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by n7a7v7i
Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:29 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is it right to kill?
Replies: 147
Views: 16058

Re: Is it right to kill?

The thing is, for a long time I thought that so long as the action of killing saved more lives than the number it took away it would be ok, if the people being saved were noticably moral people and the people being killed weren't. But then I thought abotu quality of life and how much each group con...
by n7a7v7i
Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:52 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: "off of"
Replies: 80
Views: 13374

Re: "off of"

And occasionally, these patterns get quite fuzzy, to the point where we simply cannot categorize a sentence as being either English or Swahili. If there were really rules , this wouldn't happen. 1) There are random collections of sounds which are neither English nor Swahili, this is true. I don't g...
by n7a7v7i
Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:48 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: The Line Between Improvement and Degradation
Replies: 47
Views: 5507

Re: The Line Between Improvement and Degradation

Think of the word very . If I had to make a guess at what the word originally meant, I would guess something along the lines of truthfully, really , or literally . Now it never means such a thing, and instead emphasizes an adjective or adverb. It actually meant true , real , or genuine . As in, &qu...
by n7a7v7i
Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:39 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Too / As well
Replies: 12
Views: 1797

Re: Too / As well

The other day I was at a friend's house with some other friends and I asked the host if he had anything to drink. He said yes, and on his way to get me something he asked another friend "Would you like something too?" and his brother walked in and said "Would you like something as we...
by n7a7v7i
Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:06 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is Ignorance a Requirement of Good Science?
Replies: 18
Views: 3215

Re: Is Ignorance a Requirement of Good Science?

This is a simple question of semantics, along the lines of an unstoppable force/immovable object problem. Extend your scenario so that the hypothetical scientist knows all results for ALL systems. He is omniscient; he possesses all knowledge. "Science," being a process of obtaining knowle...
by n7a7v7i
Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:58 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Rejecting disease treatment for aesthetic purposes.
Replies: 46
Views: 6130

Re: Rejecting disease treatment for aesthetic purposes.

qetzal: I understand what you're saying, but don't you find it odd that just to prove that you are who you are, you would have to give up your life? I understand your argument, but a life is a life... I didn't really exclusively say it, but the treatment has almost a 100% success rate in people at ...
by n7a7v7i
Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:56 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: The Line Between Improvement and Degradation
Replies: 47
Views: 5507

Re: The Line Between Improvement and Degradation

All changes in language are objectively neutral. What about the situation when a word is not just invented or adapted from some other word, but entirely misused? Consider the example of people saying things like, "I literally died laughing watching that movie." Now, it's apparent that the...
by n7a7v7i
Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:55 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: The Line Between Improvement and Degradation
Replies: 47
Views: 5507

Re: The Line Between Improvement and Degradation

@The Galapagos Islands: Okay, if you think there is a degradation of language, but there can also be an improvement, answer me this: Colloquial German has evolved a (somewhat ridiculously sounding, I admit) progressive tense. Would you say that things like "die Kacke ist am Dampfen" (inte...
by n7a7v7i
Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:44 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: "off of"
Replies: 80
Views: 13374

Re: "off of"

Depends on what you mean by anarchy. If you mean it in the sense that there are no rules coming down from above, then no, it's not fail. It's how languages work. However, if you mean in the sense that there are no descriptive rules whatsoever delineating how English works compared to how, for examp...
by n7a7v7i
Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:02 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: "off of"
Replies: 80
Views: 13374

Re: "off of"

gmalivuk wrote:Have you read anything I've written? They are rules because our brains process them as rules.

You're falling into a stupid false dichotomy of thinking that the only viable alternative to nothing-goes is anything-goes.


Linguistic anarchy = fail?
by n7a7v7i
Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:48 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Is Language Bound By The Incompleteness Theorem?
Replies: 41
Views: 7887

Re: Is Language Bound By The Incompleteness Theorem?

You may try to establish a genre system for all of your music, but there will always be one band or album that either breaks the genre classifications, or remains just outside their reach. You will never find a perfect method of sorting my files or classifying personalities or winning at Go, becaus...
by n7a7v7i
Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:34 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Vwl Rfrm
Replies: 53
Views: 5993

Re: Vwl Rfrm

To write English a bit like Hebrew/Arabic T's pssbl t hndrsthnd, f y wrt lng vwls, ysng 'h' t wrt /a:/, 'y' t wrt /i:/ and 'w' t wrt /o:/ nd /u:/. Y wslw nd t wrt sm shrt vwls yn, nd thn tht cryhts hmbgwty btwyn h bnch f wrds. Yf yr gng t wrt Nglsh n h sstm lk ths, yw hlsw mght s wll chng th cnsnnt...
by n7a7v7i
Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:31 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: "off of"
Replies: 80
Views: 13374

Re: "off of"

Wrong is still wrong 1000 years later and if it achieves 100% saturation. By that logic, everything you have ever said to anyone anywhere was wrong, because you're not speaking Anglo-Saxon. Which was itself entirely wrong because it wasn't whatever language it came from 1000 years earlier, and so o...
by n7a7v7i
Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:52 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Vwl Rfrm
Replies: 53
Views: 5993

Re: Vwl Rfrm

gmalivuk wrote:Yep. Just like how pop is one sillable.


