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by SpazzyMcGee
Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: BDSM and Self-Harm
Replies: 21
Views: 9443

Re: BDSM and Self-Harm

I might have agreed a few months ago that BDSM is somewhat pathological, but then I came across deviantART artist who creates a series of comic strips centering around BDSM. The comics are pretty funny and did a good job communicating the reason why people like BDSM, but if you are curious I'll warn...
by SpazzyMcGee
Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:17 pm UTC
Forum: Religious Wars
Topic: Covenant Vs Star Trek
Replies: 5
Views: 7762

Re: Covenant Vs Star Trek

I would say the Federation would win against the Covenant simply because they can attain greater power output. The Covenant as well as UNSC use fusion as their primary source of power while Star Trek vessels are powered by anti-matter. The Covenant would be in a similar situation the UNSC was when t...
by SpazzyMcGee
Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:52 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Transhumanism
Replies: 145
Views: 18197

Re: Transhumanism

I'm a little confused on what it means to be a transhumanist. I have little to no doubt it will become increasingly practical to integrate technology with the human body, and because it is practical I believe it will eventually happen no matter the amount of cultural reluctance. What I don't do is m...
by SpazzyMcGee
Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:32 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Strong AI and simulations
Replies: 11
Views: 3304

Re: Strong AI and simulations

On the issue of "escaping", I think a simple way to imagine what it would be like for an AI smarter than any human getting out from under the clutches of its fleshy creators would be by imagining oneself locked up in a high security prison run by dimwits. In such a situation, given enough ...
by SpazzyMcGee
Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:12 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 593378

Re: Religion: The Deuce

But people ask those questions all the time and measurably find them important. You can tell them that they're not important, but I don't think that will get far. Why did the wind cause that rock to tip? No matter how many people ask that question the question will remain circular . You cannot use ...
by SpazzyMcGee
Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:01 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen

This is irrelevant in a discussion about Ozymandias' motivations. If you're a moral pragmatist, then why he did what he did has absolutely no relation on whether or not what he did was right. From a utilitarian's point of view, whether or not he's a narcissist has no impact on whether or not it was...
by SpazzyMcGee
Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:47 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 593378

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I'm not sure I understand your point. At first it sounded like you were taking issue with my stance that science can't answer everything, but then you seem to agree. Poorly defined questions are hard to scientifically study. It sounds like we both agree on that point, so I'm not sure what you're ge...
by SpazzyMcGee
Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:44 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Does God Exist?
Replies: 1390
Views: 123904

Re: Does God Exist?

Before we can debate the question "Does God exist?" we all have to agree about "Can a God exist?" Before we can do even that we have to define God. :wink: My motto for these sorts of threads is the same as my motto for dream heists... 8) We have to go deeper. BWWWWAAAAAHHHHH!
by SpazzyMcGee
Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen

Why do you go so far with it as to say he had to have arranged all that? I just said he wanted to be tracked down. There's a difference between that and planning everyone's involvement out in full detail. I think the piece about him loosing to the comedian before was to give him motive for wanting ...
by SpazzyMcGee
Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 593378

Re: Religion: The Deuce

@ guenther It seems to me you are assuming that science can't answer every question because you don't like the answers it provides or because of its the lack of answers for poorly defined questions like "what is the meaning of life". Science tells us what life is and "meaning" i...
by SpazzyMcGee
Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen

Ozzy wanted to be the hero of the world. He wanted to do it on his own as much as possible. I think this plays into his motivations for several actions. Whenever possible, he did things on his own. Yes, he used indirect methods to kill nightowl etc but he can't be everywhere at once. The comedian w...
by SpazzyMcGee
Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen

But as I've said before, I don't see that it was the only plan. As you've now conceded, Ozy is basically a walking ball of hubris and that implies to me that, were he not, he might come up with a better plan. One that potentially involved Dr Manhattan, rather than potentially antagonising him, whic...
by SpazzyMcGee
Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen

USELESS COUNTERARGUMENTS: 1) Why not just shoot him, poison him, or blow him up, 2) Why was he willing to involve secondary hitmen in his other plots but not this one, 3) If this was about penance, why do we have the iconic image of him covered in blood watching Comedian plummet, starin...
by SpazzyMcGee
Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:26 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 593378

Re: Religion: The Deuce

However, unsurprisingly I don't agree with the training wheels analogy. I'm far from convinced that we actually know how to progress past religion. My point was that religion helped civilization grow, to include more and more people. We are now all part of a global civilization. The bonds we all sh...
by SpazzyMcGee
Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:22 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 593378

