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by BigNose
Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:06 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!

YAY. Finally an end game AND a win, no wait, 2 wins. DOUBLE YAY \o/
by BigNose
Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:52 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

Adacore wrote:EBWOP: Can you also please unvote me so I don't get immediately lynched to death by the Fremen?

Get it in while I can.

Obvious is obvious.

Vote: Adacore
by BigNose
Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:47 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

existential_elevator wrote:Spice addict = bad?

It depends on whose point of view you are looking from, but if it's mine, then YES it's bad.

As for copping me, no problems.
by BigNose
Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:40 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

If we lynch Lady J and Wei comes back non-H, then we lynch E_E for being a duff cop.
If Lady J comes back as H or SA and the game does not end, then we lynch Alia/Adacore.

But as I said before, I think that Lady J/Wei is a Spice Addict here

I have never been confirmed Town directly, but because of my (virtually) unprompted claim here, it has generally been accepted that I am Town.

That prompted BXM to supply the gift, which in turn identified him as the recipient of the dropped package and onward as Inventor and Gurney H.
by BigNose
Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:28 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

existential_elevator wrote:Wait... Did Greenlover and Dr. Ug claim Fenring, or am I remembering this wrong?

Also, Mav =/= Lady Jessica
Wei = Lady Jessica

Because of this duplication.
I did a more thorough check through and posted it. So that now it should be:
Mav - Lady F
Wei - Lady J
by BigNose
Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:50 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

Mavketl wrote:
BigNose wrote:Nuff sed!
I feel like you're trying to make some sort of point, but I don't know what it is.

Yes.
I was trying to say that F_C claimed Jamis in a small post, as opposed to the huge posts that others claim in.
by BigNose
Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:49 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

Spoiler:
weiyaoli wrote:Some analysis time.

Claimed Atreides/Fremen (Going to assume these are town):
Adacore (Possible Atreides?)
Bignose (Fremen/?) (What is your other faction BN? Sorry if I missed it on my reread.)
F_C (Fremen/Lyncher)
E_E (Atreides Supporter)

Some idea on role:
Brook (Is some role that is capable of giving things to other people. Came into contact with something belonging to fremen. He could be the inventor that has been recieving the things as the item could have been the package dropped) Gurney Halleck?

Mav - Has BG win condition and is the House Fenring that e_e came across D1/N1. Doing some reading up on wiki, this leaves Lady Margot Fenring? @Mav, who is House Fenring protecting?

Unknowns:
greenlover
dark_loink
misterk


I would be fine with asking any of the above to roleclaim.
My starting position.

Spoiler:
Mavketl wrote:I don't want to out anybody or anything, but it has been so blatantly obvious to me that I can't imagine people haven't caught on by now. Also, there is no logical lyncher/killer for this character, so I don't think it'll be too harmful.

Hey Brook, are you Gurney Halleck by any chance?

weiyaoli's ninja:

As per my previous post, why do you count Adacore as 'confirmed' anything? Also, Dark Loink has semi-proven to be Fremen, which makes him very likely town. You have also conveniently left yourself out, which is fine with me because of the whole BG thing, but I figured it needed pointing out before someone else sees it as a reason to suspect you or something.

Yes, I am Lady Margot Fenring (I kind of hinted at it in my "she's my favourite character!" bit in response to e_e's copping a Fenring which I was pretty sure was me). Unsurprisingly, I'm protecting Count Fenring. Not that he really needed protecting so far, with that one-shot kill of his. We've decided to use it to off the claimed lyncher, since the two people we suspected most were mister k and P_E and mister k seems headed for a lynch anyway. We want to win this with town (I think the kill helped show that), because it simply gives us the best odds (and because I like playing town a lot more, anyway).

I think I'll wait with the claiming on who Count Fenring is. I think it's probably a good idea for him to claim, but it should be his decision. (Not that it isn't rather obvious by now... :P )
Mav as Lady Fenring.

