Gesserit)

Roles that are still at large/unclaimed:
The Last Harkonnen (Piter de Vries, he's in D1 flavour)
Thufir Hawatt (probably one pro-town and one anti-town win condition against Jessica, hard to tell)
Gurney Halleck (inventor?)
Duncan Idaho
Lady Jessica
Someone(s) from House Fenring ('house' exists of two people, so one or two, likely two)
Reverend Mother Ramallo (BG but different, Fremen)
Leto Atreides? (probably not)
Doctor Yueh? (Atreides traitor, anti-Harkonnen)
Shadout Mapes? (Fremen)
Esmar Tuek? (smuggler)

With 11 players left, that should be a near-complete picture. I'm working on a reread but this thread is quite long and it's taking time. If I find anything interesting, I'll inform y'all immediately. So far, I've only been re-annoyed by BigNose, but I believe his Stilgar claim, so that's not really relevant right now.


Hey, anyone care to tell us what the Atreides win condition actually is? "Eliminate the Harkonnen" seems kind of too murderous for them. Same for Fremen, actually (minus the 'too murderous', because few things are too murderous for the Fremen once they've been provoked). Any hints? :P
by Mavketl
Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:10 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

PhoenixEnigma wrote:OK, who took my* package? Am I really blind enough to have missed that?
Sounds to me like Gurney Halleck is an inventor and those are his inventions being delivered to him, or something.

Adacore wrote:Mavketl has claimed Bene Gesserit
Actually, e_e claimed it for me. :P

Adacore wrote:Anyone with a Bene Gesserit alignment seems to have already lost that
Do we actually know that same alignment == same win condition?
by Mavketl
Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:27 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

I was kind of waiting for flavour too. Anyway, I'll be gone until Sunday afternoon-ish, see y'all then.

I highly doubt that ameretrifle was telling the truth about being the last Harkonnen, by the way. Why would she say that (if it were true)? It seems more likely that there is another one (or more). Have we seen Piter de Vries yet?
by Mavketl
Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:46 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

mister k wrote:..but since mav wasn't secret hidden scum, thats less useful.
I'M SORRY.

(I'll stop the silly posting now. Next post will have actual content.)
by Mavketl
Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:32 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

Flying_Cookie wrote:Arggggh...
Well, thats one win condition down the drain.
I guess we are no longer mortal enemies.

*shakes FC's hand*

:P
by Mavketl
Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:26 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

existential_elevator wrote:Well, to the annoying person who made me target Mav, thus giving us no new info, she is also 'Bene Gesserit'. Whatever that means.
That's the win condition that makes me want to protect the Kwisatz Haderach.

(Yay, one loss. :evil: )
by Mavketl
Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:30 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D4: Walk Without Rhythm

Not A Raptor wrote:I'm with this guy. Else, I'd have voted for AMT when it was first obvious she was Irulan. There are Harkonnen to ferret out!
I think the issue is that we have a cop claiming she is Harkonnen.

But if you suspect any other Harkonnen, please share. :)
by Mavketl
Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:54 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D4: Walk Without Rhythm

e_e: do you get a random alignment, or the one that is listed first, or something? Since you'll be copping me twice, will you definitely have both, or twice random (so a 1/4 chance to get the same one twice)? The win condition I've already claimed earlier in this thread (protecting the KH) is my first listed condition, if that is any help.

(It's not too relevant in my case, but for future interpretation of cop results, this could be an interesting experiment.)
by Mavketl
Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:08 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D4: Walk Without Rhythm

simplified*

WHY CAN'T I TYPE.
by Mavketl
Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:07 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90958

Re: Dune D4: Walk Without Rhythm

I'll take the risk of appearing to bias things to my advantage to attempt a simplied summary of events.

existential_elevator is a cop, who sees one alignment (not both).
e_e copped amt as Harkonnen.
Harkonnen are bad.
amt doesn't even really try to defend herself.

Hence the votes for amt.

Somewhere during that, weiyaoli used a "force people's actions" kind of thing which was kind of stupid because it wastes e_e's cop ability for N5 without offering actual proof of anything, except that if you take e_e's word for it, you'll know that I'm town, which is really not something that we needed to be openly confirmed right now, since I wasn't under any suspicion.

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