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by Trebla
Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:03 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

We never saw a super volcano explode. This however is not proof it never nor will never happen. As far as I can tell, I can easily extrapolate what the effects of such growth would be, and how to distinguish it from slow geological changes. That's the kind of thing I'd want to see, which one is whi...
by Trebla
Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:56 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

4) It's not. As mentioned, assuming .5km elevation and .5km ocean depth, there is enough water. Assuming 8km mountains it's not. I need to remove on or the other assumptions via evidence, right? Plates move, geology changes. It's a equal probability for either in my mind so far. I'd need data to sh...
by Trebla
Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Trebla, I'd ask why we expect to fly to mars, as it's further than the moon. We never saw that it's possible to get that far, have we? Or do we just extrapolate? The same applies to human life spans. Why consider there cannot be an extension under certain circumstances? As to the evidence involved,...
by Trebla
Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:45 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I'd say I've got no evidence backed counter theory to say they did not live longer. I've seen life expectancy increase with changes in exposure to disease, physical harm or nutrition. Let alone genetic or other factors. So, why would I consider it to be wrong to say a person could or did live longe...
by Trebla
Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:34 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

As to peoples age. What observation do I have that people cannot live for longer periods of time than they do currently? Your question is very misleading. People CAN live longer. What observation do you have that people DID live longer than they currently do? What testable observation do you have t...
by Trebla
Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Um, anything digital draws circles. They are usually represented in 90 degree angle "quanta". I guess. It depends on the accuracy of measurement. To claim there is no 90 degree angle, needs the utmost accuracy of statement. That's why I've asked further on the scientific claims, they requ...
by Trebla
Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:15 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I'd say that was true only if each side of the argument is using opposites (generals against specifics), if both use general, or both use specific, then it matches, right? If we claim "no curves allowed", then we can both draw our shape with polygons/angles. But if one side calls "no...
by Trebla
Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

This is where the "generals V specifics" problem comes in. You've helpfully demonstrated that the general "global flood" is wrong to the specific "mountain ranges of the earth". Well, that's an unfair comparison, so no, it does not show the bible wrong yet. If we wish ...
by Trebla
Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:58 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Okay, Technical Ben, I'm not playing this game anymore until you answer the following question: Do you believe the Bible is literally true? The answer is either 'Yes' or 'No'. Of course the answer is 'both.' The parts that are demonstrably false are not literally true. The parts that can't be check...
by Trebla
Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:40 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Because really, nothing is impossible--just intensely improbable. To be fair, some things are impossible by definition... "a square where all points on all edges are equidistant from any point in the same plane" is impossible because it requires two mutually exclusive things. Omnipotence ...
by Trebla
Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:45 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Yes,Tyndmyr, I'd say if going by that amount of rainfall, it's probably asking for too much. As to how mundane the example is. Here is a quick search for mega floods. You're calling these mega-floods when they contain less than 0.00001% of the volume of water you're postulating caused a flood <6,00...
by Trebla
Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=38mm+per+min+over+40+days That's the one. That would be close to the limit of what is physically possible. It would also give us some what of an upper bound to the bibles claim. I think. You have got to be fucking kidding me. Please tell me you are fucking kiddi...
by Trebla
Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:07 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

PS, thanks Trebla, you posted while I was. Can you confirm there is not enough water to cover Everest at half height? I get there is, while you mention there is not. I guess we made different assumptions somewhere? :) I took the mean radius of the earth at sea level: 6,371 km And the mean radius of...
by Trebla
Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

gmalivuk. I can comprehend the equation and the physics involved. That's why I asked if your willing to post the same equation with an estimation of a mountain height of 7km, 4km, 2km and 1km. How much water is needed in those cases? Thanks. If you're curious, you really should do the math... other...
by Trebla
Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:14 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Thanks Trebla. The 2 inches was for the Himalayas. I guess mountains grow at different speeds. So, would you say that Everest is growing the fastest now, or grew the fastest in the past? You'd need very little water (in comparison to that in the oceans) to cover an Everest. It depends how long you ...
by Trebla
Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:59 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Well, yeah. I've never made that claim. :P The mountains would be at least 800m lower than they are today. Going by agreed measurements, the estimate of 2 inches per year (back of the napkin maths, so correct me if needed). Maybe I missed the agreement, but why do you think Everest is growing by 2 ...
by Trebla
Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