Spoiler:
weiyaoli wrote:About greenlover, he made a comment earlier that I thought was slightly out of nowhere:
. . .
Where did he get this from if he is not House Corrino? A bit too random to be just a suggestion in my view.

Vote: misterk

Make greenlover truthfully claim one win condition.
Since I figure a full out and out claim is probably too overpowered and would therefore be corrupted in some way so I want some control over it.

Ninjaed:
@Mav:
I wanted to avoid this but with only 1 or 2 unknowns left I think I can risk this. I can confirm that Adacore has the Atreides win condition. I am unsure of the others however and I have lost the ability to ask in any case.

@Dark Loink:
I'm not the one who recieved a package from brook, that was BigNose. I'm just speculating what that could mean if brook was not fremen.
Wei supports Adacore as Atreides.

Spoiler:
Adacore wrote:I'll reciprocate that and confirm that I believe weiyaoli also has the Atreides win condition.

I agree with the speculation from BigNose that mister k likely has a kill and, thus, is likely scum. I'd missed his attempt on his own life in the day-start flavour - it's not a certain clincher (it could equally be simple mod-flavour for someone without a means of killing attempting to kill themselves), but mister k was under heavy suspicion already and, despite this, hasn't made a roleclaim yet.

vote: mister k

Of the other players, working off D_L's recent post, I trust weiyaoli, and kinda-trust D_L (atreides/fremen), E_E (atreides) and F_C (fremen) (yay for two word user name trusting)!

Less sure on Mav (whose active win condition is, as I understand it, unknown), from looking at wiki Margot Fenring could plausibly a number of different allegiances, including Atreides and Corrino (but probably not Harkonnen). Or, wait, is she claiming she's protecting Count Fenring? He's probably not very pro-town, I would guess, from looking at wiki (I wish my flavour knowledge was better)... which makes a little suspect of Mav. But there was speculation earlier in the game that he probably isn't anti-town. Ok, colour me confused - I need to think on this more.

If Mav's speculation on Brook being Halleck is right, I'd guess that makes him reasonably safely town (again, wiki-based knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong).

BigNose claimed Fremen, and I have no particular reason not to trust him (but also, no reason to trust him either, really).

I don't think we have anything at all on greenlover, do we? But hopefully wei's power will correct that.

Sorry if this post was a bit shambolic and disorganised - I've not got much time for mafia right now, and this game has me a bit confused.
Adacore returns the compliment.

Spoiler:
greenlover wrote:
Mavketl wrote:I think I'll wait with the claiming on who Count Fenring is. I think it's probably a good idea for him to claim, but it should be his decision. (Not that it isn't rather obvious by now... :P )

Yes, yes. I guess I should probably claim.

Well, as you all probably already guessed, I am Count Fenring. I doubt I would be considered anti-anyone, considering my winning conditions merely require the survival of two players, and not the destruction of, well, anyone. If I ever was at odds with anyone, it would have to be the harkonnen, as they wanted to kill one of the people I had to protect: the Emperor. The other player I wanted to protect was Lady Fenring, who wanted to protect the life of NaR. So, I think that means that my alignment would be more of a pro-town independent/surviver?

My power was a one-shot kill, which was used just now on P_E. Now, I am functionary am a vanilla town. . .thingy. Take that as you will.
Greenlover outs as Count Fenring. Do I believe he is done with his kill? Hmmmmmmm

Spoiler:
weiyaoli wrote:Yeah, no.

I can see why you chose me but really bad decision:

I am Lady Jessica which is how I know that Adacore is Atreides, he is Alia who I gave birth to on D4.[/u[ I was cringing yesterday when Adacore confirmed me as Atreides, it was obvious who I was then with a BG and Atreides alignment.

Vote e_e
[/spoiller] Wei's shout as Lady J and on Adacore as Aia.

[spoiler]
existential_elevator wrote:You're... well, this is awkward.

I'm kinda Thufir Hawat. My alignments are Atreides. And, well, I'm Lady Jessica's Lyncher.

