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by Ghostbear
Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:07 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

That question I directed at PM? Yeah, wasn't actually about you and your opinion. Considering that PM and I are at relatively high levels of agreement, that I am fairly certain we can answer questions posed to other people, and that I've had similar questions tossed at me anyway: I don't think it m...
by Ghostbear
Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

The point is to better understand why you think circumcision is not okay, and what the consequences of that may be. You could just try reading my posts to figure that out though. Your questions do nothing to gleam a light on what you say you are trying to find out, because they really and truly all...
by Ghostbear
Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:41 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

To do this, I posit a situation, a hypothetical, in which something is F, G, and H but should not be banned. I'm talking about circumcision here, but it doesn't need to be. So long as there's anything that's F, G, and H but permissible, it cannot be the case that F, G, and H are sufficient for bann...
by Ghostbear
Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:08 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

I'm dying of curiosity, what might a concealed motive for circumcision be and why would you conceal it? From the previous paragraph of that post: "Parents will tend to decide to continue their culture, even to the detriment of their child, because they are going to believe that their culture i...
by Ghostbear
Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:41 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

And how are we defining a birth defect? If a part of the body is perfectly functional, but is somehow "abnormal" would you consider it a birth defect? I would go with the conclusions and consensus of medical experts on defining what a birth defect is or is not. Which gets to the whole poi...
by Ghostbear
Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:49 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Nuclear energy
Replies: 545
Views: 89729

Re: Nuclear energy

Has this been said? Nuclear power as is, is nonrenewable . Should we continue to operate on the assumption that "Yeah, something will come around, like fusion!" Or should we plan for the worst case and go for things that are renewable? There is only so much fissile material on this planet...
by Ghostbear
Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:29 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

Where are you getting this from? It sounds very dicy to me. Humans are wired to prefer physiological and aesthetics that do not include defects? How do you know? Through observation of the fact that across all the cultures that we know of -- including cultures that never interacted with each other ...
by Ghostbear
Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:01 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Apple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus
Replies: 132
Views: 32509

Re: Apple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus

So we actually had fair ruling based on historical evidence and the possibility of A being the logical extension of B. Good. That's... rare. But for context, did Apple attempt to block HTC sales there too? The global cases are part of the overall strategy.. If company A gets injunctions on Company ...
by Ghostbear
Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:51 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

Do you think it's possible that there might be *some* reason that could justify circumcision, or a similar procedure, that would not justify more significant forms of damage? Or is it absolutely, necessarily, an all-or-none deal? Does it matter? We aren't trying to write a universal doctrine of whe...
by Ghostbear
Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:19 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

[1] Outside of medical complications, the removal of a birth defect represents the enforcement of a cultural norm--nothing more. What about cases where cleft lip doesn't pose a significant medical concern (you have access to the knowledge and tools to feed your baby without risk of malnutrition; th...
by Ghostbear
Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:09 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

The fact is that one type of mutilation is okay while the other isn't because we all agree that cleft palates look ugly. I think the key difference with circumcision is that it is not correcting a birth defect ; another key difference is it has all medical negatives and no positives when dealing wi...
by Ghostbear
Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:31 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Hugs Bison detected at LHC
Replies: 43
Views: 12043

Re: Higgs Boson detected at LHC

That's pretty sweet. The article doesn't seem to cast any real doubt on the actuality of the discovery -- is this just a property of the source used, or does anybody know if this reflects the actual level of confidence that the scientists involved have in their conclusion? Side note: as someone who ...
by Ghostbear
Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:40 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

You can't think of a single decision that would to a permanent physical change that is accepted by society? What about: syndactyly correction surgeries, cleft pallet corrections, or hell taking your kid out in the sunlight which may lead to permanent freckling? My own ptosis surgery that I mentione...
by Ghostbear
Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:51 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

I don't think that one side is monolithic. I think that one subset of one side has a strong tendency toward caring more, because by definition circumcision is a significant religious practice for most of that subset. Outside of certain religious groups and porn stars, I doubt very many people stron...
by Ghostbear
Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:37 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

