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by SFX
Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:39 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

SFX wrote:Then we can split hairs about what cold means. And you can tell everyone how wrong I am, and how you are right.
gmalivuk wrote:Except for those three hours when it was at 0, you mean?
That's the spirit.
by SFX
Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:37 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

In February of 1996, it got down to -12. So it's only "by far the coldest day they have ever experienced in their entire life" if they were less than 8 years old . Year is 2014. 8 year old would be born in 2006. February of 1996 would be 18 years ago. I'll let you figure out what is wrong...
by SFX
Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:58 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

According to the NOWData site you linked to, using the same Lambert Airport data, the minimum temperature in 2014 was -8. In February of 1996, it got down to -12. So it's only "by far the coldest day they have ever experienced in their entire life" if they were less than 8 years old. Ther...
by SFX
Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:50 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

Thanks for linking to that site. I'm all about the data. Thanks for figuring out where they got the data from. They used the big airport data, not the St Louis climate data. Of course they used an airport. It explains why their data doesn't match the climate data. They used the Lambert Internationa...
by SFX
Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:24 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

There are two problems with the argument in this comic. The first is that the current cold has set records across much of the continental US, including the low temperatures, number of cold days in a row, and the number of winter storms- it isn't just a return to the normal of the pre-1990's. Indeed...
by SFX
Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:52 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

Based on an early response in this thread, I checked almost all the numbers. By hand and by computer programs. http://i.imgur.com/tLSpRAD.png Is the data presented in the comic actually correct? I went and pulled data for STL from the NOAA website and it doesn't match what was published. Not only do...
by SFX
Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:47 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

Both locations in the St Louis metro area

Millstadt, IL
Millstadt (KILMILLS2) Elev 620 ft | 38.50°N, 90.12°W

94.8 °F
Feels Like 105 °F

Waterloo, IL
Hardy Acres / AA9UC (KILWATER12) Elev 696 ft | 38.33°N, 90.14°W

87 °F
Feels Like 89 °F
by SFX
Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:35 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

You know what forests do, aside from provide wood, mushrooms, clean water, humidity for clouds, shade, places for animals to live? They mitigate temperature spikes locally. -Crissa Yep. And they still do. Right at this very moment, in St Louis, you can look at all the different weather stations, in...
by SFX
Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:52 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

In the US since the 1970s, we've seen more record highs and fewer record lows with each decade. Not if you look at rural long term weather stations. The record hot temps only show up in city data, never in rural areas. Certainly it's true human's are causing the record heat. Just not in the way man...
by SFX
Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:48 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

Summers were not clearly hotter "a long time ago". Missouri summer data Summer average 1930-1940 77.4 F Summer average 1950-1960 75.8 Summer average 1970-1980 75.5 Summer average 1980-1990 75.9 F Summer average 1990-2000 75.1 Summer average 2000-2010 75.7 There were a couple very hot summ...
by SFX
Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:43 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

Wouldn't it be better to just stick to the comic when referring to the comic: 1970 to present, St. Louis only; perhaps a somewhat longer period to display alleged cherry-picking on Randall's end. He used St Louis as an example, no doubt due to the climatecentral using it in their cherry picked &quo...
by SFX
Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:16 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

Now you might think, "Well at least the summers in St Louis are hotter"", right? Sadly the NCDC data for the city is very limited, but the state climate data is pretty clear. http://i.imgur.com/GjQiBW6.png Well ain't that a kick in the pants. Seems even the hundred year trend shows co...
by SFX
Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:58 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

One thing some people think is influencing trends and temps is the UHI effect, a well known problem with cities vs forested areas, when it comes to temperatures. Large cities can be 10 degrees warmer than surrounding countryside. adjustments are made to the temp records to eliminate this bias. if th...
by SFX
Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:27 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

If you use the century trends, you'll see a great many states display striking positive trends in temperature. Not really. In fact, some of them show a cooling trend. Even over a hundred years. But this isn't a discussion about global warming, it's about a comic strip. That uses St Louis as an exam...
by SFX
Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:33 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

what those graphs show is that a linear trendline is simply not a useful indicator, when slight variations in period produce wildly different results. Unless you consistently compare the same periods, or, use a sufficiently large period to get a sense of an overall trend. Yes, using the long term d...
by SFX
Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:26 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

I thought the point of the comic was that a lot of people complained about the days <0°F and that it used to be common. That message hasn't been addressed. The metric of "days below zero" is used because climatecentral came out with their graph oright after the record cold of Jan6 2014. I...
by SFX
Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:03 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

Look, you can disagree with the comic's using below zero as its criterion for "like that", but it is absolutely true even by your own data that there hasn't been such a day since the 1990s. That's wrong. The reason "like that" is on the table, is because of the claim there hasn'...
by SFX
Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:06 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"
Replies: 879
Views: 154958

Re: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"

Anyway, it's telling and not a little ironic that actual temperatures are tracking " Scenario C " which was described (against all hope I'm sure) as "Rapid decline in CO2 emissions starting in around 2000" but of course 1/3 of ALL human-sourced CO2 since 1750 has been emitted si...
by SFX
Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:03 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"
Replies: 879
Views: 154958

Re: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"

So far every model I've seen that considers the effects of carbon dioxide arrives at global warming, and that explains our changing climate invokes our carbon dioxide, in order to make any decent predictions at all. And yet you claim to not know the first thing about the CO2 theory. That's a little...
by SFX
Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:20 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"
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Views: 154958

Re: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"

schapel wrote:
SFX wrote:Just explain it in a scientific manner. The theory.

