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by Bluesprite
Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Organised religion and social oppression.
Replies: 42
Views: 11211

One of the most fascinating assertions I've encountered on this subject is the idea that secularism is a Christian idea. Discuss.
by Bluesprite
Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Mainstream Media and media bias
Replies: 53
Views: 11249

Here in Australia, a lot of right wingers believe that our publicly funded television station, the ABC, has a left wing bias. It actually doesn't. What it does have is the first program in the world to investigate media bias and unethical behavior, Mediawatch. The main reason the right winger belie...
by Bluesprite
Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:14 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Why I am Not an Atheist
Replies: 79
Views: 15823

Belial wrote:Ahh, to be able to believe things just because I'd prefer they were true...


Why not?

If an assumption leads to no conclusions, who cares? The assertion that there is no god leads to no conclusions except that interventionist religion is incorrect.
by Bluesprite
Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Why I am Not an Atheist
Replies: 79
Views: 15823

Or there is no god to act. If it's indistinguishable, why work on an assumption? In that case, one can certainly say that they enjoy the aesthetic. I am such a one that feels this way. I do not believe in an interventionist god, nor do I believe in any established religion, but a godless universe d...
by Bluesprite
Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:31 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Mainstream Media and media bias
Replies: 53
Views: 11249

@ Bluesprite So what did people do before the internet? Ten or fifteen years ago I couldn't have gotten a lot of the information I am able to get with ease now. Have newspapers and television news gotten a lot worse since the advent of the internet? First sources have always been around. The White ...
by Bluesprite
Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:26 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Israel
Replies: 1040
Views: 93498

Oh yea, I totally believe that. Because a land that "overwhelmingly" belongs to Jews is very likely to displace 700,000 Palestinians upon its declaration as a sovereign state. I think you should look into why, exactly, so many Palestinians left their homes. I think the answer would surpri...
by Bluesprite
Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Israel
Replies: 1040
Views: 93498

The land used to belong to the Palestinians, and it was taken from them by force. Correction: The land used to belong to Transjordan, Egypt, and possibly Syria. Edit: Fascinating observation: If the PLO had never happened, there would be peace in Israel today. Jordan and Egypt have both signed trea...
by Bluesprite
Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Israel
Replies: 1040
Views: 93498

Why arn't any of you offering any actual ideas? Also why didn't anyone responde to the sites I offered mentioning the crimes of Sharon and Israel in general? Ideas: I don't have any. The only path to peace is for Hamas and Fatah to get along in such a way that they acknowledge the right of Israel t...
by Bluesprite
Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Violence over vaccinations
Replies: 48
Views: 12043

Solt wrote:I know, and that's exactly the problem. The only way you can say what is right and what is wrong is if you hold the power. If you don't have power over them, why criticize them over how they choose to live?


I like to believe that debate is healthy.
by Bluesprite
Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:53 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The future of mankind discussion.
Replies: 115
Views: 19711

The possibility of a technological singularity frightens and saddens me in a way that I can quite express.
by Bluesprite
Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:30 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Violence over vaccinations
Replies: 48
Views: 12043

To say that these people are just plain wrong and we should go over there and whoop their asses until they agree with us is one thing. To say that they don't have the right to do something (that WE find wrong, not them) in their OWN sovereign territory but we don't want to be violent about it is en...
by Bluesprite
Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is the world getting better? Or worse?
Replies: 20
Views: 6029

I think the world is doing better and improving in unprecedented ways. The principle of equal opportunity is proliferating. Wealth is vast and more evenly spread than at any point in the history of the world. We have the most benign hegemony in the history of the world. People actually pay attention...
by Bluesprite
Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Israel
Replies: 1040
Views: 93498

This conversation has become insane. Let's try and refocus a bit. People are upset, and that's appropriate, this is a contentious issue. But it bothers me that Israel's right to exist is even up for debate. No doubt those who sympathize with Israel (I am such a person, to an extent) have their own r...
by Bluesprite
Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:20 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The problem of getting meaning from X->nothing
Replies: 28
Views: 4754

I smell an axiom fight...
by Bluesprite
Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Iraqi war
Replies: 47
Views: 12515

