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by Foelhe
Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:23 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

I don't want to cheer on politicians or anything, but, "This could be useful to liars, so it couldn't possibly be useful to honest people," doesn't really work. I don't see the connection. Jose I want a legal code that's as good as it can be. "POLITICIANS SUCK" tells me nothing ...
by Foelhe
Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:30 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

If the consequences were [...] anticipated by the politicians but not by the public then the public will feel betrayed. You don't feel betrayed by policitians? I feel betrayed all the time. In many of these cases I can't figure out exactly where because the law is already too complicated. Nonethele...
by Foelhe
Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:14 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

I'd argue he's saying adoptive parents care less than bio-parents, not that they don't care at all. Still terrible, but not quite the same. (Not like I'm defending the guy, but I like to be accurate when I'm pointing out why someone's an idiot. For fairness sake.) Oh, yes, I agree. Hence me summari...
by Foelhe
Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:56 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

To be fair, Izawwlgood, I don't think Kit's arguing that it's impossible to care for adopted kids, just that the drive to love someone you've adopted isn't as strong as the drive to love someone you're related to. I disagree with it, but it's not quite as simple as what you're saying. Kits repeated...
by Foelhe
Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:56 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

Just tell me how fast you can produce a positive emotion when you reason tells you that your partner would want to see it, but the subconscious part of your brain fails to produce it on its own. Are you sure your partner won't subconsciously detect your "insincerity", even if the intentio...
by Foelhe
Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:59 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

Yeah, we're going around in circles.

Kit, you've got a ton of assumptions which completely fall apart if you consider the possibility that humans can prioritize goals above "pass on genes. You have no proof for your core premise. Scientifically your argument's dead in the water.
by Foelhe
Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:43 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

Sorry, I was probably not specific enough. I am discussing parental love . I am not discussing whether you are going to hate that stepchild. Actually we've been discussing child abuse. Pregnancy is a completely different thing, because it's where parental love bonds definitely have an evolutionary ...
by Foelhe
Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:08 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

addams wrote:To live a Simple Life is Man's most Complicated Task.

You people live complicated emotional lives.
What are you going to name the Enemy, next?


I'm once again leaning toward assholes.
by Foelhe
Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:02 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

I'm "willing to put up with" a new child in order to "get" my wife happy. Now what? And if your wife is pregnant, and you would rather she get an abortion but you don't mention it? Same thing. And I haven't mentioned before that "wanting something in its own right" by ...
by Foelhe
Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:00 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

I don't really see a difference between marrying a person with an already existing child and allowing the same person (which I already married) to adopt a child. Do you? *facepalm* Um, yes. Yes I do. Because if you're marrying someone who's already got a kid, you don't get a say in whether or not t...
by Foelhe
Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:22 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument

Is it just me, or is Randall starting to exhibit the symptoms of the SJW-plague? I don't want XKCD to go in the direction of Sinfest... Yeah, because if there's one thing plaguing the Internet these days, it's definitely a desire for too much justice . Like, do you not get how much it sounds like y...
by Foelhe
Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:25 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

However, it's not just a coincidence that in the plots of fairy tales, it's stepparents who show parental neglect. ...We're depending on the hard-hitting sociological research of the Brothers Grimm. Sure, sounds legit. Hell, do we even know if stepparents are more abusive on average than bio-parent...
by Foelhe
Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:54 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

This one does, for example: people that know that they are stepparents may show less affection to the child than people that think they are biological parents. Even if they believe that their affection is as genuine. The word "may" makes this kind of useless, though. Step-parents may be w...
by Foelhe
Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:34 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

I know the reason for the legalese, the ambiguity issue. I think, though, that maybe we've gone too far. In California, there is a requirement for our laws to be human-readable (not just lawyer readable). I've read them, the proposed amendments and propositions and whatever else they want us to vot...
by Foelhe
Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:30 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

Am I wrong that there are divorce attorneys...if it's down to one single paper for divorce, why are they needed? Granted I've never been divorced, but my understanding is, divorce attorneys exist because two people living together share a lot of space, and if you don't want to share space anymore y...
by Foelhe
Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:51 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

That's pretty amusing, because it reminds me of the rhetoric of MRAs and the anti-SJ crowd, and yet, I didn't for an instant think it meant that Randall had become an MRA or a member of Stormfront. It was an amusing riff on metadebate (how do you debate), and it's easy to see any group which oppose...
by Foelhe
Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:27 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

He means that this comic reminded him of the rhetoric of what he calls the meaniehead crowd and that this kind of rhetoric is plaguing the internet right now, so he'd hate to see Randall to be a part of that. (correct me if I'm wrong here) I don't think rhetoric is the word you mean here. Rhetoric ...
by Foelhe
Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:32 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

A growing trend of groupthink and intolerance of dissenting opinions among ostensibly progressive, left-leaning people. So... you think Randall's intolerant of people who like Devil's Advocate arguments? Or you think Randall would only dislike Devil's Advocate arguments because of groupthink? I'm s...
by Foelhe
Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:22 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

Vanzetti wrote:I didn't accuse Randall of becoming extremist, I wondered if he is exhibiting the symptoms of the SWJ-plague (I can't read his mind, of course). It's not all black or white.


