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by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:55 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

In Plantinga's case, I think he could legitimately say "There is a God" just as I could legitimately say "25 * 5 = 125" we both believe that we can prove what we say is fact, even though there's always the possibility that we've made a mistake. I don't think that that's a accura...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:30 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

Alright, let's lay out my concerns now. 1) Can you choose your own beliefs? Can our beliefs change? I guess this gets tricky when two separate people don't even agree on the nature of free will vs. determinism as it is. I can only say that in the absence of any sort of proof or even reliable evidenc...
by theonlyjett
Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:33 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

...Yeah, or he could just not exist. Sorry, I didn't mean anything by leaving that out. I think I have stated that I think that is a possibility. If not I just did now as well. Given enough trials, even the most improbable events will eventually occur. There's nothing suspicious or unexplainable ab...
by theonlyjett
Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:59 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

Let me propose an analogy. Suppose we want something that constructs the natural numbers. What's more reasonable to do 1) Say, we start at 0 and we do +1 every time and no matter which number you name, we'll eventually get to it 2) Say, hey let's start at infinity, and then if we want to get a numb...
by theonlyjett
Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:50 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

Research of certain issues at debate has lead to see how scripture is actually very true I don't know what exactly are you talking about Just morality issues, the bible is actually very vague in a lot of issues that the religious actually are way stricter about. Just as an example (and we don't nee...
by theonlyjett
Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:56 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

Is it just that altogether, these strange, unexplainable events seem to fit in with the idea of the god you believe in, which acts for you as confirmation of the correctness of believing in it? :) Pretty much. And until I have a better idea, that's how they are probably going to stay. Keep in mind ...
by theonlyjett
Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:15 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Christians Should Beat Up The Homeless (if they want)
Replies: 201
Views: 12610

Re: Christians Should Beat Up The Homeless (if they want)

Actually, the entire exercise fails at, "First off, Mormons..." and any theist at all who may not agree with premise 3 or your idea of free will or deterministic views. Any given individual is bound to actually have, um... individual beliefs even if they don't always agree even with their ...
by theonlyjett
Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:44 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

Oh, yup, ok these ones will choose green and these ones will choose red.. mmkay, I'm perfectly fine with that"? / And because this choice is made BEFORE any of these events it the same as "setting them in stone"... Okay, got ya. That is a great point. I can only then conclude at this...
by theonlyjett
Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

And if he is not hiding, he is not very good at advertising. Where, I say, is the evidence? Well, he's sort of hiding, just in plain sight. The evidence to me goes something like this: A person I know to have been unable to walk for as long as I have known them, one day, begin to walk. The unexplai...
by theonlyjett
Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

Umm... no, this whole test is used to compare prayer effects with the effects of coincidence, a positive result would mean that it's not a coincidence by definition. Not to mention that many people will want to redo the experiment again to check. It's not "oh, it works?... naaaah prolly just c...
by theonlyjett
Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:51 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

You know, as soon as I posted that, I knew that someone was going to bring that up. It was inaccurate to say "outside" and now that I've thought of it, "independent," is even worse. Forgive me, I'm used to conversing these ideas with people where there is already a certain set of...
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:32 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

Well, now we're back to the evidence of the supernatural topic. There is no "enough." If someone is in a place where he feels the need to believe in something bigger than themselves, but are still completely anti-Christian god, then the FSM words will cause them to say, "that's it, I ...
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:58 am UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Sometimes everybody is wrong
Replies: 54
Views: 6847

Re: Sometimes everybody is wrong

I have never, in my life, heard people consistently properly use figures of speech like, "I'd just as soon ___" or "spit and image" or "I couldn't care less." People hear others saying things, and it sounds like 'I'd just assume' and they repeat it, without realizing t...
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:07 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Tantrik? More like Tantrick!
Replies: 17
Views: 2365

Re: Tantrik? More like Tantrick!

On the other hand, he totally deserves it, just for being silly enough to try it on cable television (not to mention believing that balderdash in the first place) :twisted: How long do you think it'll be before he feels safe to go outside again without some sort of disguise on? Five minutes or so. ...
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:44 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

Second, let's not make the mistake of complete relativism. / There is a definite answer to this question. Some of us may be right and some wrong (probably none of us are completely right). Just because we can't know for certain doesn't mean there's no answer. Also, especially if my Christian belief...
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:19 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

It deftly makes the point that belief in the FSM is neither more or less silly than belief in any other deity, which is why I want to hear someone who claims to have knowledge of a greater being explain why that "knowledge" is more rational than "knowledge" that the FSM is real....
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:06 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

I couldn't agree more, but unfortunately there seems to be a dearth of that evidence. I've been looking for it for ~30 years and I have yet to find any. Sure, and I have, so if we can just agree that our own experiences have brought us to this place where we disagree and that it's possible that eit...
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:17 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

It is silly to point out such an obvious fact It would seem so, but I did so anyways in an attempt to curb the "Ha ha! God can not possibly exist because the idea of an old man turning a crank is absurd." Um, ok, you're right, it is, but that's not the image of god I'm advocating, so... T...
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:09 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

Okay, what I'm reading here is "Most atheists do not base their atheism on rationality or even personal preference; they disbelieve because they don't have the full knowledge about religion. Their arguments against God are mostly missing the point entirely." Err, no, sorry. It's more like...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:54 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