All this talk of calculations has gotten me curious (but too lazy to do it myself)... a good xkcd-what-if might be "What if enough water to recreate the literal Biblical flood were to be created over the course of 40 days and 40 nights and and then be uncreated over the next 10 months?" (O...
by Trebla
Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:50 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Go get a cup of water. Place it on the table. It covers around 5cm 2 area of the whole table. Probably less than 5% coverage. Tip over the cup, it's now 100% coverage. Catch the drops back in the cup. You have the same amount of water before and after, but you changed the coverage. Now, will you ac...
by Trebla
Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:41 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

I've not done that. I've accepted every claim of observation you have given. I have though check the accuracy, authority or predictive ability of each observation. So, although you tell me "populations must take thousands of years to get to today", I would just politely ask for the observ...
by Trebla
Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:20 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Thanks Trebla. Can you show me those sources and calculations? On what records are they based on? What is their accuracy? I'd need to see them. :) I would only consider it reasonable for Moses to ride a bicycle if we found evidence for it. I see neither the claim he did, not evidence for. I see bot...
by Trebla
Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:15 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

Have we checked either the mathematical expectation of population growth or the observations of the populations here? I could check these two things quite easily. What would the results show? That it's impossible for the flood to have happened, or quite possible and within the bounds of reality? So...
by Trebla
Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Religion: The Deuce
Replies: 5301
Views: 592428

Re: Religion: The Deuce

No, as I observe animals doing these things every day (eating grain, being tamed, reducing calorie intake, increasing genetic diversity, changing hunting habits, changing birth rate/breeding habits). Guess what changes these things 9 times out of 10? Selective pressures. Lack of choice. If that is ...
by Trebla
Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Capital Punishment/Death Penalty [Philosophy]
Replies: 92
Views: 17461

Re: Capital Punishment/Death Penalty [Philosophy]

Regarding fifistes post: There is difference between a "safe as much people as you can" situation where you can't avoid to decide who gets to live and a "kill more people than necessary" situation which the death penalty is. In other words: Deciding between two human lives who c...
by Trebla
Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Capital Punishment/Death Penalty [Philosophy]
Replies: 92
Views: 17461

Re: Capital Punishment/Death Penalty [Philosophy]

I don't believe in any inherent right to life that does not extend to all semi-sentient species, and I hold that it is a responsibility, as well as a privilege, and wilfully abusing it should lead you to losing it. If we're sticking to pure philosophy and not pragmatic hypotheticals, this "rig...
by Trebla
Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:49 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: What’s the best piece of advice you could give to everyone?
Replies: 121
Views: 29893

Re: What’s the best piece of advice you could give to everyo

This kind of goes along with "Make more of your meals at home" Produce some of your own food Whether that means you grow a tomato plant, start a garden, buy chickens, or just make your own jam. Many (most?) people will get some level of satisfaction from the self-sufficiency aspect, save a...
by Trebla
Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:43 pm UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Dice Puzzle
Replies: 16
Views: 5730

Re: Dice Puzzle

Solution: A 1, 1, 6, 6, 8, 8 B 2, 2, 4, 4, 9, 9 C 3, 3, 5, 5, 7, 7 Is my math wrong (Spoiler: it usually is) or is the proposed solution backwards from the claims? A is likely to be lower than B, B is likely to be lower than C, and C is likely to be lower than A, A vs B B vs C C vs A 1 vs 2 - B win...
by Trebla
Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:47 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: "The __ word"
Replies: 160
Views: 24877

Re: "The __ word"

It's a choice to be offended by words. You're applying cold, steely logic to an emotional response. I don't disagree, but unfortunately, that doesn't work for everyone. The OP wrote that he was uncomfortable typing (or speaking) certain words... he was introspective enough to question why he felt u...
by Trebla
Tue May 22, 2012 7:07 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?
Replies: 178
Views: 21009

Re: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?

Okay, you disagree. Why? Accepting option 3 of the Simulation Hypothesis reeeeeeeeeeally stretches the definition of theism and does so in a way that no current religion (that I know of) would accept as defining God or gods. It's not wrong to call it that, but it's outside the intent of the topic. ...
by Trebla
Wed May 09, 2012 4:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?
Replies: 178
Views: 21009

Re: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?

