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by JonScholar
Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:47 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Found to be legal by who exactly? Are they more credible in matters of international law than the ICRC?
by JonScholar
Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:41 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

If the civilian population has, through voting records and actual violent actions demonstrated itself to be in support of a militant group, yes, it is acceptable to treat the population as a potential hostile Wow, well that's definitely an irreconcilable difference in our world views. That being sa...
by JonScholar
Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:20 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Aye, keeping Hamas' power and funding down by keeping economic prosperity in their region down. It's a fairly soft tactic. Minimal violence all around. Rather than gamble with higher violence potentials in the hope of effecting change, instead preserve a low-violence status quo. Conservative yet ef...
by JonScholar
Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:12 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

It has already been established that Israel's blockade is a deliberate attack on the Gazan economy. Israel has admitted as much to the US embassy behind closed doors, as was revealed during the wikileaks exposure of the US's diplomatic cables. Israel told U.S. officials in 2008 it would keep Gaza's ...
by JonScholar
Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:57 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Maybe you should actually read on the subject sourmilk. It's true that there is highly limited access to lawyers. However, as has been noted in this thread before, Palestinians can be held for days in interrogation without access to them, potentially being subjected to torture and other coercive mea...
by JonScholar
Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:49 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

The goalposts, as mentioned on page 58, were about whether trying Palestinians in military court is a breach of the Geneva Conventions. Since failing to show that, Jon's point now shifted to showing whether Israel's *specific* military court is in breach. This wasn't about whether Israel's military...
by JonScholar
Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:46 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

The entire issue is one of jurisdiction. Military courts do not have jurisdiction to try civilians. Israeli civilian law does not have jurisdiction over Palestinians in the West Bank. In fact, Israeli law doesn't even apply in the Palestinian areas of the West Bank. What rights someone has under th...
by JonScholar
Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:35 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Handing the prisoners over to the Palestinian Authority to be tried could theoretically work as well. Either way there are minimum standards that need to be met when detaining civilians, and the current system does not meet them.
by JonScholar
Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:13 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

And which international treaties would those be? There are several, the most important one is UNSC Resolution 242 , which calls for an Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories. If we recognize the West Bank as occupied territory, which I think we probably should, and if we recognize it as o...
by JonScholar
Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:42 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Do Israeli civilian courts have jurisdiction over all the people in the West Bank? From the perspective of international law, the Israelis have no jurisdiction, military, civilian, or otherwise, and in fact are obligated to withdraw entirely from the occupied territories in compliance with internat...
by JonScholar
Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:04 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

BattleMoose wrote:Also, do Israeli civilian courts have jurisdiction over people living in the West Bank?


Yes, Israeli settlers living within the West Bank are tried under Israeli penal law, not under military law.
by JonScholar
Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:08 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Occupy Wall Street - Spreading. Check your town.
Replies: 2500
Views: 238583

Re: Occupy Wall Street - Spreading. Check your town.

To be fair to Schoen, his argument is different than what you put forth. He argues that OWS Protesters have as an identity that is different than the "typical American". No I don't see that as his argument at all. He's quite clearly trying to prove that what exists of the OWS platform isn...
by JonScholar
Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:33 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Nothing much new has been written on it. The military court system in the occupied territories has largely stayed the same since its implementation in 1967. Amnesty briefly mentions it in their annual report. For online resources, a small portion of a book on the matter is available online. In terms...
by JonScholar
Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:19 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Occupy Wall Street - Spreading. Check your town.
Replies: 2500
Views: 238583

Re: Occupy Wall Street - Spreading. Check your town.

I don't get why Schoen didn't just come out and call them dirty hippies. It seems like he did everything but. This is definitely the highlight of the piece Thus Occupy Wall Street is a group of engaged progressives who are disillusioned with the capitalist system and have a distinct activist orienta...
by JonScholar
Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:25 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

What Prisoners of War? Israel does not classify its prisoners as POWs nor does Israel provide its prisoners with the rights POWs are entitled to, by default they must then be considered civilians who are not eligible for trial under any military court, let alone the Israeli military court system whi...
by JonScholar
Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:16 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

That's a rather ridiculous interpretation of the law, especially since I'm sure there's enough international law dealing with that particular subject matter. Link to the full ruling for context? It's the legal ruling of the International Court of Justice, and it stands regardless of whether you bel...
by JonScholar
Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:55 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Furthermore, according to previous rulings by the International Court of Justice , Common Article 3 is customary international law, and thus applies to international conflicts as well. Para. 218: Article 3 which is common to all four Geneva Conventions of 12August 1949 defines certain rules to be ap...
by JonScholar
Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:35 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

I'd rather pay attention where it's due, which may or may not include those bolded parts. The relevant article is in reference to "Persons taking no active part in the hostilities...". Yes that is what it says. Persons taking no **active** part in hostilities. It goes on to specifically s...
by JonScholar
Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:18 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Okay, so this only applies to those not taking active part in hostilities. Many of those jailed were, so I assume this claim has nothing to do with them? Read again. Slowly and carefully with special attention given to the bolded sections. Moreover -- how does it define "regularly constituted ...
by JonScholar
Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:51 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Mind if I get a citation on that claim of illegality? Seems like a BS excuse to nail Israel with something. Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions: In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to th...
by JonScholar
Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:18 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Yurell you're operating under the flawed assumption that sourmilk actually wants to understand anything, and isn't just jerking himself off like he's been doing for the last 8 billion pages of this thread. Legitimate attempts to explain something, like my post above are met with responses along the ...
by JonScholar
Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:45 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