...since God made me a skeptic, and as such God made me 100% likely to not believe in him... Wouldn't it be more accurate say, I don't know, maybe 98-99.9...%? Allowing for the possibility (no matter how slim you think it is) you could be wrong and therefore, not be considered close minded on the s...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:02 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: This is why we can't have time travel
Replies: 69
Views: 15058

Re: This is why we can't have time travel

Nice. Good find OP. I liked how no one wanted to go stop AsianAvenger, an apparent board troublemaker, from negating his own existence.
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

FSM is meant to be ridiculous, but it is not meant to ridicule. Even if I gave you that one, (How can either of us know what was intended by the guy who came up with the idea?) that still doesn't mean that other people don't use it to ridicule. The only reason I would get upset about your Pol Pot p...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:51 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

Something I've always been annoyed about is how people build God. Normally they'll start with a base; Christian God, Jewish God, etc... Then just add things onto it for no other reason then they'd prefer God ver 8424567636823.7443457 You're right, we should just pick one thing and stick to it. We s...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:19 am UTC
Forum: General
Topic: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions
Replies: 4059
Views: 378217

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Misconception: After dealing with this topic in several other threads, we should just go ahead and argue about it here, too.
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:24 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

...so a coincidence isn't going to convince me of much. / That said, I don't think that makes me closed-minded. Sure, I'm with you. I was/am completely skeptical, but the coincidences just kept adding up 'till I just could not deny it anymore. But that's my experience, as they say, your mileage may...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:58 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

@ Belial That's certainly a fair enough answer for you to personally take, but you saying that I'm wasting my time (which you indirectly did) is akin to me saying that you're going to hell (which I'm not, just example). If we (all) could spend more time learning in what ways our differing beliefs ar...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:19 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

There's no way to dismiss the possibility of any theory. But you can distinguish useful theories from useless ones. The theory of god creating everything is certainly useless to science, but not stupid to believe. Pascal's wager. Hehe. Let's try this one: You are a scientist. You recognize the poss...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:58 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

You can accept the scientific analysis of the Bible, but then you have to accept the scientific analysis of the WHOLE Bible. It's a logical fallacy to say that since science confirms some statements in the Bible and refutes others, the Bible must be true. Not exactly, the bible is actually several ...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23868

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

Religious belief about things science can't currently explain makes can make people complacent. It stops them seeking the real answer, because they've made up what, to them, seems like a perfectly good one. On the surface, I can agree with this statement. The thing is, I don't think it has to do wi...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:13 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189325

Re: Religion

Assuming extra, unknown agents (god) when the known agents (chance and psychology) can explain the situation tends to run face-first into Occam's razor.... Except that apparently god has made himself known (or at least is attempting to). And even so, Occam's Razor is a logical guideline very useful...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23868

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

It's pretty much Occam's razor again. Can you explain, or link to, how this works? I'm genuinely curious. I get how religious beliefs need not even be considered in science. I do not get how science invalidates all religious beliefs. I know that certain things can be shown to be unlikely to have ha...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:06 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions
Replies: 4059
Views: 378217

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Mine's related to that. Misconception: That 99% of people with loudly voiced, over-simplified opinions actually are educated on the topic enough to have opinions that mean anything. Especially relating to the war, when asked what evidence they have to support whatever they are ranting about, it quic...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:58 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23868

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

I'm with TheAmazingRando on that one, but that has nothing to do with the proof I'm asking for. By purely scientific standards (I have a belief in the validity of observable phenomena), can the existence of god be strictly disproved? I assert that it cannot. I believe, almost as surely as I believe ...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:58 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23868

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

Sorry I haven't responded earlier. (Super Smash Bros. Brawl!) If there's limited evidence, you can apply the scientific method. Indeed, there's always limited evidence. Absolutely, however, individuals will view the evidence with their own paradigm in all occasions, even those who are honestly tryin...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:05 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Westboro Baptist Church
Replies: 142
Views: 15230

Re: Westboro Baptist Church

I would have been on here more, but more important things came up (Smash Bros. Brawl!). So, Christianity and anti-gayness. Well, now this is complicated. There's a lot more going on here than whether or not God is opposed to homosexuality. I'll try to keep it short. A good majority of the western wo...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:36 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23868

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

...and that's what makes religion incompatible with the scientific method. I never said it was compatible, just that they are not exclusive. You can't use the scientific method for exploring the possibilities of what may be that we can't see. It also doesn't make sense to use abstract ideas to dete...
by theonlyjett
Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23868

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

Religion: Assume that certain facts are definitely true, without evidence. Optionally, reason about the world given these assumptions. End. Assume that certain theories are mostly accurate with potentially circumstantial evidence, and continue to acquire said evidence to strengthen and weaken said ...
by theonlyjett
Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:22 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Vampiritic electronic tattoos (not spam)
Replies: 135
Views: 14064

Re: Vampiritic electronic tattoos (not spam)

There's no way in hell that I'm getting a display on my arm!

I'd rather have it built into my contacts.
by theonlyjett
Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:57 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Artificial Intelligence
Replies: 186
Views: 22671

Re: Artificial Intelligence

I'm with Nath on this one. If they are human-like, how can we tell if they should or should not be treated the same way? I'd say it's far better to lean on the side of compassion with this one. I also don't feel that, at that point, there's any real reason to stay in control of them anymore than we ...
by theonlyjett
Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:31 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23868

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

I tend not to acknowledge any of this kind of argument based on one, singular reason: If it wasn't God, we would lock him up in either a prison or a psych ward. Whenever this is the case, the argument turns to repetitive rhetoric. Please explain this, I'm not sure how it applied to the quoted secti...

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