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by blowfishhootie
Wed May 28, 2014 12:03 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

gmalivuk wrote:
blowfishhootie wrote:
WilliamLehnsherr wrote:I've read through this thread and think I can succinctly sum up the last two or so pages:

Blowfishhootie: No true incel is not a misogynist.
Exactly.

Wow, you just bit that whole fallacious bullet, didn't you?


If it was satire, it was pretty poor satire.
by blowfishhootie
Wed May 28, 2014 11:48 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

It took a lot of staring into the abyss, but I did finally find non-misogynist people who identify as incel at http://yourenotalone.info/forum/index.php. Sample quote: I agree with this. "Involuntary" is of course meant to distinguish from people who abstain from sex for religious or othe...
by blowfishhootie
Wed May 28, 2014 10:57 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

I've read through this thread and think I can succinctly sum up the last two or so pages: Blowfishhootie: No true incel is not a misogynist. Exactly. I am certain there are people out there who identify as "incels" who do not hold what I would consider to be misogynistic views. That doesn...
by blowfishhootie
Wed May 28, 2014 8:42 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

And, if they were reasonable, they also wouldn't identify as incels. In the same way a person who doesn't hate black people wouldn't identify as a racist. 'Involuntarily celibate' is not to 'misogyny' as 'racist' is to 'racism'. ' Misogynist ' is to 'misogyny' as 'racist' is to 'racism'. It might b...
by blowfishhootie
Wed May 28, 2014 8:40 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

So you never heard the term before Saturday, have no evidence to support your claim that it's not a misogynist concept, are not arguing about "incels," and ... what? You are apparently having a different discussion from everyone else on this forum. This is a dodge, so I suspect you have n...
by blowfishhootie
Wed May 28, 2014 7:46 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

blowfishhootie, Plenty of people will not reasonably be able to obtain sex for the reasons that EMTP outlined to me, quoted three posts above. For a totally uncontroversial example, consider a homeless man with severe schizophrenia. There are plenty of homeless people (and they are disproportionate...
by blowfishhootie
Wed May 28, 2014 7:44 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

I will as soon as I'm given an example of it outside the context of this thread. Is that really fair? I can give you examples -- real-life examples, not made-up ones -- of Republicans who think women belong in the kitchen. And despite knowing that not all Republicans believe that, it's actually qui...
by blowfishhootie
Wed May 28, 2014 6:21 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

blowfishhootie , I think the relevant question here is: Do you think it's possible for someone to identify as 'incel' and in no way whatsoever blame, hate, or otherwise malign women for their plight? And if so, would you then accept that such a person is identifying as 'incel' in a way that isn't i...
by blowfishhootie
Wed May 28, 2014 5:47 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

Involuntary by definition means it is somebody's will other than your own. How is that not blaming someone else? And if you are acknowledging that it's not "involuntary," then why on earth would you use that term? Please feel free to link to one of these "incel" forums that are ...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 10:38 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

so, a paraplegic who says he's involuntarily not a ballet dancer is blaming someone else? No, this person is misusing the word involuntarily, just like "incels" are. Involuntarily would refer is something you do against your will. This hypothetical paraplegic is not being forced to do som...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 10:27 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

The thing is, that's hard to believe. What, that some men can't find a sexual partner without paying for the privilege? It's harder than it seems. There are millions of women, but not where you are. How many women do you know, how many are possible partners, and how do you approach them? The dance ...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 10:08 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

I don't believe anybody who has what I would consider to be a healthy view on sex and relationships would self-identify as "involuntarily celibate" as a means to bemoan their lack of love and affection. I agree that going decades without romance and/or sex would be terrible and could driv...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 9:51 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

The problem is not that relationships are hard. The problem is that the use of the word "involuntary" - and indeed the entire concept of "incel" - implies that men are entitled to sex with women, and that the only reason a man could not be getting sex is because women are selfis...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 9:26 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

