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by Arete
Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:44 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Next wikileaks release to be about 7X as large as Iraq Logs
Replies: 180
Views: 15630

Re: Next wikileaks release to be about 7X as large as Iraq L

Or the US government didn't manufacture all those "tearing down the statues of Saddam" films? This is news to me. When you say “manufacture” do you mean “owned and operated the cameras” or “gave out goodies so people would be smiling and cheering” or “brought in fake statues that weren’t ...
by Arete
Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:32 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: TSA starts molesting people who refuse naked scanners
Replies: 714
Views: 57841

Re: TSA starts molesting people who refuse naked scanners

Don't be an ass. It's OK to be outraged by BOTH. No. It ain't. If you were crying / protesting effectively when your democracy (sorry... Republic) got sold down the river, I'd care. At least the Hippies with flowers in their hair actually went against those rifles and lost. Current American scene? ...
by Arete
Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:27 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Next wikileaks release to be about 7X as large as Iraq Logs
Replies: 180
Views: 15630

Re: Next wikileaks release to be about 7X as large as Iraq L

Right. You're all working in some kind of bizzarro land where this was all news? Where wikileaks is like "shocking" and "Oh me yarm new"? Like.. WMDs existed? Or.. the CIA didn't train Osama Bin Ladin? Or the US government didn't fly the current Iraqi leader in from exile? Or the...
by Arete
Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:06 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: North Korea Fires Upon Inhabited South Korean Island
Replies: 273
Views: 21985

Re: North Korea Fires Upon Inhabited South Korean Island

Anyone who mentioned "nuclear weapons" in this thread needs to 'get a fucking clue'. OPLAN for NK/SK theatre Obviously, NK has threatened unacceptable civilian casualties ("collateral damage" for the gung-ho) using non-nuclear weaponry to the three major civilian centres within a...
by Arete
Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:00 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Man sues restaurant after eating entire artichoke
Replies: 80
Views: 8110

Re: Man sues restaurant after eating entire artichoke

Darwin's Law.


OH, right. Forgot that's an optional course in your culture. (Pun intended for the stupids)
by Arete
Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:53 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: TSA starts molesting people who refuse naked scanners
Replies: 714
Views: 57841

Re: TSA starts molesting people who refuse naked scanners

Cry me a fucking river.

Black / white - maybe blue - scan of non-sexualised nudity.

Vrs.

5-4 ruling that allows unfettered lobbying within government




Seriously.


Get. A. Clue. Before. The. Whinge.
by Arete
Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:30 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Woman jailed for becoming pregnant, then dies.
Replies: 44
Views: 6156

Re: Woman jailed for becoming pregnant, then dies.

Some points: 1) Condoms. Or temporary intra-musculature (18 months normally) contraceptives. If you're going to put stupid legal ties on sexual relations, then give her a decent chance. Hell, the US is the only 'civilised' country which is paying drug users to get sterilised. Oh. Wait. No. Legally y...
by Arete
Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:28 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Largest Arms Deal In U.S. History
Replies: 37
Views: 4512

Re: Largest Arms Deal In U.S. History

Israel got them for free!


Arming Saudi Arabia is rather like military air traffic controls with no airforce or training pilots to be used in civil wars.


Bottom line: its the economy, stupid.
by Arete
Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:06 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0810: "Constructive"
Replies: 130
Views: 45440

Re: 0810: "Constructive"

I actually think this is Randal's commentary on the current state of the forums. Once a pretty interesting place, busy, intellectually "above average" and worth a read. Now dead, diseased, moderated into oblivion and boring as hell. Oh, and like the Moon - hitting a 51 gallon quotient of I...
by Arete
Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:59 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Girl throwing puppies in river...
Replies: 97
Views: 11595

Re: Girl throwing puppies in river...