However, my cop just retrieved "Harkonnen" for you. Either my cop will "just do" that, or.. well, I don't know. You actually are Harkonnen. I didn't want to claim before you because then it would be pretty easy for you to throw up your hands and say "Lady Jessica!".

Maybe my cop just scums you? :/

unvote
E_E as Thufir Hawat.

Spoiler:
Brooklynxman wrote:Win condition claim, for the sake of completion:

[u]Atreides supporter (it appears to be same as Atreides, but I dont actually count as an Atreides for purposes of faction elimination)
Survivor

So ummmmm please don't kill me.
BXM coming out as Atreides supporter.
Flying_Cookie wrote:I'm Jamis.
(The guy who challenges Paul to a duel, and dies)
Nuff sed!

As Dr Ug was the Baron, ofcourse he wasn't about to claim that.
Need to check back to see if greenlover voted on Dr Ug and when.
by BigNose
Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:21 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

Adacore - Alia (Daughter of Lady J ??)
Bignose - Stilgar (Fremen/Atreides Supporter)
F_C (Fremen/Lyncher)
E_E - Thufir Hawat (Atreides Supporter/Lady J Lyncher)
Mav - Lady Jessica (BG/Atreides Supporter)
Brook - Gurney Halleck
greenlover - Count Fenring (Emperor/Lady Fenring)
dark_loink -


No name that I find easily find for F_C.
Nothing from D_L that I can easily find.
We have a supposed Atreides supporter for Adacore, but potential Harkonnen underlay.

@Mav, sorry - typo or brain fart!

weiyaoli wrote:EBWOP:
Just something I wanted people more experienced with flavour's opinions on:

I read on the wiki when I first recieved my role that Alia was possessed by a spirit or something as a result of Lady Jessica undergoing spice agony during pregnancy. That could be a possible conflict there since I don't think lynchers would mean an extra day. But apparantly this was in a later book? Could it have happened in this game?
If she suffered from Spice agony, then that suggests that she was also a Spice Addict.
by BigNose
Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:05 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D7: Before they catch you chainsmoking. Word.

@E_E - If we know your a cop, then a full claim can support that even more. Plus it gives Scum 1 less character to hide behind.

@Wei - Fremen and House Atreides Supporter

@Mak - Cult - Good possibility

If we lynch Wei on it, we still leave the Leader a chance to recruit again.
We need to find the Cult Leader if we are to end this (assuming that we have a Cult).

I wonder if we can get Wei to use the voice on himself?
by BigNose
Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:35 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D6: Break, Eject! Eject, Eject!

This is beginning to feel very squirmish.
He just keeps adding to what he can do, instead of letting us have it all at the same time, it's a
'oh, but wait, I can do this, I can do that'
Can we just call time on this please?
by BigNose
Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:13 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D6: Break, Eject! Eject, Eject!

weiyaoli wrote:Any particular reason for the vote there P_E?

Also hopefully this does what I want it to do:

Make misterk use kill on misterk

Nobody suggested any targets so I'm going with the only person to reply.

VectorZero wrote:The firefight continued through the streets of Arrakeen, but in their fatigue, the Fremens' shots went wide, and the Harkonnen shot no better than stormtroopers. Night fell. Mister k was noted to attempt to choke himself but, after passing out, his grip relaxed and he began breathing again.

The 'thopter returned again, heavily laden. It flew out into the desert. A huge cloud of dust was visible as a heavy object was released into the desert.


There have been no deaths. 11 players, 6 to lynch, 4 at deadline. If there is another default, I will modkill someone at random. There is a 72 hour limit for Day 6.

weiyaoli wrote:
VectorZero wrote: Mister k was noted to attempt to choke himself but, after passing out, his grip relaxed and he began breathing again.


I've thought about this bit further and the wording seems that misterk does have a kill. (Since I worded my command to "use" a kill so this couldn't have happened if misterk did not have a kill)

So, I realize it could be a town role with kill power so pending a claim,

FoS: misterk

mister k wrote:I would love to claim a town kill but I havqe nothing of the the sort. If your power targeted someone who actually had kill I imagine they would be dead.