The thing is, that's hard to believe. What, that some men can't find a sexual partner without paying for the privilege? It's harder than it seems. There are millions of women, but not where you are. How many women do you know, how many are possible partners, and how do you approach them? The dance ...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 9:21 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

it's interesting that any form of sexual identity must be met with utmost respect, but bashing of people who involuntarily have no sex at all is apparently good fun. Who do you see here bashing people who involuntarily have no sex at all? Or are you speaking generally -- because generally, I see pe...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 9:19 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

'Voluntary' simply distinguishes people who are celibate for religious or other personal reasons (asexual, etc.) from people who would love to engage in a romantic or sexual relationship but whose unattractiveness and/or psychological problems prevent them from doing so. We are very much aware that...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 8:22 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

Social skills and appearance are heavily influenced by things you have no control over, but motivation and work are also a big factor. It's not all one or the other, unless people have sexual dysfunction or are only super lazy. I don't think either word really fits. To build on that, there are plen...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 8:12 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

'Voluntary' simply distinguishes people who are celibate for religious or other personal reasons (asexual, etc.) from people who would love to engage in a romantic or sexual relationship but whose unattractiveness and/or psychological problems prevent them from doing so. I think everyone here is ca...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 7:46 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

To paraphrase you: If you do something unintentionally, then someone else is to blame. This is a real head-scratcher of an interpretation. I guess the simplest response is to point out your flawed substitution of "unintentionally" for "involuntarily." Those words actually mean d...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 7:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

(And "incel" means "involuntary celibacy", a fancy made-up name for people who made a whole identity out of not getting the sex they feel they should be getting.) How many incels have you actually talked to? Incels, or whatever term you prefer, are people with severe romantic re...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 6:47 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

Therefore, expecting his plan to be coherent and logical is maybe asking a bit much. He had clearly left logic behind. He was a broken person. I can't figure out what it is you're arguing. He was crazy, so there's no reason to learn anything from the violent misogyny this guy displays? It seems to ...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 4:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14935
Views: 2348608

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Anti-science is leftist? :| Well, a more accurate statement is that some leftists are anti-science. Some are quite science minded, and of course, the right has it's own issues of hating on science(creationism is one easy example). In the US, I think generally the right wing is more anti-science tha...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 4:51 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

Is there any indication of why he felt motivated to kill his three male room-mates as well? All the news has focused on his hatred for women, but why kill his male room-mates? Did they have girlfriends and therefore he was jealous? *shrug* Far as I can tell, his logic was questionable, and he also ...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 9:49 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

Yes an important continuation of my description of the attitude of "incels" is this: ... adult men confusing their loneliness and their lack of sex as the same thing; they seem convinced that they can only stop being lonely if they find someone to have sex with them, and thus that the wome...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 9:10 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

I have a difficult time believing there are very many people who cannot possibly find a consensual sex partner, if that is what is really important to them. There are probably some, but I would assume most of the men in question have never had sex because they believe they are entitled not only to ...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 7:48 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

I have a difficult time believing there are very many people who cannot possibly find a consensual sex partner, if that is what is really important to them. There are probably some, but I would assume most of the men in question have never had sex because they believe they are entitled not only to s...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 6:58 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14935
Views: 2348608

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Anti-science is leftist? :| Well, a more accurate statement is that some leftists are anti-science. Some are quite science minded, and of course, the right has it's own issues of hating on science(creationism is one easy example). In the US, I think generally the right wing is more anti-science tha...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 27, 2014 3:47 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

So "Male Cats and dogs" = "Male Cat and Male Dog", right? Not "Male Cat Dog". It follows that: "Male Rapist & Apologist" = "Male Rapist" and "Male Apologist"??? You sure it's not "Male Rapist" and "Male Rape Apologists&q...
by blowfishhootie
Mon May 26, 2014 8:23 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Isla Vista shooting
Replies: 416
Views: 44758

