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by Torchship
Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:26 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Blind and want a gun? Go to Iowa
Replies: 665
Views: 58432

Re: Blind and want a gun? Go to Iowa

I concur that there are situations where a sighted person might find it appropriate to shoot, but a blind person would not because they could not adequately locate and aim for the correct target. And that is okay. It results in a reasonable blind person *not shooting* when a reasonable sighted pers...
by Torchship
Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:05 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

That's not what Belial's talking about. Belial said "You're using "immoral" and "harm" in a minor, near-meaningless sense that has little or no impact on what actual people in actual reality should actually do.", which is an accurate, if hyperbolic, summation of what I'...
by Torchship
Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:10 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

In the STI case, the new harm is primarily to the new partner and occurs whilst having sex. With the trans* issue, it occurs (if it occurs at all) when the other partner finds out which can be before/during or after (which is the situation I'm interested in here, because it illustrates why a blanke...
by Torchship
Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:43 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

I constructed this thought experiment, therefore reality corresponds to it. So say I, in complete intellectual honesty I don't think you really understand how analogies work. If you can in some way demonstrate that the particular type of malfunction of the gun meaningfully influences the morality o...
by Torchship
Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:38 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

Falling bullets aren't really any more harmful than hail. The hearing damage from firing a gun into the air around people who weren't anticipating this and didn't consent to it is real though, and would be real even if it were a blank. Even a trivial amount of googling shows that plenty of people h...
by Torchship
Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:01 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

How so? I explicitly said that no-one was hit/ the gun didn't fire; where is the harm? I suppose the noise of the gun might've upset some people, but that is a tiny effect compared to the one we're talking about here.
by Torchship
Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:34 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

You contradict yourself. 1) Pushing the fat person in front of the train is a moral action (your statement) 2) Pushing the fat person in front of the train is causing harm to that person 3) Causing harm is immoral (your statement) 4) Pushing the fat person in front of the train is an immoral action...
by Torchship
Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:32 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

Person A is trans* and conceals this information, then sleeps with Person B, and Person B never finds out. Was person B harmed? Also: I call bullshit on a blanket statement like 'causing harm is immoral'. Do I need to contrive a circumstance where I can demonstrate it's not? I know that you're util...
by Torchship
Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:22 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

"I'm an active member of the republican party" "I sometimes eat my toenails" "When I was young, older kids once goaded me into boiling a cat alive" "I write furry fanfic on the internet" "I still live with my mother" "I have felony convictions&...
by Torchship
Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:47 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

I'm sorry, if I'm giving out food (not selling, as we're not talking about trans* prostitutes), surely if someone is fussy about what they eat they should ask what's in it, instead of taking the food and complaining afterwards? Even if it were something most people here wouldn't eat (say, cooked ta...
by Torchship
Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:11 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

I have no idea what food culture is actually like in israel, so I'd want to actually talk to anyone who keeps kosher in israel before commenting. Which is why I ignored it the first time: I wasn't just going to take CorruptUser's word for it, considering he does not, as far as I know, meet either o...
by Torchship
Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:23 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

Do you believe that informed consent is an important right in any other context? Since your average transsexual person is aware that the vast majority of the population considers their transsexual nature an important factor, by concealing this they must have violated their partner/s rights to infor...
by Torchship
Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:36 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

What do transsexuals stand for, and how have you arrived at this conclusion? A recognition of the difference between physical and actual sex and gender, most likely. Maybe even a relaxation of society's usually ironclad laws with respect to sex and gender. Certainly, transexual and transgender peop...
by Torchship
Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:00 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

Torchship: Did you miss the part where you felt that disclaimer was in any way predicated on personal safety? "Damage to oneself" includes quite a lot of factors; personal risk of life and limb, emotional damage from being discriminated against, emotional damage for revealing a part of yo...
by Torchship
Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:12 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

Of course, I also believe that the moral blame for concealing information is vastly overwhelmed by one's right to conceal information that could lead to significant damage to oneself, as I have stated quite a few times now. and earlier in that post; I hold that it is the duty of all participants to...
by Torchship
Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:51 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

Bigots ARE people, and they may feel hurt/violated/manipulated by having sex with a transexual/gay/black person, and that feeling is theirs to have and no more or less a feeling than a transexual/gay/black person being hurt that they're being discriminated against. No disagreement there. What I do ...
by Torchship
Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:11 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

Let's use an analogy. For me, smoking would be a dealbreaker (as it would to increasingly many people). If I meet someone at a bar, things go well, we go back to one of our places and have good, happy, consensual sex. After sex, my partner lights up. I now know that they're a smoker and so the deal...
by Torchship
Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:44 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

You can have absolutely whatever preferences you want. However, when preferences translate into action, there have to be some limits. Person X doesn't want to have sex with trans people? That's fine, but that's on him/her to make happen. Active deception is an issue, and should be viewed skepticall...
by Torchship
Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:00 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

I seem to have fairly similar views to Belial on this (although they're arguing them better than I am) and these questions equally I apply to my position so I'm going to answer them too. As I see it, the main problem is that informed consent only applies to relevant information. If I don't tell you...
by Torchship
Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:22 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

No. That's not the reason why you have no obligation to disclose your atheist/black/trans status to sexual partners before getting busy. (Though it's also a pretty good one) The reason is that, actually, there is no moral obligation to coddle the bigotry of others. Ever! If you look at the person i...
by Torchship
Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:05 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

What other group are we discussing here? Cis people. You know, the ones who don't have to clarify their gender status in order to satisfy the bigotry of the masses. Or, hey, if you want to stick to your "let's other some minorities, y'all" rules, why not obligate atheists, or people with ...
by Torchship
Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:59 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