With these 4 quotes, I hereby declare Misterk a big fat fibber. I think that the MOD used his discretion to avoid a self-kill and that MisterK is indeed a killer.
And with that:

Keep vote on MisterK





Brooklynxman wrote:
PhoenixEnigma wrote:I've already got one win, and my second win condition is a lyncher (I'm not about to disclose who, of course). Since I don't really have any idea who my target is at this point (maybe do to a lack of flavor knowledge), I figure I'm best served by lynching anyone and everyone. I'll sell my vote to the highest bidder.


Uh huh. Sure you will. Anyway, no I am not a Fremen.

Now I got that package and from it, I would automatically assume that you are Fremen.
But in this post, you declare that you are not Fremen, so whereas In my last post (which magically I cannot find) I was exhorting you as Fremen because of the package, I now am not.
I would consider you Town or atleast not Anto-Fremen.
by BigNose
Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:41 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

I will unvote for DL as the reason for the vote was lack of content.

Unvote

I have received a 'gift' from someone. I recognise them enough to understand that they would come from Fremen to Fremen, thereby putting 2 and 2 together, proves that BXM is Fremen.

Was that the package that was dropped?

13. BigNose (Missing until 31 Oct, getting real sand twixt toes)
search.php?author=BigNose&t=65602
-Claims to be a fremen/atreides. Missed votes on Ug, cycoden and amer.

I am going to go further, seeing as some of you have suspicions of MisterK and BXM has voted for him and he trie dto 'fit me up', I feel enough justification to:

Vote: Mister K

but that vote is more about ensuring we have a 'winner' than a NL.


DAMN NINJA'D
by BigNose
Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:14 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

I was thinking more in line with whether they are CHAOM or whomever.
by BigNose
Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:09 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

Mavketl wrote:Since you're claiming Atreides/Fremen... I think it would be wise to add a name to that, so we can stop lynching you (barring counter claims).

(Is the Fremen win condition really eliminating all players who are "greedy with the spice"? FC? Anyone? It seems rather vague. Also not all that townie, depending on your definition of 'greedy'.)

I am Fremen and my conditions are:
To remove those who wants the spice aka Spice Addicts but gives no further indication as to their alignment.
To keep atleast 1 Atreides alive.

@BXM I wait with bated breath!
by BigNose
Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:05 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

Just checking back thru.

Who picked up the package and how?

I see that P_E tried to pick it up and I can see no other request (bold or otherwise) requesting to pick it up, but P_E's attempt failed.

So who has it and what does it contain?
by BigNose
Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:43 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

EBWOP

PS Adacore, mine was Stilgar, Fremen/Atreides.
by BigNose
Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:42 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D5: Check Out My New Weapon

Well I'm all for lynching a lurker at the moment.
We have 2 candidates:
P_E with 13 posts all game, although they do have 3 on this page, so 10 posts over 12 pages!!
D_L with 14 posts all game, last post was almost a week ago.

If P_E doesn't continue with his new posting rate, I will vote for him the next day.

In the meantime:

Vote Dark Loink
by BigNose
Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:33 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D4: Walk Without Rhythm

existential_elevator wrote:vote: ameretrifle

I copped her: she came back Harkonnen. Simple as.

OK, losing the will to live and can't be arsed to wait on NaR.

If Irulan (as amer is believed to be) doesn't come back Harkonnen, then E_E - face thy doom.

