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by Pfhorrest
Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:50 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2030: "Voting Software"
Replies: 45
Views: 8943

Re: 2030: "Voting Software"

Even with paper ballots, how and when is any individual supposed to be sure that their vote was counted correctly? I go down to the polling place, or mail in my ballot, and get a little slip of paper that's some kind of confirmation receipt that I voted. The next day I see that the election went the...
by Pfhorrest
Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

Owned, or mortgaged? Interest is just rent on money, so it's still rent. If things are just shifting from renting land directly to renting money instead, that's not really an improvement.
by Pfhorrest
Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

Ah, so you're more bothered by rent if owning is not an option, not when a choice exists between the two. And by rent making owning less of an option, because it benefits the owners-of-excess more to rent it out than it does to sell it. If renting it out was not viable, their options would be sit o...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:44 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

There's a difference between something you buy to consume, which then doesn't exist any more so you will need to buy more if you need more later; and buying something to use, which you still have after you've used it, and you can continue to use as long as you like (modulo the inevitable decay of ev...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:44 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

Maybe double-posting, don't want to get ninja'd: In markets where there is bountiful, nigh-unlimited supply available, rent doesn't seem like a problem, but not because it isn't a problem, just because you can always just go around the problem. Alice wants to rent something out and Bob doesn't want ...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:53 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

The issue being ignored in the part of this discussion about housing rent is land . I barely give a shit about the cost of the structures someone lives in; that shit is cheap in comparison. It's the right to put it somewhere that's a problem. And land is in inherently limited supply: you can't make ...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

Housing rent, as I've already said many times, is my biggest concern. Including housing lending (mortgages), because interest is just rent on money. as those are contracts made under duress. If I hold a gun to your head and tell you that you have five minutes to get five miles from me before I start...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:41 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

Farmland rent is not the biggest of problems today, sure, but I didn't start in on that, that was just responding to Jose's nonsequitur about grocery stores, and how far-removed from anything resembling a problem they are, in compared to things that are much more problematic and much more obviously ...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:14 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

[T]he capital-owners who demand money from people if they want access to the things they need to survive, which in turn requires people to go out and work for others, are the problem. You mean, like...grocery stores are the problem? No, and wow, I wonder if you're being willfully obtuse here. (But ...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

People seem to be fundamentally missing the point of the hypothetical one-person-owns-everything scenario. Given “libertarian” laws, that scenario is essentially tyranny and slavery because the one owner can deny anyone everything and leave them to die if they don’t do what the owner wants, because ...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:14 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2028: "Complex Numbers"
Replies: 48
Views: 6473

Re: 2028: "Complex Numbers"

I was under the impression that people still defended constructivism today. Are they just crazy or are there legitimate arguments still ongoing?
by Pfhorrest
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

I was editing this into my previous post but I've been ninja'd meanwhile... on the topic of enthusiastic consent vs coercion: you understand that coercion is not only on threat of violence, right? Like, a guy tells a girl he'll spread some horrible humor about her around their college if she doesn't...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

If one person owned literally all wealth, then yes, you would no longer have choice, and people would only be as free to choose as that individual is benevolent. Given the track record of one person having ultimate power, this seems to be a poor bet. Fortunately, this is not the case. If one fracti...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:33 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

Things like "consented more" don't really matter from a libertarian perspective. Then it looks like that's yet another failing of the libertarian perspective. Actually, I think that nice bright line between consent or not could be a great aspect of libertarianism, if we actually took the ...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:02 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

The former is a natural principle of the world. You've got to work at something because you require food and shelter. Nobody is doing this to you, the situation would exist if you were the only person on earth. By this principle, land rent more like the latter than like this, because the only reaso...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:59 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2028: "Complex Numbers"
Replies: 48
Views: 6473

Re: 2028: "Complex Numbers"

So you've got nothing, which is not, initially, seen as a number. Then something, which is, likewise, not seen as a number yet. Then multiplicities, the first real "numbers", which are the products of adding several somethings together. Then comes the thought of what do you call it when yo...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:38 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

I just thought, if you were not making reference to it yourself, you might enjoy reading about Rawls' Original Position concept, which is a great formalization and elaboration of the idea. FYI Rawls is the main contemporary opponent of Nozick who is the main contemporary advocate of libertarianism (...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:49 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

Jose are you familiar with Rawls or did you just come up with the same concept on your own right now?
by Pfhorrest
Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:41 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7985
Views: 613555

Re: Trump presidency

What happens if a parent loans a child money and never forgives it but dies before it's paid off? Does the child still owe the money to the parent's estate... which they then inherit, paying inheritance taxes?
by Pfhorrest
Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:35 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2028: "Complex Numbers"
Replies: 48
Views: 6473

Re: 2028: "Complex Numbers"

Old Bruce wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:Have you tried logarithms?

This may be the only thing about this cartoon (and all the comments) that I understand, just can't recall the original reference. So I'll give you an internets for it.