Re: Isla Vista shooting

Sure, the equivalent would be a murder spree by a board member who wasn't banned, who perhaps even fit in, or at least didn't stand out. That would bother me, justified or not. I can't speak for all the boards he was on, but a number that I've seen either called him out for being a serial killer in...
by blowfishhootie
Sat May 24, 2014 7:48 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1357: "Free Speech"
Replies: 1346
Views: 159691

Re: 1357: "Free Speech"

Posting a comment in a 32-page thread without reading it assumes either that your thoughts are so original and insightful that nobody has thought to express the same in those 32 pages, or that you are posting it in such a way that people are going to suddenly think about those thoughts in new ways. ...
by blowfishhootie
Thu May 22, 2014 7:04 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1357: "Free Speech"
Replies: 1346
Views: 159691

Re: 1357: "Free Speech"

It's almost as if you too failed to actually read through any of the arguments that have already been hashed and rehashed in this thread a dozen times. I'd be surprised if anyone had mentioned EME, since the last post before mine was made before that news was even announced. But if you have any pos...
by blowfishhootie
Wed May 21, 2014 6:10 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1370: "President"
Replies: 68
Views: 16812

Re: 1370: "President"

I feel like most of the people who don't get this comic have simply never seen any of the bullshit luddite whining aging Baby Boomers (and hypocritical interner-savvy hipsters) love to engage in regarding Millennials and their addiction to technology and "entitlement" and everything else ...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 20, 2014 12:30 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1370: "President"
Replies: 68
Views: 16812

Re: 1370: "President"

As an example, there is Randall Monroe's generally misunderstood (by users of this forum anyway) " be nice to people who don't know something that you do " I'm curious as to why you think people are misunderstanding that one. So, I wrote a really long reply to this, then realized that it'...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 20, 2014 11:21 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1370: "President"
Replies: 68
Views: 16812

Re: 1370: "President"

I'm more concerned that 2040 will still be largely inhabited by prude-ass hypocrates (or as we learned from xkcd prude ass-hypocrates) than that there are "embarassing" photos of large amount of people at 2040 - that would be the real problem. The world will only be full of hypocrites in ...
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 20, 2014 11:16 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1370: "President"
Replies: 68
Views: 16812

Re: 1370: "President"

speising wrote:but, anyway, which guy are you talking about?


My mistake. In the 30 seconds between seeing the comic and typing that comment, I apparently forgot the details. I thought the person decrying the Internet Generation was a man.
by blowfishhootie
Tue May 20, 2014 10:03 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1370: "President"
Replies: 68
Views: 16812

Re: 1370: "President"

The girl in this comic is an asshole, and I think her argument is a fallacy. Just because every generation is afraid of the one after it doesn't mean every one of those fears is invalid. Just because change is inevitable doesn't mean it is automatically good. Every civilization no matter how big or ...
by blowfishhootie
Sat May 17, 2014 10:26 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1369: TMI
Replies: 51
Views: 16927

Re: 1369: TMI

I'm quite certain the quote you responded to was not referencing toilet paper with the line "toilet products."
by blowfishhootie
Mon May 05, 2014 2:58 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1357: "Free Speech"
Replies: 1346
Views: 159691

Re: 1357: "Free Speech"

History has shown that every society is doomed to fail and fall.
by blowfishhootie
Thu May 01, 2014 4:27 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1357: "Free Speech"
Replies: 1346
Views: 159691

Re: 1357: "Free Speech"

Someone wondered if Sterling was still actually owner of the Clippers. At this moment in time he is, but a vote is forthcoming among the 29 other owners to force him to sell. My impression is that it is a formality -it requires three-quarters vote, but it will likely be unanimous or close to it. Thi...
by blowfishhootie
Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:44 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1357: "Free Speech"
Replies: 1346
Views: 159691

Re: 1357: "Free Speech"

I've not seen anyone claim that any consumer making any purchasing decision for any reason was wrong in any way. Then you haven't been paying very close attention. In addition to the constant comments that the boycott was immoral, someone about 25 pages ago actually tried to suggest that not buying...

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