At this point, all I can say is I read what you wrote, I understand it, and I still disagree, because it's a lot of just interpretation and mind-reading of others' intentions. That's fair. In essence we're both colouring our analyses with our political outlook. That's not what you're saying. You're...
by Bluesprite
Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:10 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Iraqi war
Replies: 47
Views: 12515

w.r.t. UN legality: Typically the clause "Acting under Chapter VII" is considered the statement of the UNSC's intention to use force required by chapter 7, in particular when there are many force clauses already in existence against the nation in question for the same or similar grievances...
by Bluesprite
Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:42 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Al Quaeda's Aims.
Replies: 37
Views: 10023

Could you expand upon the Saudi Arabia thing, I'm not sure I understand your point. I agree the wahhabis are a threat. I think the possibility of them taking over Saudi Arabia is very real, and that's why I think we should pressure the Saudis to be a better government. I think if the people of Saud...
by Bluesprite
Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Iraqi war
Replies: 47
Views: 12515

So I've checked my facts. Care to refute? Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_1441 "On 8 November 2002, the UN passed Resolution 1441 urging Iraq to disarm or face 'serious consequences'." http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N02/682/26/PDF/N0268226.pdf?Open...
by Bluesprite
Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:53 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Al Quaeda's Aims.
Replies: 37
Views: 10023

For me the threat is not al-Qaeda themselves. It is that they might foment fundamentalist takeovers in places like Lebanon and Saudi Arabia. I don't think al-Qaeda has the physical resources to establish a Caliphate themselves, but they can influence a lot of people. I just think we should start in...
by Bluesprite
Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:41 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Iraqi war
Replies: 47
Views: 12515

That's a wonderful narrative, and I can see why the Bush administration keeps telling it as if it were true. Unfortunately for them, it really wasn't that long ago, and there remains plenty of evidence to refute it, if you care to look. If you're accusing me of speaking for the Bush government, I c...
by Bluesprite
Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:32 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Israel
Replies: 1040
Views: 93498

I see this thread is rapidly mirroring the haze of justification, counter-justification, grievance and counter-grievance that's going on west of the river Jordan. Israel's relations with Syria are stable. Israel's conflict with Hizballah cannot exist if the Palestinian conflict is resolved on terms ...
by Bluesprite
Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Al Quaeda's Aims.
Replies: 37
Views: 10023

Wasn't the real lesson of the Cold War that the best way to destroy authoritarianism is via the lure of prosperity? Well yes and no. What you're forgetting is that it was a battle of economic systems. Our economic system was better. It was our economy that won the war. In that sense, prosperity was...
by Bluesprite
Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Iraqi war
Replies: 47
Views: 12515

Fjafjan: You wanna quote your source? The speech I remember was Blix saying this in front of the UNSC (which is the only place it mattered what he said): "Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance, not even today, of the disarmament that was demanded of it." The speech he gave,...
by Bluesprite
Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:56 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Al Quaeda's Aims.
Replies: 37
Views: 10023

So, the conversation is seems to be spiralling out of control. In an attempt to refocus the debate, I'm going to summarize what seem to be the two most prominent theories of Al Quaeda's aims: 1) To reestablish the Caliphate. 2) To end US influence in the mid east. I posit that 2) is a means to 1), a...
by Bluesprite
Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:54 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Iraqi war
Replies: 47
Views: 12515

They knew the intelligense was incredibly weak, there were a number of sources saying "Look they aint got none" They could not have known there to be weapons there, or even fairly sure, since there were none, and the inspectors were ready to tell them so. Intelligence tends to be weak; it...
by Bluesprite
Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:44 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Al Quaeda's Aims.
Replies: 37
Views: 10023

Where is this massive global war that you talk of? Where are the victims? TBC is a far more deadly killer than terrorists... A map of recent attacks can be found here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/TerroristAttacksAlQaeda.png It leaves out a few things, like the Nairobi bombing...
by Bluesprite
Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:54 pm UTC
Forum: Religious Wars
Topic: How do you pronounce it?
Replies: 264
Views: 140780

And what about x_{0}. Do you say "x zero" or "x not"


"x sub-oh"

and for x_{k} in general: "x sub-k"
by Bluesprite
Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:49 pm UTC
Forum: Coding
Topic: Best Scripting Language
Replies: 33
Views: 11455

I dont actually know how to do anything with scheme. I mean, I can build data structures and compute fun sequences and all, but I can't do things like parse a file, take live input, or anything dynamic without input/output.
by Bluesprite
Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:13 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Al Quaeda's Aims.
Replies: 37
Views: 10023

Al Quaeda's Aims.