Is there really any evidence that hurting animals and hurting humans are more than vaguely related? Hurting animals cafn be just as much a sign of not seeing animals as close to humans. Yes. Lots. There's a correlation between an axiomatic obsession with transition states (Life/Death) and Psychopat...
by Arete
Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:37 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Two teenagers murder girl
Replies: 68
Views: 7022

Re: Two teenagers murder girl

Right, because obviously attempts at rehabilitation should never be tried and instead police officers should just carry revolvers and summarily execute people at the scene. Now that's justice motherfuckers! I AM THE LAW Yes. This discussion did need a 2000AD reference as it is so fucking dumb and o...
by Arete
Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:49 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: XKCD makes National Newspaper
Replies: 6
Views: 2129

XKCD makes National Newspaper

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/munroes-map-for-social-networksrsquo-lost-souls-2111356.html As Mr Munroe (it is unclear if this is his real name or an internet pseudonym) explains: "This updated map uses size to represent to represent total social activity in a c...
by Arete
Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:32 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Rare Earth Mineral Embargo
Replies: 38
Views: 4060

Re: Rare Earth Mineral Embargo

Arete, why did other countries shut down their rare earth mines? Because it wasn't profitable anymore. Mines are made unprofitable either through low prices or environmental concerns. China had lowered world prices to the point where everyone else shut down. They are able to provide lower prices du...
by Arete
Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:02 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: N.J. student secretly taped having sex kills himself
Replies: 235
Views: 16436

Re: N.J. student secretly taped having sex kills himself

What the fuck? Assuming (without any bit of support from available information) that this event was part of a committed relationship, you've come up with an interesting story. But your conclusion is crap. The damage done to a relationship by one partner's roommate illegally broadcasting a sexual en...
by Arete
Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:42 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Project Prevention: Paying addicts to be sterilised
Replies: 144
Views: 11944

Re: Project Prevention: Paying addicts to be sterilised

/Devil's Advocate More important question: Why is breeding a negative freedom, when it should be a positive one? All the effects / responsibilities (and related problems when those are neglected) have the onus of being societally based, and yet we treat it as this huge "personal freedom" t...
by Arete
Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Rare Earth Mineral Embargo
Replies: 38
Views: 4060

Re: Rare Earth Mineral Embargo

People are mistaken in assuming that China is a Capitalist country. It uses Capitalism, however ideologically it is a different entity. This has been known about for a long time (both the rare earth issue and Chinese actions); ceasing exports merely forces more industrial processes (rare earths are ...
by Arete
Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:08 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: N.J. student secretly taped having sex kills himself
Replies: 235
Views: 16436

Re: N.J. student secretly taped having sex kills himself

Having trawled through an impressive display of introspective attention mongering by posters not really interested in the actual tragedy*, I'll try and relate some of the discussion this brought up amongst my circle of people: 1) The teenager who killed himself doesn't seem to have been in denial, i...
by Arete
Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:16 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

Ok here's some new evidence from the Mavi Marmara. Israel is pretty stupid for not releasing this sooner, but better late than never I guess. This footage was apparently confiscated after the ship had been captured. It pretty much speaks for itself, but here's an interesting exercise: count how man...
by Arete
Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:02 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

Nine people died, I find this discussion lacking in depth. If I believed that any of the posters above had any integrity, I'd walk through the long enquiry into Bloody Sunday, and other places where violence was used on civilians (who may have been "looking for a fight". Sheesh, they didn'...
by Arete
Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

If we're going to be honest, the IDF never claimed the boat was full of terrorists -- it specifically claimed that a small group among those on the boat was a terrorist cell It was only a select group that became violent, and it seems that only that group had any casualties . It's a shame they had ...
by Arete
Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:23 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

I'm not going to continue this debate because it will do no good. Sorry, you didn't actually offer any kind of input there, just some vague liberal guff. Argue properly, you'll get a response: at the moment, you're just reinforcing your own beliefs and ironically.. feeling superior due to it. This ...
by Arete
Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:12 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

fundamentalist religious structures preclude empathising with other humans who do not share their faith because people of other faith are essentially non-human to them. That is in fact one of the most bullshit statements in this entire thread. And that is saying a lot. ;) Actually, that's a very de...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

Demeaning a whole group of people's moral integrity is a great way to demonstrate a lack of ability to empathize with them. Empathising with psychopaths gets you killed. This is probably the best lesson given out by the middle east, to those on both political spectrums. The naive western liberal id...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:18 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

Again, this is an argument from silence. "They could have done something illegal" doesn't mean we can't say that they acted in self-defense. Just because there's more evidence out there doesn't mean we don't have sufficient evidence. You want a video of everything since the IDF started wa...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

That's _not_ the stance I'm taking. I'm taking the stance of using minimal necessary force to defend oneself, and _after they tried other methods_, live fire was what they had to resort to. Captain R. has already stated in an official press release that he didn't bother resorting to other methods. ...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:20 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