I'm not really sure I see the point you're making in all this. You seem to be emphasizing that Jewish people won't necessarily regard circumcision as important. But that's an unnecessarily strong requirement. All my argument assumes is that Jewish people will likely regard it as important. It is ob...
by Ghostbear
Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:07 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

How has that been ignored? The consistent response has been that those 18 years or so beforehand still count for something. How has it been ignored? How hasn't it been ignored? As far as I've noticed nobody replied to it -- that seems about as perfect a candidate for "being ignored" as yo...
by Ghostbear
Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:30 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

With that in mind, I don't see how a 72% success rate is a bad thing at all. If that number is reliable, then 72% of the kids affected will end up believing that they have been commanded by God to be circumcised. It's hardly crazy to think that that's an outcome worth preparing for. That statement ...
by Ghostbear
Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:26 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

I would like people to show that the stats are in their favor before banning an important part of a minority religion. How about two pages ago ? Seeing as how the principal reason have for being glad of it is religious or cultural membership, then the likelihood of that membership changing is as go...
by Ghostbear
Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:28 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

But the only dimensions which are relevant are the emotional ones. Then why have you spent so long saying we need to focus on two dimensions? Why were neither of them stated as "emotions"? It is horribly inconsistent. Beyond that, I disagree with this in the way it is being introduced to ...
by Ghostbear
Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:32 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

When I say I've been circumcised, and I'm not okay with that, what do I mean? Do I mean I'm not okay with the appearance of my circumcision? That's a (potentially) 'reversible state'--medical procedures could change the aesthetics. Do I mean I'm not okay with the violation that circumcision entaile...
by Ghostbear
Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:34 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

I believe I do understand what Great Hippo is saying here. He's not comparing the state of being circumcised versus the state of being uncircumcised. He's comparing the state of being circumcised at a given time to the state of being uncircumcised at the same time. Exactly one of those states is tr...
by Ghostbear
Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:33 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Apple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus
Replies: 132
Views: 32509

Re: Apple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus

I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing, but you realize that killing people does actually have a cost associated with it? Even if that cost only manifests as public backlash? I mean, this is pretty clearly the case, see outsourcing to sweatshops, and then the backlash at (for example) Apple over...
by Ghostbear
Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:22 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

'States' are abstracts; things we use to represent reality. Abstracts leak. I am not sure what you are trying to say with this, at all. The state of being uncircumcised is a different state than being circumcised. One of those states is capable of being transformed into the other state, while the o...
by Ghostbear
Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:03 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Apple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus
Replies: 132
Views: 32509

Re: Apple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus

Ghost war, consider frAcking. We have gas companies poisoning the water supply for a profit motive. Then they suppress the evidence of said poisonIng. When did I become a war? :?: The point I was making was that eventually, the ratio of how unethical the act is to how much additional profit it make...
by Ghostbear
Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:14 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 15151
Views: 2663289

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

To be fair, NH has one of (if not the) largest state legislatures per capita in the country. Each state representative represents 3,300 people on average . So you're going to have a high proportion of crazy shitheads, since there is a smaller population of non-shitheads to draw your representatives ...
by Ghostbear
Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:03 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

I accept the linguistic utility of 'permanence vs impermanence', and if all you're really saying when you describe circumcision as 'permanent' is that it's got a higher risk for unhappiness than non-circumcision (i.e., it's more likely for you to be unable to reconcile your circumcision than it is ...
by Ghostbear
Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:41 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Apple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus
Replies: 132
Views: 32509

Re: Apple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus

No longer juvenile. Still quite juvenile, actually. I would actually consider it significantly more juvenile. Good point. Companies are nothing but machines that remove emotion from what they do (ie: making a profit / innovating efficiencies). Useful machines mind you, but given their purpose, we n...
by Ghostbear
Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:13 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