Re: Religion: The Deuce

...perhaps we should look at it more like training wheels... And yet the automobile employs a four-wheel design. (I.e: Even if unnecessary in a particular context, the principle may still have general merit.) :?: You are obviously looking too deeply into the analogy, humorously so. You say "th...
by SpazzyMcGee
Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:10 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen

Ozymandias has his own line of action figurines. Ozymandias kills the Comedian with his bare hands (rather than having an assassin do it, or just shooting or poisoning the guy) in a way that clearly demonstrates that he's become the superior fighter since their last match. Ozymandias lets the only ...
by SpazzyMcGee
Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:32 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 593378

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I don't want to derail anyone's two and fro, but I have a religion/history oriented discussion topic in mind and there isn't really any other place I can post it. :? First off, I'm an atheist. I say this to make sure no one mistakes the argument to come as me trying to be an apologist. In fact, I ma...
by SpazzyMcGee
Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:49 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen

You seem to be the only obstacle in between me and convincing the entire world of moral pragmatism :twisted:, so I'll focus on your arguments mosc. I should have complemented you on your ability to cut right to the heart of the discussion. You are right that people prefer inaction because they know ...
by SpazzyMcGee
Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:43 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen

Ozymandis tells the story of how he was inspired by the leaders of old, how he was obsessed with the notion of saving the world. But more importantly, he was obsessed with saving the world HIMSELF. Its not actually explicit that he is the smartest man in the world (this is mentioned in an interview...
by SpazzyMcGee
Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:09 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The goal of humanity
Replies: 112
Views: 15187

Re: The goal of humanity

I agree that the continuation of the species is the only objective goal, because all other goals require existence to accomplish. It's the root of all goals. Well... no. For instance, the abolishment of suffering could be achieved precisely by extinction. Nucleating a bubble of vacuum decay would c...
by SpazzyMcGee
Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:40 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen *Spoiler Alert*

Of course, this isn't exactly a fair analogy. A better one would be that the train has a fail safe that may be malfunctioning (metaphorically our will as a species to survive) and you have the choice to divert the train. The possible outcomes are: if you do divert, one out of ten dies for sure. if ...
by SpazzyMcGee
Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:59 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The goal of humanity
Replies: 112
Views: 15187

Re: The goal of humanity

Continuation of humanity is our only collective goal, just as it is with every species of life. Everything else is politics. What SHOULD our goals be? Eh. Continuation of the species seems sufficiently noble for us animals, to me. Anything more is pure gravy. That's why I find movies like Idiocracy...
by SpazzyMcGee
Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:52 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen

Seems to me there is an extremely simple solution in the Watchmen universe for preventing the destruction of the human race: Dr Manhattan simply disables all the nuclear weapons. What's the reason in the comic for him not doing this? It is stated that Dr. Manhattan could not stop every one of the U...
by SpazzyMcGee
Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:56 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is Soylent Green Logically Supportable?
Replies: 43
Views: 9456

Re: Is Soylent Green Logically Supportable?

My memory of the movie is vague too, but I think people were encouraged to kill themselves to relieve the population pressure, with a special ritual. Well if that is the case then I could see why it would be socially unacceptable, or at least more so. Then again it all serves the same purpose in th...
by SpazzyMcGee
Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:41 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is Soylent Green Logically Supportable?
Replies: 43
Views: 9456

Re: Is Soylent Green Logically Supportable?

I haven't seen the entire Soylent Green movie nor have I read the book, but I saw the end and I knew the premise. I knew the directors/writer wanted me to feel shock when the protagonist found out Soylent Green was made out of dead humans, but thought to myself "so what"? The humans used w...
by SpazzyMcGee
Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:32 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen

"Never compromise, even in the face of the apocalypse". It just strikes me as so right. Letting your moral standards slide down when the going gets tough doesn't make them much of a standard. His end was the crux of the film for me. Thats what I came out of the theater and sat and smiled ...
by SpazzyMcGee
Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:59 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A New World Order?
Replies: 13
Views: 2695

Re: A New World Order?

