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by elasto
Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:09 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

the case you describe has already diagnosed and an established history of mental health problems. If the person in question doesn't have a history or existing diagnosis of mental problems you have to establish that he does before you can intervene, and if they aren't willing to see a mental health ...
by elasto
Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:47 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

The mental health intervention requires a conviction, which requires a (successful) prosecution. You can't intervene in someone's life without the court finding such an intervention is necessary. To establish otherwise is to severely curtail freedoms we take for granted. I'm not sure that's true. I...
by elasto
Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:40 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Sure... but even if they assume that someone broke in to borrow your car, the time and resources it would take to actually track down who did it would not be worthwhile for most departments. They simply don't have the resources. They could take a few hours to find a usable print, and then a few mor...
by elasto
Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:58 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Eh... actually it's not that unusual for cars to be taken and returned. Sometimes for use in crime, sometimes for simple utility - they need a car, you have a car. Sometimes just for fun. The returning the keys where they were is a bit more noteworthy; but frankly - and don't take this personally -...
by elasto
Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:29 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

cphite: I feel like you missed the point. Taking a car and then returning it (including returning the keys where they came from in my house!) is a highly unusual act. Either it's been taken to be used in a crime they are trying to frame on me - which should be treated incredibly seriously - or there...
by elasto
Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:08 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3715
Views: 463594

Re: The Darker Side of the News

As for the importation, yeah, avoiding accidental importing of invasive species is good, I suppose, but ridiculous fines probably make people less honest, not more. And "delta handed me the apple" is probably not much of a risk. Not really a good use of fines. The intent of the law might ...
by elasto
Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:33 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

To look at cop shows, you'd think that cops, yknow, actually investigate and what not. Most of time, eh, they can just about be bothered to write up a report. Sometimes they don't even want to do that. I had a vehicle totally destroyed recently by vandals, and someone even saw the two who did it. D...
by elasto
Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:51 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

I remember reading or watching something with regards to dictatorships, and how they were better at protecting the environment since the people in charge would still expect to be in charge 20 years later when the shit hit the fan and didnt have to worry too much about keeping citizens happy. I thin...
by elasto
Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:27 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

The cops first duty is to protect. I'd put it before serve. Insight and support-network info is worth far less than casualties, even an officers. But 'insight and support-network info' means less casualties tomorrow. It's the same reason Scandinavian prisons focus so heavily on rehabilitation, mean...
by elasto
Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:11 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

But it's usually for the greater good to shoot people who seem to be brandishing a weapon after running over dozens of people. How is it for the greater good? If you capture him alive you can obtain information about his support network, why he went down this path and so on. All things useful eithe...
by elasto
Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:52 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

In contrast with the 149 pages of this thread, I thought this was illuminating: The calm actions of a police officer who arrested the Toronto van suspect without firing a shot have prompted praise and, in some quarters, astonishment. Video from the scene shows suspect Alek Minassian pointing an obje...
by elasto
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:02 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3715
Views: 463594

Re: The Darker Side of the News

A woman says she is facing a $500 fine from the US customs agency after a free apple she was given as a snack on a plane was found in her bag. Crystal Tadlock, travelling to the US from Paris, said she was saving the fruit for her onward flight to Denver. But the apple was found in a random search ...
by elasto
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:23 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

except no the police really don't! have to just believe people that someone is causing a disturbance when there is NO SIGN they are causing a disturbance. they literally do not have to. they can use their judgement and say sorry but this person is doing nothing wrong, and go! Either you are missing...
by elasto
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:58 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

The starbucks manager and the cops were both wrong here and it's tiring but unsurprising to me that so many people defend what happened as "well that's just how it had to be." the world we live in, the world y'all are actively defending with that rationale, is a world where for the crime ...
by elasto
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:56 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Wait, does the business have to prove they were justified, or does the plaintiff have to prove the business was discriminatory? IANAL but a quick googling suggests to me it would be dealt with in the civil courts not the criminal, so it would be on the basis of 'on the balance of probabilities'. If...
by elasto
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:15 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Actually, there is a huge difference between a private residence and a business that is open to the public. For example, a private residence has a right to deny entry to anyone, whereas a public business does not. A public business has to be able to justify their denial of entry, sure, but that's n...
by elasto
Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:58 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

The manager who called the police has now 'left the company', and all 8,000 Starbucks branches in the US are going to close for an afternoon for 'racial bias training'. Zohar, I agree that this was a 'shitty situation period', but not all shitty situations can be prevented, sometimes they can only b...
by elasto
Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:22 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

So how do you think the police should be dealing with people on private property without permission? Yes, they should be escorted out and let go, but it sounds like the police tried to do that and the pair refused (rightly believing that the staff should rescind their refusal to grant permission, an...
by elasto
Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:59 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

"It's hard to be critical of the police" in this case means you basically are OK with people having to spend the night in jail for no reason other than their blackness. Like, if everything went "by the book", that's an acceptable and reasonable result? It means I'm ok with peopl...
by elasto
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:31 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Did they really need to use force and handcuffs? Wouldn't they be able to tell the "intruders" that "now you get out" (and escalate if that does not happen)? I imagine that's exactly what did happen, and the pair would have repeated that they were simply waiting for someone and ...
by elasto
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:05 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

This isn't strictly a case of police misbehaviour, but it does point to the systemic racism that black people face. Coffee chain Starbucks has apologised after two black men were arrested while waiting for a friend at one of their shops in the US city of Philadelphia. Amateur video shows police plac...
by elasto
Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:12 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 4875
Views: 375962

