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by theonlyjett
Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23856

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

More or less. Finding all the viewpoints may be a little rough sometimes, so I figured a third would do wonders in many circumstances. If there's not a third point of view apparent, maybe just a disclaimer and invitation to contact the news center with information would suffice. I think it would cer...
by theonlyjett
Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:41 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Age of Consent in US
Replies: 297
Views: 27133

Re: Age of Consent in US

First, the supporting of teen mothers is an issue of welfare reform, not age of consent. The whole point of age of consent is to try to draw a line somewhere to protect minors from harm, either from older people, or themselves. In Michigan, from 13-15 there's a "less than five year rule." ...
by theonlyjett
Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:09 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Transexuality
Replies: 318
Views: 33546

Re: Transexuality

@ Gharbad: That actually answers my question very well, thank you. So basically, for you, the issues you have on the inside are more important to deal with then the other issues, which are dealing with people and are more noticeable to those around you, but ultimately more superficial to you. See, I...
by theonlyjett
Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

How do you mean? There are plenty of people who don't think anyone is obliged to be selfless or caring. How is this not subjective? Again, it's considered subjective because people want to lower their standards. However, the best thing that you can do for yourself and others is "best." No...
by theonlyjett
Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:45 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

I think I'm misunderstanding your position here. Are you saying that you agree that morality is subjective, but you refuse to say so? (I'm guessing no, but that's what your post seems to say.) Sorry for the confusion, but I believe that "good" or being selfless and caring about others not...
by theonlyjett
Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:31 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Transexuality
Replies: 318
Views: 33546

Re: Transexuality

I have a question for you, Gharbad. First, I consider myself Christian, although I'm learning more recently how atypical I am to what's considered the norm for that from both sides. So at this point, I'm just not convinced that this is the "ideal" thing. Not that there's any level of judgm...
by theonlyjett
Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:05 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

So yeah, I won't say that "good" and "bad" are subjective without a proper context. I automatically form a probability distribution. I don't choose any specific answer. See, now this is what I mean. I don't accept, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that god exists. What you said her...
by theonlyjett
Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:33 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23856

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

How would the third opinion rule work? I'm not sure exactly. "Due to the abundance of often incorrectly bifurcated positions, it is a journalist's duty to report third points of view on all topics of debate." Or something like that. I was hoping you could help with that. :) It wouldn't he...
by theonlyjett
Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:55 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

Ok, so where were we at? This is what I'm saying: things like goodness or badness, and whether they are desirable, are subjective. To an extent, sure. The problem with saying that it's completely subjective is that that then encourages selfish individuals to do what they want without regards to othe...
by theonlyjett
Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:36 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

Sure, you and I agree that 'being good' is a worthwhile objective, but do you agree that this in itself is subjective? There are people who are perfectly happy doing bad things, even if they realize what they are doing. Of course there are people who are happy doing bad things, otherwise we wouldn'...
by theonlyjett
Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:55 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23856

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

At what point did debating become person vs person rather then idea vs idea? Excuse me, what I meant to say was, "Ok, schmiggen, are you, in this instance, arguing against Kaiyas's analogy, or not? Please clarify." Why do people keep bringing up fallacies? It's part of arguing with logic....
by theonlyjett
Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:46 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23856

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

Ok, schmiggen, are you arguing for or against me? I only said it was a bad example cause he gave the "obvious analogy fallacy" (I totally made that up). That what I'm saying is like what he's saying, and what he's saying is obviously false, so what I'm saying must be false, too. At any rat...
by theonlyjett
Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:39 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

It's kind of a non sequitur to say: "God is good. Good things happen when people are good. Therefore, god wants you to do good things. Therefore, if you think god wants you to do bad things, you are wrong." Actually, that's not what I said. Just "it's better to be good," if we c...
by theonlyjett
Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:52 am UTC
Forum: Forum Games
Topic: I just came back from 1912....
Replies: 330
Views: 47254

Re: I just came back from 1912....

@ sleepygamer Sorry there was no "time" to talk when I freed you. But there's something you need to know. I'm revealing myself and you by leaving you this message here, I hope you get it before it's mod'ed out. Unfortunately, I have no other choice now, I will try to contact you later, if ...
by theonlyjett
Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:44 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23856

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

The media also thrives on sensationalism, and I would like much less supernatural/paranormal "theories" being set on the same level as scientific consensus. You and me both, brother. However, (evolution as example) just because I may believe that god did it, doesn't mean that I don't want...
by theonlyjett
Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:10 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

First, we can retread whatever we have to until we are on the same page, even if we never agree, just as long as it's civil and we don't succumb to the temptation to attack or to get angry enough to lose all sense of objectivity about it. or 'most likely to have positive consequences'? For me, yes, ...
by theonlyjett
Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:28 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

Ok, I'm back now. Now that I think we're mostly on the same page, I think it's safe to try to answer this. So the question is, given a more mundane explanation to an event and an explanation involving a deity, why have you chosen the deity? First, there's logic and my understanding of god. My curren...
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:07 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

Hehe, I doubt that's exactly what he's looking for. I believe the nature of my beliefs are justified with logic, but I have to take some time to answer it. In my defense, I thought I was answering because I assumed the question was invalid because it implied that there were only two choices and that...
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:21 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

Those are pretty big tenets of Christianity, and they are incompatible with science. The problem is when somebody feels like "faith" means "absolute certainty," and so, in time, convince themselves that those things are 100% factually correct. That is incompatible with science, ...
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:01 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23856

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

It is okay to say that we know, for almost-sure, the likelihood of many things about reality that we cannot observe at this time. Cosmology is not just a bunch of hearsay, for example. While the future can't be predicted flawlessly, we can often predict trends (obviously), and sometimes extraordina...
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:34 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

