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by Dark567
Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:59 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Philosophy
Replies: 4
Views: 828

Re: Philosophy

Hm, Well, I would like to think that the only real problem with Philosophy is that Aristotle started it all with "I think therefore I am" which is quite a confusing predicament which can take you any direction you please. However if philosophers could follow the simple rule "I think ...
by Dark567
Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:45 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion and Science, Mutually exclusive?
Replies: 289
Views: 27154

Re: Religion and Science, Mutually exclusive?

Sure, and it's true that most scientists do believe in a lawful universe. But even without logical justification for that belief, there's the pragmatic one, which doesn't exist for religious beliefs. (Namely, by believing in a lawful universe you can rationally make decisions with the expectation t...
by Dark567
Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:43 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Morality is like DNA
Replies: 41
Views: 4185

Re: Morality is like DNA

Instead, I'm proposing that if we want an objective structure, we have to judge a moral system by the results it produces, not by the quality of the structure. The only thing a Moral system can be judged by is the quality of its structure. The only possible way to judge morality on its results is t...
by Dark567
Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:52 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is it right to kill?
Replies: 147
Views: 15755

Re: Is it right to kill?

How do you know killing is always wrong if consequences are always semi-unpredictable? Also the point about "you could still be doing more harm by killing him" is solved by pure science. Because the consequences of the action aren't what matter. What matters is if we all killed, we would ...
by Dark567
Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:42 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is it right to kill?
Replies: 147
Views: 15755

Re: Is it right to kill?

If you consistently apply this logic, how are you not paralyzed by your lack of omniscience? It's impossible to know if everyone will stop at a red light, though they usually do; it's well known that sometimes, they don't. And yet, I imagine you are able to bring yourself to continue on through gre...
by Dark567
Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:31 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion and Science, Mutually exclusive?
Replies: 289
Views: 27154

Re: Religion and Science, Mutually exclusive?

No, that's not what I said. If what we believe is the full conditional, instead of just X, then there's no faith in a lawful universe required to support that belief. Your right, there isn't. But to believe X you still need to believe in a lawful universe. Which I took X to represent scientific sta...
by Dark567
Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:27 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion and Science, Mutually exclusive?
Replies: 289
Views: 27154

Re: Religion and Science, Mutually exclusive?

But you don't need to have faith in induction to use science reliably. Just interpret the scientific statement X as really meaning, "If we live in a lawful universe where the future resembles the past, then X". This full conditional statement could be true even if the first clause of happ...
by Dark567
Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:17 pm UTC
Forum: Computer Science
Topic: Should I learn Lisp? And which dialect?
Replies: 29
Views: 18649

Re: Should I learn Lisp? And which dialect?

Yes, even though you might never use it, but because learning LISP makes you a better programmer in any language.
by Dark567
Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion and Science, Mutually exclusive?
Replies: 289
Views: 27154

Re: Religion and Science, Mutually exclusive?

well thought out, though. I have to disagree when you say that science is based on faith because it puts stock in testability. Reliance on a wordly, testable, provable system is not faith. It is the antithesis of faith, IMO. Faith tells us to accept something without proof. Science demands proof, o...
by Dark567
Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:06 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is it right to kill?
Replies: 147
Views: 15755

Re: Is it right to kill?

The realist here says "You have to kill the killer to reduce the overall number of killings." The idealist says "Killing is always wrong, so it's wrong to kill anyone, even a murderer." I'm think more along the lines of the consequentialist says "You have to kill the killer...
by Dark567
Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:32 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35116

Re: Utility of Religion

Because it matches our intuition, and it has held up very well. "Well" is a value judgment, as such you can only make that judgment in moral system. If we tried to do so scientifically, I would describe it as behavior that opposes self interest and maximizes some sort of fitness function ...
by Dark567
Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:32 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Utility of Religion
Replies: 301
Views: 35116

Re: Utility of Religion

The morality that a-religious people seem to defend is don't kill, don't rape, don't steal, and don't treat people like a dick. A bunch of don't's, but no do's. But intuitively we know that helping others, giving money and time, caring about others are all good things to do. Why don't they show up ...
by Dark567
Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:54 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: How to fix corporate america
Replies: 98
Views: 9422

Re: How to fix corporate america

I don't particularly see anything wrong with this situation. It reduces or removes market incentives to produce better products for less expense - making all our lives worse as a result when people get scammed into low-quality product. It makes the peoples lives who got scammed worse, not yours. If...
by Dark567
Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:39 pm UTC
Forum: School
Topic: What is/was your college GPA?
Replies: 64
Views: 10245

Re: What is/was your college GPA?

For Princeton/Stanford you should be aiming for probably around a 3.6+, but there are a lot of other important factors when going to a good grad school.(good recommendation letters are vital when applying to those grad schools, much more so then when applying for an undergrad degree) That being said...
by Dark567
Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:33 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion and Science, Mutually exclusive?
Replies: 289
Views: 27154

Re: Religion and Science, Mutually exclusive?

However, I believe that life revolves around making good decisions, not advancing science. My theory in general is that religions are a collection of wisdom and a means to get people to implement them in their lives. It's the best system for that job that we have every known. How about Utilitarian ...
by Dark567
Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:56 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Homosexual Marriage?
Replies: 394
Views: 35768

Re: Homosexual Marriage?

The problem arises when you get rid of marriage. In that case, one would have to go out of one's way to set up contracts detailing every item. The way things stand, it is very easy (for different-sex couples, at least) to get married, an act which automatically brings with it years of legal precede...
by Dark567
Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:39 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: (trying to) Vote out Ahmadinejad (+Twitter War resources)
Replies: 307
Views: 18586

Re: (trying to) Vote out Ahmadinejad (+Twitter War resources)

There's censorship and manipulation and all candidates are government approved etc.. etc... but rigging the election itself just doesn't look like it happened. It doesn't even make any sense for them to do it to be honest, and if they were rigging it, they'd have made it closer. It's just a non-sen...
by Dark567
Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Homosexual Marriage?
Replies: 394
Views: 35768

Re: Homosexual Marriage?

Nitpicking about the difference between a privilege and a right makes no nevermind when the criterion for deciding who gets that privilege/right is based on something over which those requesting the privilege/right have no control (i.e. sexual orientation). I actually completely agree with this. An...
by Dark567
Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:43 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Homosexual Marriage?
Replies: 394
Views: 35768

Re: Homosexual Marriage?

Please explain to me (and everyone else) how believing that all adults should have the same rights under law is a leftist sentiment. I don't think he's saying that "believing that all adults should have the same rights under law is a leftist sentiment." I think what he means to say is exp...
by Dark567
Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: How to fix corporate america
Replies: 98
Views: 9422

Re: How to fix corporate america

Yes. Please. I'm absolutely aghast how drastically inferior products can remain afloat on a mile high platform of profit because of advertising in America. Think, Larry the Cable Guy. Sure, he has some funny jokes, but most are not particularly better than any comedian who can at least regularly bo...

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