Re: Trump presidency

Yeah, to be fair they usually earn less during their political career than before it - low government salary, investments go into blind trusts etc. - but earning potential goes through the roof afterwards, as mentioned.
by elasto
Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:48 pm UTC
Forum: School
Topic: Justifying the Death Penelty
Replies: 54
Views: 3835

Re: Justifying the Death Penelty

Prisoners still have the right to free speech, which means that Hitler could continue to lead the NAZI party from his jail cell Remember Gitmo? Remember extraordinary rendition? It's absolutely not a given that someone in the leadership of an organisation would retain the ability to speak to follow...
by elasto
Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:01 am UTC
Forum: School
Topic: Justifying the Death Penelty
Replies: 54
Views: 3835

Re: Justifying the Death Penelty

An argument could be made that 'an eye for an eye' is fair and so therefore is 'a life for a life'. An argument could be made that state-sanctioned punishments act as a deterrent and therefore are for the greater good, in a 'the ends justify the means' way; And that since losing your life is the ult...
by elasto
Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:08 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3715
Views: 463594

Re: The Darker Side of the News

NFL player Trevor Davis has been charged with making "criminal threats" after joking about explosives at airport security in Los Angeles. "Trevor Davis checked in at the Hawaiian Airlines ticket counter and was asked the usual questions about whether he was carrying any aerosol cans,...
by elasto
Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:18 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Again, that's a somewhat weird situation; It's unlikely any such compromise could come to pass. Having said that, drug laws are just a mess as you suggest - contrast penalties for cocaine vs crack, or, until pretty recently, harsh penalties for heroin vs opioid prescriptions given a virtual free pas...
by elasto
Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:55 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

It is entirely plausible to have policies that adversely affect certain ethnicities while reducing death rates *cough*druglaws*cough*, but that's not the point. Do drug laws reduce death rates? All the evidence I've seen says 'harm-reduction strategies' like prescribing addicts their drug of choice...
by elasto
Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:48 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3715
Views: 463594

Re: The Darker Side of the News

I'm not convinced that mass shootings are about "15 minutes of fame". Most often these incidents result in the death of the perpetrator. I'm more of the opinion that it's a form of suicide while screaming "you didn't help me". Most of these incidents after the fact (20-20 hindsi...
by elasto
Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:55 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6098
Views: 849980

Re: Police misbehavior thread

That seems a somewhat implausible trichotomy though: Any program that sought to reduce deaths across the board would be unlikely to cause an increase in the absolute number (as opposed to ratio) of black deaths.
by elasto
Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:39 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14625
Views: 2160309

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Can't say I disagree with that. The US is a mass of contradictions in so many ways. A serious distrust of government oversight and fierce defence of personal autonomy and right to free speech - and yet seemingly total apathy when it comes to private organisations restricting the personal liberty of ...
by elasto
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:10 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 4875
Views: 375962

Re: Trump presidency

Ultimately though, the idea's that if everyone can freely express ideas, and the good ideas beat out the bad ones in the long run. If you don't believe that will happen, you might as well give up on democracy as a principle. I don't think it's quite that black and white. One can believe in free mar...
by elasto
Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:59 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3715
Views: 463594

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Survivors of the deadly school shooting in Florida have resisted new security rules that ban all but clear backpacks at their school. Students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High in Parkland, adorned their bags with signs, badges and slogans protesting against the measures. Seventeen people were kille...
by elasto
Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 4875
Views: 375962

Re: Trump presidency

Agreed. The thing is, even if low-skill immigration could be halted (which it can't be, at least in any meaningful way), the same issue is going to raise its head when robotics and AI really take off in a decade or three. The answer, then as now, will be exactly as you say: taxpayer-funded education...
by elasto
Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:09 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 4875
Views: 375962

Re: Trump presidency

Nor are most immigrants who risk their lives trekking across the desert.
by elasto
Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:39 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1971: "Personal Data"
Replies: 82
Views: 5360

Re: 1971: "Personal Data"

I don't think you need anything like as radical a solution as banning renting. You simply need to have a significant proportion of the country's housing stock in public ownership, which could be achieved by house builders handing over a proportion of newly built houses in lieu of paying tax. In addi...
by elasto
Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:28 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 4875
Views: 375962

Re: Trump presidency

by elasto
Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:34 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 3715
Views: 463594

Re: The Darker Side of the News

A Texas judge has sentenced a woman to five years in prison after she voted in the 2016 election despite having been convicted of a serious crime. Crystal Mason, 43, was found guilty of tax fraud in 2011, and was free on probation when she cast her ballot. She failed to convince the judge she did n...
by elasto
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:51 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 4875
Views: 375962

Re: Trump presidency

While true, it ignores the ingenuity of Chinese netizens: (Spoilered for length and OT'ness) After Liu Xiaobo’s death on July 13, Chinese censors knew they had to work quickly. After all, Liu had been a prominent activist for democracy while alive, an integral figure in the Tiananmen Square protests...
by elasto
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:10 pm UTC
Forum: Mathematics
Topic: My take on Godel's incompleteness theorems
Replies: 42
Views: 4276

Re: My take on Godel's incompleteness theorems

Eebster didn't say objectively true, but objectively real. And, as I say, with caveats I can agree with 'objectively true' but not 'objectively real'. And Platonists haven't left math for religion, so much as for philosophy If Platonists are arguing over objective truth, then, yes, that's philosoph...
by elasto
Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:39 pm UTC
Forum: Mathematics
Topic: My take on Godel's incompleteness theorems
Replies: 42
Views: 4276

Re: My take on Godel's incompleteness theorems

Mathematical Platonists are definitely a minority, but yes, they do claim mathematical objects are objectively real things in some sense. I don't really get it, personally. As I say, I can see how a mathematical theorem can be objectively true in the sense that any rational being anywhere would com...

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