Um, if you remembered, I said that it didn't matter whether he was murdered or not. They were coming at him with deadly weapons. Whether they succeeding at killing him is irrelevant; they tried to or gave the appearance of trying to, in which case the soldier was justified in defending himself. As ...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:03 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

That's right, we have no objection to using lethal force when somebody is trying to kill you with a deadly weapon, whether or not it is a gun. And, blam!, we're right back to the fact that the soldier in the photo wasn't murdered, and there are reports that hostages were taken and so on. There's ev...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:58 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

Since you've not read the media reports, the BBC, Israeli newspapers and so forth all make the claim that the Israeli forces only fired live rounds when fired upon by (stolen) guns Alright, well then, since you have read said reports, then please do provide the citation that shows the claim the IDF...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:43 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

If you're going to quote snipe, at least read who was making the assertions. Um, 'nowfocus'? What about him? Is he an IDF representative now...? The question remains -- when did the IDF ever claim they only fired when (individually) fired upon? Now you are trolling. Enough A poster claimed that the...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:34 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

. Why does that make their response disproportionate? Because nine people are confirmed dead. I'd only be trolling if I was trying to make a judgement on the article, which I'm not. A specific article doesn't qualify as the IDF's account. It does if this is the only IDF press release that discusses...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:27 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

...This alone suggests to me that the claim "we didn't fire until we were fired upon" argument is not supported by the IDF's own account ... Where does the IDF claim that they only shot when (individually) fired upon? Arete, almost the entirety of your post is a Strawman attack. If you ac...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:18 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

If you actually read what the Israeli account says - you'll see they only started shooting once fired upon. Which press release is this? The one titled "Attackers of the IDF soldiers are Al Qaeda mercenaries"? http://dover.idf.il/IDF/English/News/today/10/06/0201.htm which contains assert...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:26 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Cops in Ohio Can Write Speeding Tickets Without Evidence
Replies: 69
Views: 6694

Re: Cops in Ohio Can Write Speeding Tickets Without Evidence

I'm not up to date on American traffic laws (and frankly, lack the willpower to fill my mind with it): One thing that always gets me on these "AMERICAS WORST DRIVERS CHASED BY COPS!!!" programs is that people are still asked to "walk in a straight line" when being tested for drin...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:01 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

Have there been any verbal statements to the effect that IDF personnel were wounded by gunfire? Israeli Newspapers have reported it: “I saw the tip of a rifle sticking out of the stairwell,” one commando said. “He fired at us and we fired back. We didn’t see if we hit him. We looked for him later b...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:28 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

nor, it must be said, how many IDF were wounded by gunfire. This we do know: no IDF soldiers were injured by gun shot wounds. How do we know this? Because if it had happened, you'd be damn sure that the IDF would have released footage / pictures via YouTube as justification for using deadly force. ...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:42 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

Based on the photos and videos and soldiers statements, I'm convinced the protesters were trying their utmost to kill not 'at least one', but 'as many as possible' soldiers. Because they failed indicates that the soldiers responded quickly enough. You are free to interpret their inability to kill a...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:09 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

Fine line between violent resistance and unruly mob. Actually, not so fine; it's a color of wording that makes all the difference. Was said head shot victim about to stab, or continue beating my fellow soldiers? Huh... Is that a form of defense then? No, its an unlawful killing, especially if you c...
by Arete
Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:42 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

Small point of obvious logic here: We have pictures of a soldier with blood on his waistband (minor stab wound? Unknown, probably likely) lying in the middle of a gaggle of hostile people, obviously having been beaten. In the corner of the shot, one is armed with a knife (been used on soldier? We do...
by Arete
Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:52 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

I find it hilarious that in the face of repeated outright lies and image editing, the anti-Israel camp is now telling the world to view the videos for their unethical journalism. Because we can dismiss the notion that wads of cash were found in what appear to be mercenaries pockets on the flotilla'...
by Arete
Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:17 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people
Replies: 601
Views: 51259

Re: Israelian raid on Gaza-bound aid ship kills 10+ people

http://cpj.org/2010/06/cpj-denounces-israels-use-of-footage-seized-in-flo.php On Wednesday, the Israel Defense Forces spokesman’s office released edited portions of confiscated video on its YouTube channel, where the footage was labeled as “captured.” The Foreign Press Association in Israel, which ...

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