But this line of reasoning (correctly) invalidates some of the most important religious beliefs. Reincarnation, resurrection of Christ, virgin birth, existence of a soul, after life, moses parting the sea, the sun as wheels of a chariot flying across the sky, prayer. What are you left with, really?...
by theonlyjett
Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:22 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23856

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

Conformation bias implies lacking step 4. In fact, it is so indicated in that step. Affirming the consequent is not the same as confirmation bias. The thing is, science has no way to, "beyond the shadow of a doubt," prove anything, rather it uses the process of elimination to reject fault...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:38 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

You're right -- faulting people for merely attempting to ascertain anything about god is itself faulty -- but that's not just what people tend to do. And you're right, most people in general don't often think of it this way. But we all know this. You and I both know that there are quite a few athei...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

Yeah, I know as soon as I posted that this was just another matter of people not actually using logic to determine beliefs. See, this sort of reasoning is certainly not something I would ever advocate.
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

Real quick, I couldn't even watch that whole thing. It's very sad, and very frustrating. All relevant (read: important) things are completely left out of it for the sake of convincing kids that evolution is wrong. Evolution shouldn't make a difference to anybody. It's just another explanation (that ...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

You and I both know that there are quite a few atheists regularly on these fora that are simply not participating in this conversation right now because, at the moment it's being dominated by actual rational people who are not out to talk crap about people groups they think are stupid. Oops, spoke ...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:56 am UTC
Forum: Forum Games
Topic: I just came back from 1912....
Replies: 330
Views: 47254

Re: I just came back from 1912....

Ah well, we forgot to tape it, so they had some actors do it on a stage.
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:35 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

You mention a lot that you believe that God is embodied in the universe(correct me if I'm stating that wrong). That's an interesting view, and not one that I share (although I suppose we're probably both right to an extent). Just curious :). I think there's a few things I base that belief off of. 1...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:15 am UTC
Forum: Forum Games
Topic: I just came back from 1912....
Replies: 330
Views: 47254

Re: I just came back from 1912....

On a dare, I went to 1961 to see if I can get into the Apollo program so I could be the first person on the moon. I snuck some of my great great great great grandpa’s moonshine (don’t worry, I didn’t tell him who I was!) on the flight and me and the buzz got wasted!!!just before the moon walk. It en...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:38 am UTC
Forum: Forum Games
Topic: I just came back from 1912....
Replies: 330
Views: 47254

Re: I just came back from 1912....

See, and he said he'd be back...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:29 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23856

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

In the twentieth century, a hypothetico-deductive model for scientific method was formulated: 1. Use your experience: Consider the problem and try to make sense of it. Look for previous explanations. If this is a new problem to you, then move to step 2. 2. Form a conjecture: When nothing else is ye...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:15 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

"I do think god was necessary for it" + "I (at least presently) don't know how god works" = "In part, how it works is not a priority for me" For me it’s actually: “I do not think god is necessarily necessary for it” + “I don’t know how it works scientifically because I...
by theonlyjett
Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:12 am UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Anti-jokes
Replies: 185
Views: 20325

Re: Anti-jokes

You know what they say about a guy with big feet...
Spoiler:
He wears big shoes.
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:43 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

Well, now, this is interesting. 'Believe' and 'know' are pretty much synonymous in my mind, but clearly you are using a different definition for at least one of these terms. Could you clarify? When you say that you believe something, do you mean that it's probably true? That you're certain of it? S...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:09 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is violence the answer?
Replies: 75
Views: 6749

Re: Is violence the answer?

Yeah, I'd totally agree with that. I think there are circumstances in which violence is clearly the necessary thing to do, but that is actually not as often as we think. Again, CoS is not enough of an issue (for us who are relatively unaffected) to advocate violence. I wouldn't advocate destruction ...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:00 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23856

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

Kaiyas wrote:
theonlyjett wrote:Nor is it convincing enough to persuade me to set about denying all the previous evidence I have experienced concerning god's existence.
Alas, I'd pull the "science explains that" but that won't do anything will it? Plus, it isn't too good of an answer to begin with.
Let me answer this with a something I said in the religion thread.
theonlyjett wrote:Don't confuse, "I think god did it," with "god is the only explanation I see." Also, don't confuse "I think god did it," with "I don't care how it works."
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

It's better to realize that you can't be sure which way the die will land than to pick something just so that you have something conclusive to hang onto. Better to be uncertain than to be certain but wrong. I agree completely with this. Even Pascal agreed with this. That does not mean, however that...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:37 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion
Replies: 2000
Views: 189109

Re: Religion

This is the problem with picking your belief first and then looking for evidence. And yet, I've never met a person who's parents told them to not believe anything that anybody (even themselves) tells them until they see it with their own eyes. I'm sure there's a few out there, but only a few. The r...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:29 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is violence the answer?
Replies: 75
Views: 6749

Re: Is violence the answer?

I think I would be justified if, in direct self defense of my family with their lives directly at stake, I shot first. CoS, however, is not a good enough reason for direct conflict at this point. Education is what the focus should be on. On this matter, though, if we consider messng with their money...
by theonlyjett
Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:17 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science
Replies: 302
Views: 23856

Re: Apathetic Scientists Hurt Science

Now, if we can set up a little big border between science and religion, I'd be satisfied. Ok, now, from everything so far, this can only mean to me that there should be two rules. 1) The acceptence of supernatural beliefs as a viable answers in the realm of scientific study is not scientific. 2) Su...

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