Here's the thing: if you insist that one group has to disclose that information, but another doesn't, you are absolutely being discriminatory. And the word for discriminatory behaviour against transfolk is, awkwardly enough, "transphobia". What other group are we discussing here? I (and e...
by Torchship
Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:19 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

The attempts at justifying transphobia in this thread is astounding. I don't really think that identifying that the other party/s in a sexual encounter have the right to a full disclosure of (in their mind) relevant information really qualifies as 'transphobia'. The conflict between one party's rig...
by Torchship
Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:28 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

Oh, such a reaction is certainly understandable, but that in no way makes it acceptable. Having wrong done to you does not give you the right to inflict (or threaten to inflict) murder and mayhem upon your political opponents, especially when such will be incredibly counter-productive.
by Torchship
Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:56 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex
Replies: 342
Views: 30684

Re: Transsexual man admits 'tricking' 2 girls into sex

While I'm not entirely sure I agree with Ormurinn's position, their idea that sex is an (informal) contract, and should thus be subject to all the usual moral and legal restrictions is certainly interesting and thought-provoking. The idea of legal consequences is certainly the more dubious of the tw...
by Torchship
Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:05 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)

I prefer that people choose language that reflects what's actually relevant to what they're talking about. For instance, if someone is angry that a police-man or a police-woman injustly gave them a ticket, they should say police officer because they are angry about being ticketed, and a police offi...
by Torchship
Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:04 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)

My point was merely that you seem to only have one rhetorical device, overblown exaggeration. It makes for tedious reading. Oh, okay, fair enough. As a description of an insular, sexist programming culture, I think brogramming works well. You could even make a pithy bumpersticker like 'Adria Richar...
by Torchship
Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:13 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)

In much the same way, I can't believe that any intelligent person would reduce rhetoric to overblown exaggeration, and yet here we are. Was there a point other than the one that I identified underneath the rhetoric? If there was, I certainly couldn't identify it. Could you please explain it to me? ...
by Torchship
Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:30 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)

"I'm discriminated against, ergo my trivially obvious hypocrisy that serves no purpose whatsoever is perfectly okay"? Have I interpreted what you meant correctly? This is the only interpretation that I can see, but it's also so blatantly flawed that I cannot credit any intelligent person w...
by Torchship
Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:33 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)

Indeed, but why do we need a term that refers exclusively to males? I've seen plenty of women engaging in 'mansplaining'; the effect certainly isn't localised entirely to men (though it is more popular amongst them). A major point of general feminist doctrine is destroying such unnecessarily gendere...
by Torchship
Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:53 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)

I found this amusing, maybe ya'll will too: http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/04/how_to_get_a_black_woman_fired_in_six_tired_steps.html While I don't know whether the article's race-centric viewpoint is valid or not (I've seen relatively little racism surrounding this event (though lots of sexism...
by Torchship
Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:12 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Gender-charged Twitter Drama (Adria Richards)

Here I disagree. I've been using the term to mean appeals to emotion, so your quote is a contradiction to me. You could say that simply describing behaviour, and then describing a normative standard that damns the behaviour, constitutes shaming; to me, the term is just way too loaded to mean that. ...
by Torchship
Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:14 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Gender-charged Twitter Drama (Adria Richards)

Torchship, one way to deal with public shaming is public disagreement. People could've (people have) publicly disagreed with what Richards did without posting her address or calling her names or sending her death threats. I'm thinking this might be what Meaux means. Emotive language has been well-k...
by Torchship
Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:23 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Gender-charged Twitter Drama (Adria Richards)

nnnooooo... I don't believe that public shaming is the only way to combat public shaming. What other ways are there, then? You can invest in education programs to teach against public shaming, say, but they will never be effective as a sole method. No more than saying "teach tolerance in schoo...
by Torchship
Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:18 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Gender-charged Twitter Drama (Adria Richards)

Edit: Torchship, you're putting words in my mouth. :) Please don't. To say that more clearly: I'm not pulling your basic position into ridicule by disengaging common sense when I think what you mean. Please do me the same favour. Mea culpa. I did not think that was such an unreasonable ...
by Torchship
Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:39 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Gender-charged Twitter Drama (Adria Richards)

You're using over-the-top language to address public shaming as though it only counts for other people to misrepresent situations. I'm having real trouble understanding your intentionally ambiguous one-liners. In future, would you please expand your points into actual paragraphs and connect them ev...
by Torchship
Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:28 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Gender-charged Twitter Drama (Adria Richards)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I don't think I 'did' anything in particular there. Care to be more explicit? Nevermind, i guess there wasn't a hint of irony in but public shaming is still wrong and still needs to be discouraged in the strongest possible terms. ... Do you also sit up at night ...
by Torchship
Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:20 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Gender-charged Twitter Drama (Adria Richards)

Torchship: Are you saying "sex positivity" is inherently connected to the right for people to make sexual jokes about an uninvolved third party who may or may not think it's cool? I'm not entirely sure where you got the idea that the jokes were aimed at any particular person from. As far ...
by Torchship
Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:31 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Gender-charged Twitter Drama (Adria Richards)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I don't think I 'did' anything in particular there. Care to be more explicit?
by Torchship
Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Someone did something on the internet (Adria Richards)
Replies: 202
Views: 27985

Re: Gender-charged Twitter Drama (Adria Richards)

Her... her "Crimes"? "Vigilante Justice"? Ya'll need to tone the rhetoric down, yo. She made a scene (and got fired for it, you might note) about some dudes violating conference policy. Do I think she should've talked to conference staff privately, instead of on twitter? Yeah, s...

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