Vote: Ameretrifle
by BigNose
Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:46 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D4: Walk Without Rhythm

Dark Loink wrote:To be honest, maybe claiming would be the best-maybe not for you, depending on your faction, but for the public itself. You'd at least understand what you need to win, if you were town, or independent. Maybe not complete role claim(such as when NaR had to claim Paul. I mean, it gives credit more than, I'm atredis, but you know)

This is exactly what I mean.
Please refer to the post that I now link to:
Post where BigNose 'outs' himself.
by BigNose
Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:58 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D4: Walk Without Rhythm

I think what's happened is that the flavour is getting in the way of the game, instead of enhancing it.
Because we don't know who is Town and who is Scum and for those of us who are flavour less, trying to understand the alliances is getting in the way.
I have no idea who is Scum to me.
by BigNose
Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:30 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D4: Walk Without Rhythm

That was one helluva speed lynch.
By the time I read Dr Ug's confession, I thought 'he's gettin my vote' and by the time I look at the final post - he's dead!

OK, it was all in one read, but that was quick for such a game, confession or not.

BIO dying is not good for me. Strangely, he was also a Mason with Fremen/Atreides links, but I think he was an Atreides Mason, as opposed to a Fremen Mason, as I certainly didin't talk with him.
Can someone tell me who Chani is/was?

As Lady J has given birth to an Atreides, I can only suspect that it is a good thing, but does that mean we have a new player, or is it just flavour, as obviously, a new-born cannot talk.
by BigNose
Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:59 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D3: To Tame a Land

mister k wrote:holy mother of... right. So we're waiting on a claim from dr ug, and we have

-amer forced nar to claim. I have to admit to not spotting NAR bread crumbing anything, but I.. ok I've been ninjad while writing this. So yeah, thats an effective claim (I suspect we should just assume that amertrifle is writing flavour in every game shes in from now on)
-a fremen tried to kill muad dib, which makes sense from the book I think. We can probably leave FC alone today unless we think he's going to gang up with some anti-muad dib group
-big nose inexplicably claimed fremen too before any of this erupted

Bah, guh, and meh. I'll wait and see what dr ug says I guess.

Added a quick addition/clarification to that.
by BigNose
Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:28 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D3: To Tame a Land

NaR, the problem with bread-crumbing, is that it was flavour-based, hence completely missable by those who are flavour-lacking - ME.

However, I am a Fremen and an Atreides supporter, so I will vote as you see fit.
by BigNose
Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:16 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D3: To Tame a Land

I have stated my reasons for claiming.
Please look back at how much Mpolo has been supporting me to confirm my claim.
I even thanked him in PM for it.

There is wine there, not of my doing and some people are already voicing suspicion, I just wanted to head it off at the pass.
This way, Scum now have a choice, to kill a claimed vanilla, or not. But whether we get that far is up to you.
by BigNose
Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:03 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D3: To Tame a Land

EBWOP
Two more things:
1. I was role-blocked on D1, so although Mpolo could talk to me, and I could talk to him, I only managed 1 post to him before being RB'd.
2. On D2, I sent several messages to him, but I did not get any back. That maybe circumstance, or maybe he was RB'd. I don't know.
by BigNose
Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:59 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D3: To Tame a Land

I'm not quite sure as to whether to do this or not, but Cycoden's post has put me in a position that is already drawing (a small ammount of) suspicion.
I think his Kill of Mpolo and vote on me is because he had some form of insider knowledge and potentially passed that onto his Scum buddies, if not directly, then indirectly, but by implicating me, I think he is hoping that Town would lynch me, or define me as the Scums next target.

The reason I think he had inside knowledge is that myself and Mpolo were mason buddies.
I am Stilgar, Fremen, and Atreides supporter.

I am now vanillaTown and despite everything I try to do to the machine, obviously it's not upto me to 'start' it.
Which leaves me in a position of having no (further) power and wanting to avoid wine that is NOT my cause, generating poor vibes for Town.

Wine of my own doing, I can handle. Wine generated by others is only really disposed of through a lynch.

I leave my fate in your hands Fremen/Atreides (Town?).
by BigNose
Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:34 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D3: To Tame a Land

OK

Pull any lever in sight or reaching range
Press any button in sight or reaching range
Turn any rotating dial in sight or reaching range
Look for cable to plug into . . . . {Needs manual}

Kick machine!
by BigNose
Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:16 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D3: To Tame a Land

Reads dials




Ahhhh what the heck!