I don't believe one compare European colonialism to modern day international unions. The various past European empires only existed to benefit the home country while organizations like the EU or this proposed Asian union exist to benefit the whole. Colonialism failed because the colonized were getti...
by SpazzyMcGee
Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen

Humanity is nothing without its values, yet human values cannot exist without humans to hold them. Humanity is thus held in the paradoxical state of needing an 'inhuman' (or superhuman!) being who is able to act without humanity in order to preserve humanity. Your inhuman vs superhuman thing remind...
by SpazzyMcGee
Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:28 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen *Spoiler Alert*

I don't see that mistake Vaniver. The only thing threatening humanity were those nuclear stockpiles. Dissarmament would save humanity forever. Ozy likely knew that the nations of the world would become allies against the aliens/Dr. M and began focusing on combating the new enemy rather than maintai...
by SpazzyMcGee
Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen *Spoiler Alert*

Also, does anyone at all agree with Rorshach's perspective? I have heard of people that can't stand for Watchmen to be morally ambiguous so they construct the regular good vs. evil scenario and it always has Ozymandias as the bad guy and Rorshach as the good guy.
by SpazzyMcGee
Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:03 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen *Spoiler Alert*

As for Ozy's plan, I'm afraid I agree with it. It's like that old train track mental morality experiment, with a twist. Imagine a group of 10 people a track who don't notice a train coming toward them. You cannot talk to them, but you can redirect the train to only hit one of the 10 people. Do you d...
by SpazzyMcGee
Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Re: Morality in Watchmen *Spoiler Alert*

Also, you say every 'superhero' in watchmen is horribly flawed, but I don't know if that applies to Dr. Manhattan (is he a superhero, or a 'superhero'?). I consider him flawed in that he has little to no volition: he chooses the career his father sets out for him, he is asked out by his first girlf...
by SpazzyMcGee
Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:43 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality in Watchmen
Replies: 103
Views: 20191

Morality in Watchmen

Character Synposis: ⋅  Ozymandias kills tens of millions of innocent people in order to unite the world and save humanity from an otherwise unnavoidable act of utter nuclear self-desctruction. ⋅  Rorschach does not care about humanity, only justice, and is willing to allow human...
by SpazzyMcGee
Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Moral Principles
Replies: 5
Views: 1328

Re: Moral Principles

JBJ wrote:
SpazzyMcGee wrote:Two things:

1) I think this thread exists already, but I couldn't find it.

I believe you were looking for this?
Codify your system of morality


Well done sir.
by SpazzyMcGee
Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Moral Principles
Replies: 5
Views: 1328

Re: Moral Principles

Two things: 1) I think this thread exists already, but I couldn't find it. 2) I don't like the idea of morality. It is useless when for anything oustide but sociology. I have goals and I weigh how my actions will affect those goals. Many times these goals are relatively short term like passing a tes...
by SpazzyMcGee
Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:10 am UTC
Forum: Religious Wars
Topic: Halo vs Star Wars
Replies: 173
Views: 88602

Re: Halo vs Star Wars

I have never heard of a Jedi using a stop-bullets-trick like Neo thus I believe emptying a clip of smg ammo at a Jedi would most certainly turn him into a swiss cheese. Has happened. A couple of times infact I believe. When and where? Was it just one or two projectiles or was it a dozens of them? I...
by SpazzyMcGee
Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:02 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Climate Gate: A Discussion
Replies: 136
Views: 18577

Re: Climate Gate: A Discussion

Admiral Valdemar wrote:But Gore knows all about climate and represents all AGW proponents, dontchaknow? If he fucks up, then that means we all do, and the science is wrong. Obviously.

Well said, I stand corrected. :mrgreen:
by SpazzyMcGee
Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:46 pm UTC
Forum: Religious Wars
Topic: Halo vs Star Wars
Replies: 173
Views: 88602

Re: Halo vs Star Wars

Now, what if would measure units against units. Jedi would likely destroy the Spartans, simply because of the Force. However, Marines and ODSTs would wipe out stormtroopers and other soldiers. I think the real question would be that of how many Jedi there are compared to Spartans. JEDI vs SPARTAN R...
by SpazzyMcGee
Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:44 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Climate Gate: A Discussion
Replies: 136
Views: 18577

Re: Climate Gate: A Discussion


For the love of Pete don't bring HIM into this.
by SpazzyMcGee
Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:09 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A Question of Evidence: Aliens vs. God
Replies: 85
Views: 11604

Re: A Question of Evidence: Aliens vs. God

In other words, if you don't believe in aliens, you're not involved in the scientific debate about aliens. I don't think that is true. One could hole the posisition that abiogenesis is likely a very rare occurence, so unlikely that it may even rival astronomical scales. If one is defining "ali...

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