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by Pfhorrest
Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:12 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2028: "Complex Numbers"
Replies: 48
Views: 6473

Re: 2028: "Complex Numbers"

Do these problems continue in higher dimensions, eg is an ordered pair of complexes not enough to make a quaternion?
by Pfhorrest
Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:27 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2028: "Complex Numbers"
Replies: 48
Views: 6473

Re: 2028: "Complex Numbers"

here's that news story i mentioned https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-octonion-math-that-could-underpin-physics-20180720/ Moonfish, cannot any ordered pair of reals be mapped one-to-one to a complex number just by turning (x,y) into (x + yi)? With such a one-to-one mapping, how are the sets not iden...
by Pfhorrest
Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:46 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2028: "Complex Numbers"
Replies: 48
Views: 6473

Re: 2028: "Complex Numbers"

tehre was a recent new story about how the staandard model vould maybe be reforumated using octonions instead of matrices
by Pfhorrest
Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:20 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

Texas is notorious for housing shortage? I thought Texas was the land of dirt-cheap $200k McMansions? (And I say dirt-cheap because out here in California, $200k will literally buy you a plot of dirt with nothing on it. If you're lucky.)
by Pfhorrest
Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:02 am UTC
Forum: Your art and links
Topic: The Chronicles of Quelouva
Replies: 137
Views: 35183

Re: The Chronicles of Quelouva

On the topic of inspiring music, and Westworld/Otherworld connections, I've been listening to the Westworld soundtrack a lot lately, and their rendition of Radiohead's " Exit Music (For A Film) " brings to my mind tearful images of the end of the Otherworld series, the same part I spoke of...
by Pfhorrest
Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:56 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

Short and exaggerated answer because I don't feel like it otherwise: for the same reason that keeping true but embarrassing information about someone secret is fine, but charging someone for that "service" isn't (we call it "blackmail"). You're extorting money out of someone in a...
by Pfhorrest
Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:24 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

Why do you suppose rent the housing arrangement and rent the abstract economic concept have the same name? Might it be that one is an example of the other? Housing rent has its origins in feudal land tenure where you have to pay whoever is the designated lord of the land — its local government — for...
by Pfhorrest
Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:39 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

I'm dubious about the accounts of "socialism ruining Venezuela" since from the little I've read into that situation it's a lot more complicated than that, but setting that side for a moment and for the sake of argument running with the thesis: if the problem is that wealth does correlate (...
by Pfhorrest
Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:00 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

We're not talking about people who provide access to wealth, we're talking about people who are the gatekeepers to wealth. They don't magically transport people to the faraway land of wealth where nobody would otherwise be able to reach. They stand between the wealth and everyone else. Getting rid o...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:14 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

A stateless society is one with no government. This is literally definitional. So I guess we're just into flat contradiction now, because that is not definitional. It's a common assumption of equivalence, like the assumption that "free market" and "capitalism" mean the same thin...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:26 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

You're missing the point. A government is not necessarily a state. That's like saying "education is not necessarily religion". Which probably sounds obvious to us in the modern day, but from the viewpoint of a person back in the era when all universities were church-run, if you talk about ...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:27 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

An “ungoverned state” is the opposite of anarchy in two ways: anarchy does not have a state, but it must have governance in order to prevent a state from arising. Anarchy is stateless government, not an ungoverned state.
by Pfhorrest
Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:52 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2026: Heat Index
Replies: 30
Views: 3541

Re: 2026: Heat Index

Living as I do in coastal Southern California, the normal weather here most days of the year is hot and sunny but dry and slightly breezy. I still sweat when I got out for hikes, and my clothes still feel damp from sweat when I get back, but never soaked like I ran through a sprinkler, and it's a ra...
by Pfhorrest
Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:22 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2026: Heat Index
Replies: 30
Views: 3541

Re: 2026: Heat Index

Is there a combined index that accounts for not just temperature and humidity but also wind chill? Wind chill pulls the perceived temperature down just like humidity pulls it up (for the same reason, aids/impedes perspiration evaporation), so that would be an important factor in calculating how warm...
by Pfhorrest
Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

Doing this would be horrible for future investment. It'd basically be setting our entire economy on fire. Ultimately, land has value because there is someone there to buy it. If the rich are all leaving, and those outside the country cannot own land, then you have to sell it to the poor who remain....
by Pfhorrest
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:23 pm UTC
Forum: Fictional Science
Topic: The theory of everything shouldn't exist
Replies: 11
Views: 2034

Re: The theory of everything shouldn't exist

The fundamental stuff of reality is a mathematical structure, and all mathematical structures reduce to sets, starting with the empty set and then putting that into itself and so on. It’s all a bunch of nothing, nested within itself. All operations are likewise reducible to set operations which are ...
by Pfhorrest
Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

The reason a UBI isn't libertarian is because it's something that requires an authority to decide how much people deserve. I agree with this (and much of what else you wrote) on abstract principle, but on the comparison of the kind of right-libertarianism this thread is apparently meant to discuss,...
by Pfhorrest
Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

It's quite a demand to raise taxes for that goal. For the vast majority of people (~75% in the US), it would amount to a reduction of their taxes; in practice either way, but if implemented as a tax credit, then directly and literally. See my earlier post on the topic. For most of those remaining ~...
by Pfhorrest
Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:40 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Wanted: Your Loss Memes
Replies: 19
Views: 3277

Re: Wanted: Your Loss Memes

is this just a reference for the sake of reference or something? I am at a total loss but this smells like 4chan and tempts me to hate it as intentionally obscurantist bullshit
by Pfhorrest
Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:28 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 39587

Re: Libertarianism

The context where that bit you quoted came up was a comparison of BI to something like SSDI. In either case you just get cut a check each month, and the big difference I was highlighting was how easily you can lose that check by trying to better yourself, currently. Jose said that cutoff could be el...

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