Pulls lever #2
by BigNose
Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:24 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D2: I am Mauve'bib, the Kumkwat Haagendasz!

Mavketl wrote:I think it's rather plausible that he was aiming for the Kumkwat Haagendasz Kwisatz Haderach, to fulfill a win condition and protect his throne/power/life.
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here, but don't bother answering, as I probably won't understand that either.

*Drowning in Dune/Spice Flavour*
by BigNose
Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:31 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D2: I am Mauve'bib, the Kumkwat Haagendasz!

The death of Mpolo is bad. Masons are useful to have later in the game for cross-claiming and Townie verification.
Did cycoden get lucky, or was he informed in some way? / have inside knowledge?

That's 2 Harkonnen who have turned up baddies.
Both described as Harkonnen/Independent.

Who now becomes Emperor (Paul Atreides?) and should we be worried about it?

greenlover wrote:Could we get a official vote total?

I would vote, except I don't want to hammer. Or double hammer. Or, well, I don't know? ^^;

Personally, I think that there is still some use in keeping this day going, at least until we have the flavor of mpolo's death. If cycoden just killed scum, then we might want to keep him around and go after BigNose on his suggestion. If he didn't, then I think lynching him imminently is a great idea.
Do you still want to follow this strategy of chasing me?
by BigNose
Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:03 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
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Re: Dune D2: I am Mauve'bib, the Kumkwat Haagendasz!

Well thanks for that Cycoden.
I couldn't understand the Vote on me, so it's nice(?) to see it off.

Adacore wrote:EBWOP: Also, I agree with mister k - we definitely don't want to speed-lynch, because (a) contributions from lurkers would be useful and (b) seeing the results of the mpolo kill (if the kill was real and we do see any) before nightfall would be interesting.
Agree

Vote: Cycoden (Deliberately unbolded - MOD please ignore atm)
by BigNose
Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:57 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
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Re: Dune D2: I am Mauve'bib, the Kumkwat Haagendasz!

Not A Raptor wrote:
BigNose wrote:I find that the problem of whether we are to trust Cycoden, and by inference - Lataro, is just going to become wine.

If we leave Cycoden alive, will Harkonnen kill him?
WIll some other faction do it?
Will they NOT kill him to create more wine?

It doesn't help that I don't even know if Harkonnen ARE scum.

What is good/strange, is the number of NK's. With such a number playing and the potential for 3 or 4 (or 5?) factions, that more NK's didn't occur.

What do you mean, we don't even know if Harkonnen are scum? What I can see is fairly obvious. The Harkonnens had the ability to chat with each other in private (see Lataro's apologizing about falseclaiming his secondary condition), they have a kill, and Lataro said he was ditching his primary win to betray one of his own. It seems obvious that town/scum would be primary objectives and that scum powers means scum designation. Even if it's all just wine, the best way to clear it up is to lynch Cycoden, because the probability of any of what I said just now being wrong seems low.
Because of the current interactions and the night flavour not stating Town or Scum, I am now going on the faction vs faction vs faction scenario, where NOBODY is Scum per se, just anti - you/me.
Regarding Cycoden, I agree, but I want to wait for a response and more talk before I vote.
by BigNose
Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:48 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
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Re: Dune D2: I am Mauve'bib, the Kumkwat Haagendasz!

I find that the problem of whether we are to trust Cycoden, and by inference - Lataro, is just going to become wine.

If we leave Cycoden alive, will Harkonnen kill him?
WIll some other faction do it?
Will they NOT kill him to create more wine?

It doesn't help that I don't even know if Harkonnen ARE scum.

What is good/strange, is the number of NK's. With such a number playing and the potential for 3 or 4 (or 5?) factions, that more NK's didn't occur.
by BigNose
Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:32 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D2: I am Mauve'bib, the Kumkwat Haagendasz!

ameretrifle wrote:
ameretrifle wrote:Seriously, I'm pretty sure that's 2 or 3 votes *over* hammer and I'm a bit worried about everyone who was insecure enough to bother.