I'm officially confused again. What does SJW-plague mean?
by Foelhe
Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:07 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

So, I've been mostly polite up to this point, but I'm kind of getting stuck on one point: what does any of this have to do with the Devil's Advocate thing anyway? Simply. I got annoyed that Randall decided to come out against the concept of Devil's Advocate aka "Maybe My Opponent Have Somethin...
by Foelhe
Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:24 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

Here's the gist of the problem. When some fundamental islamist fanatic 10000 miles away from me claims that all who don't agree with him must be beheaded, I don't feel anything. It is expected. Such is the world. Arguing with him is impossible. But when someone close to you says, basically, like, &...
by Foelhe
Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:16 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: "Marriage"

I'm sort of against marriage. It doesn't seem to do much good. If people are happy, a certificate doesn't change anything. If people are unhappy, that "bond" now forces people to stay together (for a bit, at least, until a divorce is approved) and the situation gets worse. What is the ben...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:09 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

None of this is to defend the quality or appropriateness of any comments made. People say abhorrent things that it'd be better they didn't say, in every medium, all the time. I'm not defending any of those things. I'm just saying that shouting about what people are or aren't allowed to say is basel...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:32 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

I'm assuming he was looking for a term that singled them out from all the assholes in the universe and specified them as assholes who are nominally linked to social justice movements vs assholes who are linked to stormfront. If you're a Christian you can still single out the extremist-fundamentalis...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:05 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

Okay, then you aren't who I'm talking about. Mea culpa. But I find "both sides are just as bad" arguments inaccurate the vast majority of the time. Neither side's perfect, that doesn't mean both sides are the same. That simply depends on what you mean by 'worse'. In terms of pure morality...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:02 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

Ok, so honest question here for people (like you, I'm gathering) who see themselves as within the social justice movement in general, recognize the existence of unreasonable extremists within it, and don't like the term "meaniehead": what term would you prefer to succinctly label the unre...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:38 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

add rapey comments to people's sexy pictures without their consent I'm having trouble picturing what the opposite of this would be. Specifically, I'm trying to imagining a conversation where a potential-rapey-comment-poster seeks consent to post the comment first, and does so without somehow making...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:23 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

Okay thanks for not reading what I said. I'm saying that the crazy people are forcing themselves into the group of "I'm helping to change things!" but by doing so the crazy people are making things harder for the people who are actually trying to make things better. I misunderstood your p...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:10 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument

And that happens BECAUSE those people exist. By those people existing they become strawmen, and by associating themselves with the wider world of people who actually fight for equality it is giving people like your example a perfect target to paint around anyone who is trying to change things for t...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:58 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument

The problem is that the 'alleged' meanieheads do exist and they promote the exact same things as the blogs you are talking about, just the other way around, to the point that female-to-male transgenders are being harassed and yelled at because males are obviously the evil gender and wanting to beco...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:49 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument

You might find this quite interesting: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ Thank you for this link. It was a very interesting read. Especially chapter XII was food for thought. Honestly, I think he's reaching for a lot of his conclusions. But then, I'm ...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:07 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"

If you want a safe space, call it a safe space in advance. If you march into a paintball arena shooting around you with a paintball gun and start crying when someone shoots back and actually hits you they're not the ones who have failed to "Learn to Social" or the ones being abrasive. I d...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:34 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument

Historical context is in order. This comic was posted in the wake of the 2014 Brendan Eich controversy, in which Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich (Netscape employee since 1995, creator of Javascript and one of the founders of the Mozilla project) was forced to resign after controversy arose about his $1000...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:02 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument

Let me post the list of consequences from the comic that was just linked: yelled at, boycotted, have your show cancelled , get banned from an online community. None of these things are discrimination. I guess being yelled at could be harassment in some cases, but it doesn't have to be. So I'm not s...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:49 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument

This includes protection from other people and groups. A powerful group would be violating your human rights if they were to censor your free speech if it would otherwise be allowed by law, even if that group is not associated with any government. Pressuring people and discriminating people for wha...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:26 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1432: "The Sake of Argument"
Replies: 203
Views: 38188

Re: 1432: "The Sake of Argument

As with all groups, you can categorise the sets of beliefs which members hold into things which are Obviously Reasonable, Currently Controversial and Obviously Unreasonable. When their group is criticised people, like yourself above, try to imply that their group is only about the Obviously Reasona...
by Foelhe
Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:21 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: Marriage

There's definitely an argument that you should not allow anonymous sperm donation - whatever may be true about the inheritance of personality traits, there are definitely medical conditions that run in families, and genetic conditions don't care about who loved little Stewie more; only about whose ...
by Foelhe
Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:22 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: Marriage

He's evidently talking about a surrogacy situation. Which would have been more clear if he'd said that instead of the loaded, question-begging language about buying children. In any case, how is that different than if it had been a sperm donor for a woman who raised the kid? I totally missed where ...
by Foelhe
Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:12 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: Marriage

The child shall be registered immediately after birth and shall have the right from birth to a name, the right to acquire a nationality and, as far as possible, the right to know and be cared for by his or her parents. To me it's obvious who the parents are in that sentence. When the child is just ...
by Foelhe
Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:20 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1431: "Marriage"
Replies: 442
Views: 74339

Re: 1431: Marriage

Today. Maybe after the robot apocalypse it will be different. But I agree, it's a fun tangent I'm happy to drop for offtopicnicity. No strong feelings either way, as long as we both know we're kidding. I've seen people argue this kind of thing in deadly seriousness, so I wanted to double-check and ...

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