The Jews did not emigrate to land that the Arabs were living on and farming on except when they bought it. It's not that there wasn't a formalized concept of ownership, it's that the Jews emigrated to land that the Arabs weren't using, didn't own, and had no sovereignty over. They exploited the abs...
by JonScholar
Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:09 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

The Jews did not emigrate to land the Arabs lived on. They did not emigrate to land the Arabs owned. They did not emigrate to land the Arabs had sovereignty over. How, then, did Jewish immigration depend on the approval of the Arabs? You are so unbelievably dense. Of course the Arabs owned that lan...
by JonScholar
Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:45 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

If you are geniunely interested in the subject you can find plenty of information on BTSelem's website or from other human rights organizations like Amnesty International. Defense for Children international has an entire report on minors in Israeli custody being subjected to torture. Some links: htt...
by JonScholar
Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:23 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Yes, it's totally absurd that Hamas would request that Israel stop kidnapping, imprisoning, and torturing Palestinian civilians. This post had objectionable content.
by JonScholar
Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:11 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Violence spiked because the invasion gave the insurgents an opportunity, not a "reason". The US invasion totally dismantled the existing regime leaving a gigantic power vacuum, allowing the various factions that had up into that point been kept under Saddam's thumb to vie for power. The Ba...
by JonScholar
Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:46 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

First: terrorists that kill civilians are responsible for their own actions. Unless their actions were an appropriate or necessary response to the US invasion (which they absolutely were not), then the responsibility of those killed by terrorists rests solely on the terrorists. Even if the US provo...
by JonScholar
Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:02 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

First of all, we ousted Saddam Hussein following a brutal invasion that by most counts killed 100,000 people. That's just in the initial invasion. The invasion itself wasn't much following devastating economic sanctions placed on Iraq that according to UNICEF killed over 500,000 Iraqi children and p...
by JonScholar
Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:39 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

The invasion of France and the invasions of Iraq/Afghanistan are totally incomparable. In France the US was driving out Germany, an aggressor and occupying force. In the cases of Iraq/Afghanistan the US is the aggressor and occupier. You could make a better comparison to the occupation of France if ...
by JonScholar
Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:26 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

The irony is that the two times the USA did get rid of oppressive dictators the same people trashed them for doing so. Which dictators? Since you're being ambiguous I'll guess you're talking about Iraq and Afghanistan. If that's the case, it's pretty offensive that you think the citizens of those c...
by JonScholar
Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:09 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Well that makes even less sense. If the resolutions don't pass, how can they say anything about the UN in terms of its bias as an institution?

Either way, I want to see where he got the 95% figure.
by JonScholar
Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:28 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Izawwlgood wrote:Something like 95% of all UN resolutions are raised against Israel

I'm 95% sure you made that up
by JonScholar
Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

So it was actually an unsubstantive personal attack? You're right, that makes sense.
by JonScholar
Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:24 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

yoni45 wrote:Really? You actually couldn't interpret what he said?

It really wasn't particularly complicated -- you must actually just not be very bright...

Enlighten me oh wise one
by JonScholar
Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:10 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
Replies: 6262
Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

Thanks for the incoherent babble, as always Izawlgood. Are you saying that Denis MacEoin is the equivalent of a right wing conspiracy theorist? That's the best I can interpret from your nonsense

JonScholar, your contributions, they are so very nuanced.

Irony
by JonScholar
Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:00 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
Replies: 6262
Views: 554820

Re: Israel/Palestine discussion

If there had been a single Jewish state in the 1930's (which, sadly, there was not), don't you think Adolf Hitler would have decided to boycott it? Right, the BDS movement is like Hitler. The "pro"-Israel movement grows more hysterical by the day. A sign that it's in its death throes? We ...
by JonScholar
Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:25 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
Replies: 6262
Views: 554820

Re: UN report into flotilla incident released

Well, Gaza technically has an embargo as well. An embargo is a restriction on a country's or territory's commercial activity, a blockade is the same just implying military enforcement. You're making a meaningless distinction, both are subject to the same humanitarian standards. That is, they can't c...
by JonScholar
Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:03 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
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Views: 554820

Re: UN report into flotilla incident released

But the arms embargo against Libya isn't a blockade. It's just a refusal on part of the embargoers to sell arms to Libya. The Libyan regime has still gotten arms from other sources. Not seeing your point here. I don't know all the specifics of how the embargo is enforced. On paper, member states ar...
by JonScholar
Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:17 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
Replies: 6262
Views: 554820

Re: UN report into flotilla incident released

And what's the difference between an arms embargo and a blockade against a civilian population? When has the former been carried out while excluding the latter, especially during wartime? The difference is one deliberately targets a civilian population by blocking essential supplies, while the othe...
by JonScholar
Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:48 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israel/Palestine discussion
Replies: 6262
Views: 554820

Re: UN report into flotilla incident released

By this "standard", any and all blockades are illegal, because they prevent the normal and proper economic functioning of the blockaded area by stopping their trade. Any blockade against a civilian population is illegal, yes. That doesn't mean all blockades are illegal. Arms embargoes are...

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