I have no idea why you're asking me about this text I have never seen.
I did say "or anyone else".
by SFX
Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:12 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"
Replies: 879
Views: 154958

Re: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"

Well, you just found me out, didn't you? I doubt that very much. But if you, or anyone else, can explain in a couple of paragraphs, in your own words, (not some copy and paste job), what it is you mean by global warming, I'm sure we can tango. if you can't, you are not my dance partner. The first s...
by SFX
Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:50 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"
Replies: 879
Views: 154958

Re: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"

I actually thought there would be a lot more dancing around before we got to the point, but you went right for it. Thanks. One thing I've learned over the years, is this. (snipped for brevity) There is quite literally, nothing that will even touch their mind. I can't speak for anyone else, but I wou...
by SFX
Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:44 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"
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Views: 154958

Re: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"

One thing I've learned over the years, is this. The last thing that will convince anyone who has already made up their mind, is evidence. The slippery way the true believer evades any hint of being wrong, it's mind boggling. It really is. Even if there was global cooling for thirty years, glaciers w...
by SFX
Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:41 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"
Replies: 879
Views: 154958

Re: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"

There is so much self created fail on that idiot blog, it could be an entire topic about how bad it is. In the meantime, we can stop using this conversation from 1988 as a reason to be skeptical about the human origins of global warming. https://www.skepticalscience.com/Hansen-West-Side-Highway.htm ...
by SFX
Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:30 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0850: "World According To Americans"
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Re: 0850: "World According To Americans"

PayasYouDraw wrote:I don't even want to know how climate change was brought up.
Good lard. And I thought the current endless arguments over global warming were bad. This is monstrous.

What the hell?
by SFX
Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:03 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"
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Views: 154958

Re: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"

If only there was a topic here to argue about global warming in.

Forever.
by SFX
Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:52 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"
Replies: 879
Views: 154958

Re: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"

The style, the tone, the way global warmers talk to people, it doesn't even matter what they are saying. Nobody cares what somebody is saying when it comes across as talking down to a non-believer. Global warming is no religion, but the constant promoters of it certainly come across as religious nut...
by SFX
Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:44 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"
Replies: 879
Views: 154958

Re: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"

[So you're helping poor people...by making all lightbulbs more expensive. I'ma call bullshit. I got to agree with you. Also, you can't throw a dead mercury bulb in the trash, (well you can, but it's serious groundwater pollution in the landfill), and when they break (and lightbulbs always will brea...
by SFX
Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:35 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

Perhaps you should reread the comic? It's exactly the comic I am speaking about. Quote "You're from St Louis, right? On average, it used to get below 0 degrees F a handful of days per year. But you haven't had a day like that since the ninetie s." Really? The facts are actually more like,...
by SFX
Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:39 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: Revisiting 1321: Cold

You might as well taken the last data point, the extremely cold winter, and gone 'SEE! Global warming is a myth, look how cold this winter was!' Nope. What I did was simple and direct. I used data, evidence to show winters have been trending colder in the time period the strip was talking about. Wh...
by SFX
Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:54 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

OK that is great. You use a map that shows the winter trend for Missouri is colder since 1990
Image

Now you are "debunking" yourself.

Priceless
by SFX
Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:17 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

Heating Degree Days are a good way to get a feel for how cold winters are, like Cooling Degree Days are for summers. Yes, and the HDD data shows why the xkcd strip is so wrong. The February data shows it clearly. Winters getting colder since the relatively warm 80s and 90s. http://i.imgur.com/T3ez5...
by SFX
Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:33 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"
Replies: 879
Views: 154958

Re: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"

"Whether temperatures have been warmer or colder in the past is largely irrelevant to the impacts of the ongoing warming."

Oh my. Is that for real? Seriously? That has to be a Poe.
by SFX
Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:03 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"
Replies: 879
Views: 154958

Re: 1379: "4.5 Degrees"

Is there no general global warming topic on the forum?

Seriously. Where is it?
by SFX
Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:20 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

The thing is, anyone who actually wants to know can look for themselves. You can even look at the St Louis weather centers, or the climate station there. All of them show the same thing, even after adjustments. it's not warming in winter there. The climatecentral cherry picked graph, which is truly ...
by SFX
Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:56 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

If looking at the actual data won't matter, (and it will not), then what will? Here's the winter trend http://i.imgur.com/X9Tl292.png Yet climatecentral (and a bunch of other people) want you to believe winters are getting warmer, and it's human caused. I showed you twenty years of NH land temperatu...
by SFX
Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:47 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

And why do all trendlines ignore the part that doesn't suit the conclusion (i.e. the first half of the graph)? People often use a short time period to make a point, like the xkcd strip is trying to do. http://i.imgur.com/xd4kSm1.png Why not show the entire series? Why start at the coldest point of ...
by SFX
Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:44 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

I doubt we will ever see a strip joking around how in the US, all the while we are told it's warming at a rate never seen before, in reality, winters have been getting colder, not warmer. (just like most of the NH) http://i.imgur.com/VL6eEIo.png Note the extreme global drop in temperatures, just fro...
by SFX
Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:33 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

But that is just one state. http://i.imgur.com/Yw0kAfGl.png But the US isn't the entire world! http://i.imgur.com/sKDArIo.png But that's cherry picking one Hemisphere! http://i.imgur.com/opzZDCs.png But that doesn't show the entire world is cooling! ?? Wait, I mean, "it's too short a time perio...
by SFX
Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:26 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1321: "Cold"
Replies: 517
Views: 94296

Re: 1321: "Cold"

"There hasn't been a cold day like that since the nineties"

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