Thanks The Great Hippo. "Does not often" does not equal "never" though. It's the black swan I was referring to. Even just one example of a rational or evidence based conclusions on a monotheism or polytheism would go counter to the thread, right? Was Moses or Pharaoh being ratio...
by Trebla
Tue May 08, 2012 5:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?
Replies: 178
Views: 21009

Re: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?

This question about "What does monotheism mean?" seems pretty disingenuous. It doesn't need to be something that everyone agrees on, even... whatever it means, if it's the logical (I shouldn't have used the word rational) conclusion, then it should follow directly. And anyone arguing for i...
by Trebla
Fri May 04, 2012 3:40 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?
Replies: 178
Views: 21009

Re: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?

Where does the idea of an imposter to a God fall? Monotheism or polytheism? Or where does the idea of a God who delegates power and authority fall? Monotheism or polytheism? Seems to be a salient question. Monotheism seems to state, at its most basic level without any supposition of creation, omnip...
by Trebla
Thu May 03, 2012 6:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?
Replies: 178
Views: 21009

Re: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?

The Egyptians had eight, representing the female/male halves of the four primal forces, for example. Greek mythology had four "equal" initial gods as well, Gaea, Eros, Chaos and Tartarus. Though Greek mythology is generally seen as treating them as being congruent with the universe, not c...
by Trebla
Thu May 03, 2012 4:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?
Replies: 178
Views: 21009

Re: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?

So you're saying the machine itself would be god? Though actually, the machine would be more the physical strata... god would be the instruction set, the program? Hm... would the creators also be gods, though? What if there's an interface to allow them to directly meddle with/guide the world over t...
by Trebla
Wed May 02, 2012 7:26 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?
Replies: 178
Views: 21009

Re: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?

The problem is that I agree with the conclusion that polytheism or atheism is supported equally well (or better) by the stated arguments for monotheism. What am I missing that causes these to be used as strong arguments for monotheism?
by Trebla
Wed May 02, 2012 2:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?
Replies: 178
Views: 21009

Is monotheism a non-doctrinal rational stance?

I suppose this could fit into the "Religion: The Deuce" thread, or even the "Is Atheism a Rational Stance?" thread. It seemed, however like a separate issue from the Atheism discussion, and a very specific aspect of "Religion" in general. Please merge if this thread is ...
by Trebla
Wed May 02, 2012 11:55 am UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Wandering jinn
Replies: 2
Views: 3706

Re: Wandering jinn

Some things are a little unclear to me. What does it mean that "All jinn must have the same orders"? In your example case, does that mean that... If the first jinn chooses to go clockwise, then all subsequent jinn must choose to go clockwise? Do orders change between rounds or do they cont...
by Trebla
Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:07 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is Atheism a Rational Stance?
Replies: 570
Views: 55253

Re: Is Atheism a Rational Stance?

By your own process you can't produce evidence of love of family. Love has no measurable content. It doesn't show up on any meter or device. Neuroscience hasn't found it in the brain(yet). Certainly there are acts which we associate with love. It appears to be evidenced by behaviors that we exhibit...
by Trebla
Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is Atheism a Rational Stance?
Replies: 570
Views: 55253

Re: Is Atheism a Rational Stance?

Perhaps I should clarify. The idea of God is easy to understand. It is understood as people NEED to understand it. I would point out that as a practical matter nothing can be consistent in detail from person to person, much less cross culturally. I offer as evidence this discussion and the word rat...
by Trebla
Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:09 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is Atheism a Rational Stance?
Replies: 570
Views: 55253

Re: Is Atheism a Rational Stance?

Why God is easy enough to understand. It's easier to believe there is something other than random chance in control, something you might be able to influence through worship. Also the society of whatever God you might wish to pick creates a group to belong to and all the benefits of membership in t...
by Trebla
Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is Atheism a Rational Stance?
Replies: 570
Views: 55253

Re: Is Atheism a Rational Stance?

"I have not been able to establish sufficient facts to oppose the existence of magic" sounds like perfectly good logic to me. English is a tricky language... this is a double negative. Remove the flourish and you get: "I can't not believe in magic" Which is the logical equivalen...

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