The United States and Al Quaeda are presently locked in a global war, one which was declared by Al Quaeda in 1993. The United States declined combat for 8 years until 2001, when it took the war to Afghanistan. The conflict has raged since then all over the world, most notably in Pakistan, Afghanista...
by Bluesprite
Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:14 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Who else feels old before their time?
Replies: 47
Views: 7588

I was bald at 18 =|

I feel like I'm in my golden years already and I haven't finished school =/
by Bluesprite
Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Iraqi war
Replies: 47
Views: 12515

Tractor: you seem to take it as read that the US is there to secure oil.

What leads you to that conclusion?
by Bluesprite
Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:58 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Iraqi war
Replies: 47
Views: 12515

there was no plan for building up a society after tearing the old one down, There was to an extent... the issue is that when the Americans went in, they discovered that Sistani basically controlled everything, whereas they believed they were going to need to take control themselves. You're right th...
by Bluesprite
Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:28 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The war on terror
Replies: 49
Views: 8581

I would say the support has grown rather than lessened, and various studies agree with me in this Yes, but support isn't enough. To carry out the kind of attacks AQ attacks requires more planning, resources, care, and organization than I think people realize. Stand up for capitalism? Capitalism is ...
by Bluesprite
Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:28 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Capitalism
Replies: 37
Views: 7289

No alternative? That is without a doubt the most intellectually lazy statement I have read on these forums. Are you suggesting that the only forms of economies are either capitalism or command, perhaps with some sort of sliding scale between them? I take it you have never heard of syndicalism, fued...
by Bluesprite
Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:00 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The war on terror
Replies: 49
Views: 8581

fjafjan: We seem to disagree on a lot of points. So let me start with what appears to me to be the fundamental place we're differing at: The US is perfectly fine with people hating it. As long as those people don't allow that hatred to be converted into a policy of attempting to destroy the US, anyw...
by Bluesprite
Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:40 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The war on terror
Replies: 49
Views: 8581

You don't have to use nukes in order for them to be useful. You don't even have to admit you have nukes for them to be useful. That's not quite what I said. You have to be willing to use them. More importantly, you need to convince people that you're willing. I think you're trampling over a myriad ...
by Bluesprite
Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:42 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The war on terror
Replies: 49
Views: 8581

Tractor: I take it you disagree with the analysis I presented in my first post. Would care to say what you think is wrong with it? Alternatively, would you care to justify the proposition that the war in Iraq is a war for oil? seriously, just gtfo out their country and they'll leave you alone. what ...
by Bluesprite
Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:20 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The war on terror
Replies: 49
Views: 8581

If you believe that you can be attacked for any reason, at any time, then laying low and not pissing the US off is no longer a valid option. Arming up and making yourself a dangerous target seems like the next best strategy to me. Not what Yakk's saying. More like, they *weren't* seeking nuclear ar...
by Bluesprite
Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:06 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The war on terror
Replies: 49
Views: 8581

The Iraq war looks like a war of whim. But it's not. It looks like a war in which the US made up lies to justify a predetermined course of action. It looks like the US will invent reasons to attack you -- given that, there is no way to act that will mean that the US won't attack you. Unfortunately,...
by Bluesprite
Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:59 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Iraqi war
Replies: 47
Views: 12515

Visceral hatred can be very cathartic for those of us with a lot of.....well, hatred. In our viscera. That's fine, but it doesn't help convince people who happen to disagree with you, such as myself. All I'm asking for is a summary I can work with that is not so steeped in hatred that I can actuall...

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