But that's really awkward...

I can kinda understand "wow" as a single syllable.

But what if you use two semivowels? Like.... "yoo-ee". Or /juj/, I guess. I don't think I could possibly imagine that as one syllable.
by n7a7v7i
Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:38 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: "off of"
Replies: 80
Views: 13374

Re: "off of"

Of course, there's not really spoken ambiguity in the other version of that sentence, either, because your intonation will be different depending on whether Uncle Jack is one name, or whether jack off is a single verb. (For one thing, "off" gets more stress if the speaker interprets it as...
by n7a7v7i
Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:03 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Vwl Rfrm
Replies: 53
Views: 5993

Re: Vwl Rfrm

weewooweewoo is four syllables, with the consonant /w/ breaking them up. yo-yo is two, with /j/ beginning both of them. They're both semivowels, but they can still break syllables up and therefore differ significantly from pure vowels. Ah... That actually makes sense. So then is "wow" one...
by n7a7v7i
Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:57 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Fuck
Replies: 39
Views: 5727

Re: Fuck

I've actually noticed that a lot of slang, especially neologisms, in English seems to be very versatile, even without modifying the word at all. Look at "pimp" (or even "pimpmobile"). Sure, you have, "I spoke to the pimp about a ho." But there's also "That's so pi...
by n7a7v7i
Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:51 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: "off of"
Replies: 80
Views: 13374

Re: "off of"

Slightly off-topic: When you people keep posting "go in the house," it makes me think of "the dog goes in the house," indicating a little mess to be cleaned up. "The dog goes into the house" means he's entering, not defecating. "Off of" sounds completely natu...
by n7a7v7i
Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:02 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: "Believe" to imply doubt
Replies: 22
Views: 3133

Re: "Believe" to imply doubt

gmalivuk wrote:This thread is not about solipsism.


All threads inevitably lead to solipsism.

Mods are part of a huge conspiracy to keep discussions away from this subject.

Didn't ya get the memo? =D
by n7a7v7i
Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:57 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Vwl Rfrm
Replies: 53
Views: 5993

Re: Vwl Rfrm

Dude, you're the one who says English doesn't have or need rules. Well, one of the rules is, "words are spelled with vowels". Still think there's no point or need for them? Oh, c'mon. You and I both know that this has nothing to do with rules. Using vowels to spell English is simply a cul...
by n7a7v7i
Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:29 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Fuck
Replies: 39
Views: 5727

Re: Fuck

Sometimes the censoring that goes on in America just about makes me want to scream this word more than any other instance. We are so afraid of offending people that we can't even use it in humor many places.... Fuck forbid we are unclean even for a minute. Hell, I've been banned for accidentally po...
by n7a7v7i
Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:24 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Hopefully
Replies: 11
Views: 2187

Re: Hopefully

"entirely standard". Perhaps standard, but proper? No. The usage of "hopefully" to mean "I hope" is ambiguous at best. I shall quote from Strunk and White's Elements of Style: "To say "Hopefully I'll leave on the noon plane" is to talk nonsense. Do you m...
by n7a7v7i
Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:29 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Vwl Rfrm
Replies: 53
Views: 5993

Re: Vwl Rfrm

dsgr. tch. I stared at this post for a good three minutes... I absolutely need to confirm this or my head will explode. He said "I disagree", and you said "touché", right ? Jesus-fuckin'-christ, kids. Sure, vowels can be a real bitch sometimes, but the amount of brainpower it ta...
by n7a7v7i
Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:05 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Spelling reform
Replies: 131
Views: 19640

Re: Spelling reform

The line between vowel, consonant, and neither has obviously become so blurred that we'll never really agree. There you go again, with your completely ridiculous "blurred lines mean no lines at all!" argument. To which I will respond, once again, that liminal cases do not negate the exist...
by n7a7v7i
Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:28 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: 90% of communication is non-verbal
Replies: 29
Views: 4466

Re: 90% of communication is non-verbal

Yes, and sooner or later the inevitable happens when 100% of communication is non-verbal, and we just stand and look at each other for five minutes proceeded by dinner, a movie, and second base. AH... I am once again reminded of Valentine's Day. Actually, I think most of the mechanics of love are s...
by n7a7v7i
Thu May 21, 2009 1:20 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Talk Teh Lolcat (and other Creoles and Pidgin)
Replies: 46
Views: 4758

Re: Talk Teh Lolcat (and other Creoles and Pidgin)

if I'm being forced to attend school by the state, they simply have no right to tell me what community and what language conventions I succeed or fail to abide by. If they have a right to force you to get an education in the first place, they have a right to set the standards of that education. You...
by n7a7v7i
Wed May 20, 2009 11:40 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Fuck
Replies: 39
Views: 5727

Re: Fuck

Bobber wrote:I heard that Internet is actually an acronym for Fuck And Shit Were Not And Are Not Acronyms.