BigNose wrote:Thx Lat.

Vote: Lataro
Oh hey look it's the guy I'm still voting. ;D
That was from my phone and as there wasn't any votals at the time . . . .

Can someone make more of this than me?
Lataro has been lynched. He was Glossu 'Beast' Rabban, roleblocker, Harkonnen/Independent.
Krong has been killed. He was Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV, Corrino/Harkonnen.
Feyd-Rautha has become Emperor.

If Harkonnen are Scum, then why was Lataro an Indy?
I can undertand him being Scum with a second win condition, but this is a little strange.
Krong was the Emperor and Cycoden now, but is that a bad thing?
Again, there is no Scum/Town indication and we are making an assumption that Harkonnen are Scum.
What other Factions support the Emperor? What is the role of the Emperor in the books?

Am I better off thinking that there is NO scum in this game per se and that it is simply faction vs faction vs faction (vs faction).
by BigNose
Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:18 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
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Views: 90976

Re: Dune D1: Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice

Thx Lat.

Vote: Lataro
by BigNose
Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:49 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
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Views: 90976

Re: Dune D1: Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice

mister k wrote:Unofficial votals:
Flying_Cookie (1) - Brooklynxman
BigNose (3) - Krong, , Lataro, ameretrifle
Lataro (4) - Adacore,mister k, greenlover,mpolo

(you missed that I changed my vote)

Lataro's defence is insufficient to me. I'm happy with my vote as it is.

OUCH. Yeh, I didn't realise that I was in that position. I knew that people weren't happy with me (nothing new there), but I think I had 4 votes on me for a while.

Also, I know where Lataro is coming from. I also feel that Large games are not my preferred style. As I have just seen in another thread, someone took 12 hours to compile a player by player analysis. I don't have 12 hours in any day, so catching up and post by post analysis isn't going to happen soon.
Voting for Lataro is a potential easy way out and while it might be a good thing for him, it may not be for us.

OK, I still don't see a lot of activity from a quite a few players. One who I think is missing is NaR, but without doing a full analysis, I can't be sure and last time I tried, I got abused (do it again please - I luv it).

If/when I review my lurker list, then I can make an informed (you and me) decision.
by BigNose
Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:13 pm UTC
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Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
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Re: Dune D1: Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice

I would disagree with knowledge from flavour, especially as we haven't been able to discern for ourselves whether Harkonnen are Scum or not.
My own tendency is to say that they are, but it's a probable rather than definitive.

OK, something to keep in mind.
by BigNose
Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:23 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
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Views: 90976

Re: Dune D1: Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice

Dr Ug wrote:I don't see how this isn't what I said. There are people who are Harkonnen who want people who are atreides dead. There may be people who aren't Harkonnen (like the emporer) who want the same. There are people who are atreides, who want people who are harkonnen dead. There may be people (probably are) who aren't atreides, but want the Harkonnen dead (probably several fremen). Similarly for fremen vs CHOAM.
This is strange.

He seems to state that the Harkonnen want the Atreides dead and vice versa.
He then includes statements of probabilities.

Let's take 1 line at a time:

There are people who are Harkonnen who want people who are atreides dead.
This states that he KNOWS that Harkonnen wants to kill Atriedes. How does he know?

There may be people who aren't Harkonnen (like the emporer) who want the same.
Here, he speculates there maybe the Emperor.

There are people who are atreides, who want people who are harkonnen dead.
Again, he seems to have inside knowledge.

There may be people (probably are) who aren't atreides, but want the Harkonnen dead (probably several fremen).
More speculation which I would expect.