If the reason I wish my parents circumcised me was because I had a hot date who rejected me on the basis of finding uncircumcised guys to be 'gross', then in what way does getting circumcised now 'fix' that? It doesn't, but you could have chosen, as an adult, to get a circumcision before that date....
by Ghostbear
Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:10 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

No there isn't. Everything represents an irreversible decision. Everything is permanent, period . Your parents' decision to move themselves and you to a different country represents a portion of your past that you will never, ever get back. Everything that follows--working that job to get some mone...
by Ghostbear
Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:48 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

(2) the risks and negatives far outweigh those benefits What is your basis for saying this, precisely? What analysis have you done to show how the pluses and minuses stack up? Princess Marizpan and gmalivuk basically responded to this for me already, but to add to what they said, there's the risk o...
by Ghostbear
Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:35 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

As for the human rights argument, you're saying that children have the right to refuse vaccines? Or medical procedures like chemotherapy? Or that they can refuse to go to school? Or even go to their aunts house? Or that kids can consent to sex, or sign contracts? Straw man much? Saying children hav...
by Ghostbear
Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:25 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Apple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus
Replies: 132
Views: 32509

Re: Crapple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus

Rather that being a limit, I don't see why I should provide any level of respect to a company (and by extension, that well-admired Steve Jobs, may he have died extremely painfully) that has shown itself again and again to be utterly and pathetically undeserving of any amount of it at all. Communica...
by Ghostbear
Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:12 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Apple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus
Replies: 132
Views: 32509

Re: Crapple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus

Crapple If this is the level of discourse that you insist on limiting yourself to, then I have no interest in trying to discuss it with you. Change the rules of the game, but don't blame people for following them. That's all well and good in a vacuum, until some of the players start doing what they...
by Ghostbear
Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:59 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

The fact that many, many people who are circumcised for religious reasons will be glad that it was done when they grow up? This has been brought up before, more than once. I had thought additional benefits were meant beyond that, especially since I felt that part of the sub-discussion meant in a no...
by Ghostbear
Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:55 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

You seem to be saying that, because one particular culture is outdated or wrong or whatever, the feelings that it's causing don't matter. I am not netcrusher, but I have been making a similar argument: what I am saying is that once that culture is annoyed because it can not impose it's values on ot...
by Ghostbear
Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:06 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Apple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus
Replies: 132
Views: 32509

Re: Crapple gets a ban on Samsung Galaxy Nexus

Can we not have such a juvenile topic title? I really dislike Apple, but calling them "Crapple" is really poor form and not fit for the level of discussion that we attempt to have here, just as using "M$" is. It's like a poison pill for the discussion. ----- I was going to say th...
by Ghostbear
Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:01 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Driver who killed girl in accident gets 15 years to life
Replies: 151
Views: 20186

Re: Driver who killed girl in accident gets 15 years to life

I agree that it doesn’t prove anything, but aren’t winners of the lottery indeed more likely to have bought more tickets than the average player, according to Bayes’ Theorem? It’s very weak evidence, of course – winning the lottery doesn’t mean it’s likely that you bought more tickets. The same is ...
by Ghostbear
Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:48 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

If you're including rights, on the other hand, you either have to make this a legal argument (something which I have been stubbornly refusing to do) or give some reason for why we are applying a right to a living being who is incapable of exercising it. Rights are not limited to legality. The peopl...
by Ghostbear
Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:05 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On Boys
Replies: 528
Views: 64925

Re: German Court Rules Religious Circumcision An Assault On

"Someone else" obscures the issue- the decision-makers in question are already imposing their values left and right on the infant, because the recipient is an infant . The roles are reversed with the gay marriage issue- here, the religious zealots want people to be able to choose for them...
by Ghostbear
Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Driver who killed girl in accident gets 15 years to life
Replies: 151
Views: 20186

Re: Driver who killed girl in accident gets 15 years to life

If speeding carries a (hypothetical and made-up) .1% risk of killing someone, then a speeder who kills someone cannot be assumed to have taken "extra" risks. They took the same risk as every speeder who didn't kill someone. I’m not sure what you are saying here – "If the risk of spee...

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