I heard a rumor that "Bobber" is an acronym for Arrogant Shithead Pwns Noobs On Zee Interwebs.
by n7a7v7i
Wed May 20, 2009 11:38 pm UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Question for a friend...
Replies: 12
Views: 2067

Re: Question for a friend...

So my friend has this boil, and... no, just kidding. An ESL learner I know has asked me this, and I'm a bit hard pressed to answer. What are the differences between: 1) If he were to come, what would we do? 2) If he should come, what will we do? 3) If he should come, what would we do? To me, the fi...
by n7a7v7i
Thu May 14, 2009 2:41 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Versatility of Swears
Replies: 37
Views: 5029

Re: Versatility of Swears

Uhh...I'm pretty sure "balls" in this sense isn't "pelotas" in Spanish. Just FYI. Wow, it says that? Hahahahaha, that's hilarious! Yeah yeah, I know it's cojones. Not in Mejico. It's just "huevos", because "eggs" are testicles in Latin America, not "ball...
by n7a7v7i
Thu May 14, 2009 2:36 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: English from an Outside Perspective
Replies: 82
Views: 8270

Re: English from an Outside Perspective

About the same as it sounded to hocl, probably: like bad English spoken by someone who clearly "doesn't understand grammar" or somesuch. Hm, I don't see why that would be the case. That view is just a cultural feature of non-AAVE American English speaker culture. It would be interesting t...
by n7a7v7i
Thu May 14, 2009 2:28 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Spelling reform
Replies: 131
Views: 19640

Re: Spelling reform

Whether you consider it a semivowel or a consonant, the letter y can be as much a non-vowel as the letters w and r and l. Sure, sometimes it's a syllable all to itself, but many other times it's put between syllables to differentiate them, which in my mind at least makes it not a vowel. (The fact t...
by n7a7v7i
Thu May 14, 2009 2:24 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Nature and languages
Replies: 80
Views: 6776

Re: Nature and languages

I do think that the copula "to be", and the indefinite article "a" are quite vestigial indeed. It's only vestigial once you can't make distinctions in meaning by including it or leaving it out. This is not the case with the English indefinite article: There was a cat in the driv...
by n7a7v7i
Thu May 14, 2009 2:21 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Talk Teh Lolcat (and other Creoles and Pidgin)
Replies: 46
Views: 4758

Re: Talk Teh Lolcat (and other Creoles and Pidgin)

I find it highly unfair that I can be marked as "wrong" for the way I write or speak. Whatever the teachers themselves might think, you can treat "wrong" marks as simply indicating where your writing or speech differs from what a person in your intended audience would find most ...
by n7a7v7i
Thu May 14, 2009 2:19 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Fuck
Replies: 39
Views: 5727

Re: Fuck

And isn't there the possibility with the widespread knowledge of the word fuck and its meaning in English, that words that sound like it are more likely to acquire that meaning? Actually, I think that's more or less what happened to fokken (to breed), nowadays being used by rappers in phrases as 'f...
by n7a7v7i
Fri May 08, 2009 3:25 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Spelling reform
Replies: 131
Views: 19640

Re: Spelling reform

Fryie wrote:Or, more precisely, a semivowel.

BTW


I really don't see how it's any different from a simple "ee".
by n7a7v7i
Fri May 08, 2009 2:38 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: "off of"
Replies: 80
Views: 13374

Re: "off of"

d33p wrote:And then He ascended off of the floor.


Ha... I really just can't wait until they start printing out Bibles in AAVE.
by n7a7v7i
Fri May 08, 2009 2:24 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Talk Teh Lolcat (and other Creoles and Pidgin)
Replies: 46
Views: 4758

Re: Talk Teh Lolcat (and other Creoles and Pidgin)

I personally feel that for free speech to really exist, you cannot get in any legal trouble for anything you say. I absolutely refuse to be yelled at by any authority figure for a fuck you , or a eat shit ever again. You can't get in legal trouble for those, but at the same time it's completely rea...
by n7a7v7i
Fri May 08, 2009 2:20 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Fuck
Replies: 39
Views: 5727

Re: Fuck

For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, of course. Nah . It's just a word derived from another, older word, itself from yet another old word (from the German ficken, to strike, apparently). I will personally disembowel the next person who doesn't know the difference between German and Proto-Germanic. Also, ...
by n7a7v7i
Fri May 08, 2009 2:19 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: Spelling reform
Replies: 131
Views: 19640

Re: Spelling reform

gmalivuk wrote:
Bobber wrote:Hey, y is totally a vowel.

Not in the word "you" it isn't.


Wait, then what IS the "y" in "you"?
by n7a7v7i
Fri May 08, 2009 2:15 am UTC
Forum: Language/Linguistics
Topic: English from an Outside Perspective
Replies: 82
Views: 8270

Re: English from an Outside Perspective

SAE is clearly better than AAVE. That is simply indisputable by anyone not drinking the Ivory Tower postmodern linguistic Kool-Aid. You can argue all you want about how people who say that AAVE speakers sound like a bunch of uneducated hoodlums that haven't mastered basic English skills that even f...

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