He swings between the definitive and the probable. That would only come from inside knowledge.
The question is: Harkonnen or Atriedes or is this a deliberate outsiders (Indy) attempt at tying factions.
by BigNose
Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:59 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
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Views: 90976

Re: Dune D1: Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice

weiyaoli wrote:
BigNose wrote:
weiyaoli wrote:I can't see the different win conditions make that much of a difference in scum hunting. Although there are no black and white scum and town factions, I think I get the impresson from wiki and role spec so far that in general the house harkonnen are generally the faction that is most likely to be scum and because it will be difficult to figure out from the thread exactly what faction someone belongs to, I think the "default" view this game will be adopting will be generally anti-harkonnen.
This pings me as 'I am Harkunnen and I am Scum'.


I'm not sure how you got that from people will probably try to act "anti-Harkonnen" instead of acting "town" because Harkonnen is the obvious scum in this game and there are a lot of grey areas in the other factions.

See, here again this pings me as not right. You always act Townie, not anti-Scum.
We don't even know that Harkonnen are Scum, though I can agree with it.

Must go atm - Meeting
by BigNose
Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:57 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Dune Game Over! Atreides/Fremen Victory!
Replies: 682
Views: 90976

Re: Dune D1: Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice

Adacore wrote:Starting the game with no knowledge of the flavour, I wasn't even sure I was one of the good guys (although I became reasonably convinced I am fairly quickly).
Is this a 'trying to establish myself as Townie' comment?

Dark Loink wrote:I'll look through, Mav seems somewhat worth watching for me, but thats more gut feeling and speculation. I'd rather not get into the reasons yet, because if I'm wrong it would just make things worse.
We haven't had anymore from DL on this.

Krong wrote:Also, something that maybe hasn't been emphasized enough is that we've potentially got traitor characters around like Dr. Yueh and (kinda) Thufir Hawat, who may have two nearly-conflicting win conditions.
I think this is worth bearing in mind, as although the MOD has taken the characters from the 1st half of the book, there is no reason why he couldn't include a lot more characters from later on AND applied their 'allegience' to this game.

weiyaoli wrote:I can't see the different win conditions make that much of a difference in scum hunting. Although there are no black and white scum and town factions, I think I get the impresson from wiki and role spec so far that in general the house harkonnen are generally the faction that is most likely to be scum and because it will be difficult to figure out from the thread exactly what faction someone belongs to, I think the "default" view this game will be adopting will be generally anti-harkonnen.
This pings me as 'I am Harkunnen and I am Scum'.



Plenty of others directly or indirectly claiming 2 win conditions.
mpolo wrote:At least my secondary win condition really seemed kind of secondary to me on first reading.

Dr Ug wrote:I'm a bit surprised everyone is calling them "secondary" win condition

Adacore wrote:That does raise an interesting point - if you're in a situation where it's technically possible to get both wins, but you think the chances are maybe 10%, with a 90% chance of not getting either whereas you could concentrate on one win with a 50% chance of success, which option would/should people pursue?

Also, I'd like to say the option that is pro-town (or pro-faction, at any rate) should be 'preferred' as a primary win condition, personally. Helping others in your faction win is just as important as winning yourself, imo. Basically if you go for a 'solo' win condition (lyncher or survivor, for example), you get 1 win. If you go for a faction win condition and your faction has 20 players, you get 20 wins - the second option is far better.

Brooklynxman wrote:I care about my double wins. Not that I can remember ever getting one.

Silknor wrote:
Not A Raptor wrote:Silknor... does that mean that you don't possess a townish-type role, or are you simply commenting on town size and characteristics?

The latter, mostly. I'll admit I drew upon my own win conditions (I'm uniformed, but there's nothing to indicate I'm in a majority). So my role posses one, maybe 2, of the classic town conditions.



mister k wrote:you know, looking through, Bignose complains about scum hunting, yet hasn't, you know, done any yet. Admittedly I'm not seeing many tells- silknors reaching around for who town is seems a little suspicious to me, but its maybe too obvious for scuum.
And this was dated mister k » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:06 am UTC, so to still be getting beaten up over not doing any actual scum-hunting is just a wee bit hypocritical of those that haven't either. No, wait, I lie. Those that have done anything towards scum-hunting have gone straight for me.

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