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by Longstreet85
Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35458

Re: Utility of Religion

Dare I suggest that your quandary is caused by the conflation of ethics with meta-ethics? I.e., Virtue ethics as a whole must be consistent but it certainly does not mean that ethical behavior be rule based or consistent. I chose didn't choose sympathy/empathy to be the corner stone of morality at r...
by Longstreet85
Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:38 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35458

Re: Utility of Religion

Argh, am I talking in a wind tunnel here? Morality as a set of rules or a code is one possible way to look at morality; but another way is to understand it as the cultivation of a number of virtues within the self , as argued by -All Classical philosophers -All Medieval philosophers - http://en.wiki...
by Longstreet85
Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:11 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35458

Re: Utility of Religion

I am saying it can rule out inconsistencies, but I would guess that means more than you do. For example lets say I think 1. Killing is wrong. 2. Whatever action helps the most people I should try to complete. Then lets do the perfect surgeon on an stranded island problem. I have 4(random) patients,...
by Longstreet85
Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:51 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35458

Re: Utility of Religion

I have two things A and B I found out about via inductive reasoning. But lets say they also can't both be true by inductive reasoning. 1.A xor B 3.B 4??? I really don't know what your getting at. I think I know what you're saying; but I don't want to respond unless I'm sure. If all you're saying is...
by Longstreet85
Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:13 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35458

Re: Utility of Religion

This is correct. But the thing is if something by deductive logic is proved wrong, then it is certainly wrong. So even if induction supports a moral act, but deductive logic proves it wrong, that act is wrong. Deductive logic is certain, as you stated above. But deductive logic can only show that s...
by Longstreet85
Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:09 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35458

Re: Utility of Religion

Induction is not free from being logically consistent. If a claim is logically inconsistent, regardless of how it was arrived at, it cannot be correct. Not really. . . it depends if we're talking about the same thing. My contention is merely that deductive logic aims at certainty whilst inductive l...
by Longstreet85
Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:32 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35458

Re: Utility of Religion

Just because a morality is useless doesn't mean its not correct. As a matter a fact I would argue any morality that isn't logical consistent is automatically incorrect as it would be impossible to follow. But this only makes sense if we assume morality must be deductive rather than inductive, somet...
by Longstreet85
Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:41 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Pragmatism: Does it exist?
Replies: 11
Views: 4150

Re: Pragmatism: Does it exist?

it's worth it to consider, however, that pragmatism has actually been developed into a philosophical school, and I think many of you would really be interested in checking out their works. It would improve your arguments as well as your understanding of what you're committed to as a "pragmatist...
by Longstreet85
Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:45 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35458

Re: Utility of Religion

I agree with your take on it. But I would say we need more than knowledge. I don't know pricely what, but it seems clear that proper motivation as well as a social group that shares similar goals and struggles can help. 4.) Morality is useless. Your Kantian morality specifically does nothing to imp...
by Longstreet85
Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35458

Re: Utility of Religion

Guenther, I think his position can be maintained only (1) if he believes that there are no objective answers to moral questions (2) if he believes that while there are objective answers, knowing them does not necessarily lead to a moral life. If what he's arguing is (2), which I think it is, it's a ...
by Longstreet85
Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:48 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35458

Re: Utility of Religion

They are exactly the same thing but the Rule tells you what is the best choice and the Imperative doesn't so one is not applicable to all possible situations and the other is. For example, imagine the best moral choice is the total destruction of the universe. The Golden Rule doesn't allow it but t...
by Longstreet85
Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:38 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35458

Re: Utility of Religion

A clarification, Kant's categorical imperative is exactly as the Golden Rule but with a very important difference, it doesn't tell us what we should want, only that we should want. The Golden Rule runs into a problem and that is that we may want something that we shouldn't. Please elaborate on the ...
by Longstreet85
Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:14 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy of Religion [Philosophy]
Replies: 132
Views: 13169

Re: Philosophy of Religion [Philosophy]

It seems then, that we've been given a loose set of things that just *happen* and are expected to reverse engineer a moral code from them. We're forced to then follow this code that we've reverse engineered, that *may* be right, and can never really know for sure. I suppose this would be a good tim...

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