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by Trebla
Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 242566

Re: Citizen's Wage

I know this is going back a page or so and doesn't deal with the socialism vs capitalism discussion recently dominating this thread... But I saw this article today that highlights some of the same things we did in the previous couple pages also drawing a direct correlation between the potential shif...
by Trebla
Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:47 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8644
Views: 852859

Re: Trump presidency

But uhh Dubya was a threat to many institutional norms in America. Like how we vote, remember how we voted and then didn't get to actually have a President Gore? We didn't have a President Gore because Al Gore didn't win the election. He lost Florida by a slim margin, demanded a recount - and the r...
by Trebla
Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:27 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Abortion - Trump Thread Split
Replies: 21
Views: 6211

Re: Trump presidency

Unwanted children in general is also a problem in many communities. But the line is drawn at birth for some people, between "human" and "tissue". Pro-life supporters simply draw the line earlier. Once a baby is born, it is literally a crime to abandon the baby. Pro-life supporte...
by Trebla
Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:17 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Abortion - Trump Thread Split
Replies: 21
Views: 6211

Re: Trump presidency

IMO the only hope for the Democrats is to recognize that they might be on the wrong side of history regarding abortion. That does not mean they have to oppose abortion. But they have concede to that the right to abortion should be decided at state-level by democratic vote rather than be imposed by ...
by Trebla
Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:12 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: First Tesla Autopilot Death
Replies: 304
Views: 56789

Re: First Tesla Autopilot Death

Tesla cleared by investigators Not necessarily the most re-assuring results... selective quotes from the article: Tesla’s self-driving software, known as Autopilot, has proved adept at preventing Tesla cars from rear-ending other vehicles, but situations involving crossing traffic — as was the case...
by Trebla
Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:22 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 1149672

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

Do you know why every fucking banking site asks you "secret questions" like "What is your pet's name"?? Because it technically counts as two-factor authentication. This is a strongly regulated field as it is. Unfortunately, people don't actually understand what a security postur...
by Trebla
Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 242566

Re: Citizen's Wage

Forty-two husks per house, two husks per meal, 2190 husks for a year's worth of crops. 4380 husks are in circulation. Sunlight is free. Everything evens out; there is perfect equality. The husks circulate freely, so sometimes the builder will pay the cook extra for another meal, or the cook will pa...
by Trebla
Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 242566

Re: Citizen's Wage

The general thrust of the conversation thus far has been that we should convert over to a citizen's wage in preparation for these technological developments or because it is a better system than current social welfare systems, depending on who is doing the arguing. In either case, a pro-active appr...
by Trebla
Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:14 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 242566

Re: Citizen's Wage

Let's be fair... the vast majority of the data points on that chart hide the fact that the raw number of workers in agriculture held essentially constant while population exploded. Noting in fact absolute growth in the industry until the early 20th century. From https://www.agclassroom.org/gan/timel...
by Trebla
Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 242566

Re: Citizen's Wage

You need evidence. For exceptional claims, you need exceptional evidence. It is not sufficient that it has not been conclusively ruled out as a possibility. You need some good reason why it should be taken seriously. Same, same, all "Jesus is returning" or "the mark of the beast is w...
by Trebla
Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:38 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 242566

Re: Citizen's Wage

This. I have difficulty with claims regarding automation and AI breakthroughs displacing all jobs, etc. They border on religion when it comes to testability, particularly when they begin talking about the Singularity. You can dismiss absolutes like "AI taking all jobs " easily enough, but...
by Trebla
Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:04 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 27682

Re: Problem about free will

If "sentience" is not output from/part of the computer, what is it? ...snip irrelevant dictionary definition that dodged the question... Do you see a computer as a conscious entity and able to have thoughts and feelings? Yes. Absolutely. And if you don't see it as output from/an integral ...
by Trebla
Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:31 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 27682

Re: Problem about free will

Trebla "Your little test is meaningless." No. It shows that one can give up his free will to answer as they normally would to answer as I ask. Take it and see that this is a truth. You have now taken the test to prove you do not possess free will, I guess we're done here? "And you al...
by Trebla
Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 27682

Re: Problem about free will

Your little test is meaningless. You make a prediction that is inevitable (and if you were paying attention, you would notice posts that already started with the letter 'I') and then say when it's fulfilled, it proves something unrelated. How about this... you're now playing a game with me. The fact...
by Trebla
Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:58 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 27682

Re: Problem about free will

I do not know if a bot could do so or not but if it did, it would still be ignoring it's programming or not depending on the complexity. I do not think you or I can say what a bot is capable of until we find a good one. Emphasis added by me... can you give me any explanation of how a computer can i...
by Trebla
Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 27682

Re: Problem about free will

I have no supernatural belief and if you saw a claim of such then you do not read well. Get the quote where I make such a claim and I will help your vision. I gave you the quote where you claimed supernatural belief... I'll give it to you again. we can see our brains as a biological computer plus s...
by Trebla
Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:52 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 27682

Re: Problem about free will

Regardless of who or what the entity is, if it shows will and motion or decision, and it will or it will likely die, we are forced to say that it is his free will causing the motion, unless we can point to some other entity that is manipulating it. This explanation applies to SO MANY THINGS that we...
by Trebla
Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:26 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 27682

Re: Problem about free will

You would be whoever you think you are. If you do not know who you are then seek Gnosis. Trivially false... if I think I'm the first (best, strongest, biggest, etc etc etc) man alive, this does not make me that person. Does your computer have "free will"? Can it make choices based on what...
by Trebla
Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:30 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 1149672

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

The BBC had an article on low voter turnout in the US. They interviewed one young woman who said she wasn't voting because she didn't know enough about the candidates' positions, rather than learning more about them... I would be mortified giving an answer like that. What a stupidly lazy route to t...
by Trebla
Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:55 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 1149672

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

What Gore did is fundamentally different though. He never questioned the legitimacy of the process. He appealed the process, but that appeal was also within the rules of the process itself. And he accepted the results (admittedly though, many democrats seem to think he shouldn't have. So it's not j...
by Trebla
Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:44 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 1149672

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

The first paragraph of your quote sucks. I hate people who say they know and won't say how they know. I know things too and I'm not telling you how I know, but I know things. Yeah. I know. It is pretty reminiscent of... just about every conspiracy DT trots out there: "I've got investigators, a...
by Trebla
Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:31 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6957
Views: 1115966

Re: Police misbehavior thread

gmalivuk wrote:So about those cops...


I think most cops will use 'G' as a standalone unit. And when they use 'k' they're usually talking about kilograms of some substance or another.

Oh wait, that's not what you meant. :lol:
by Trebla
Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:51 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 27682

Re: Problem about free will

Analysis requires the brain, not the legs; either you did not know that or I do not understand your question. The latter is much more likely to be true than the former. Therefor, I do not understand what you are saying. Can you please explain your point again so that I do understand? Analysis requi...
by Trebla
Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:48 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future
Replies: 1922
Views: 388482

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Y'know, I think about community driverless cars, then I think about all the crap in the backseat of my car (jackets, work gloves, rain gear, misc garbage), the crap in the backseat of my roommate's car (hard hat, tools, jacket, high-vis vest, misc garbage), and the crap in my ex-girlfriend's car (b...
by Trebla
Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:27 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 1149672

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

That being said... it's one thing to worry about some of the bullshit he's throwing out about policy; a lot of it's pretty fucked up. But all of this worry over every random bit of crap that he says, and all this parsing and examination, it's just getting silly. But new policy BS doesn't change fre...
by Trebla
Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:45 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future
Replies: 1922
Views: 388482

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

IBM's Watson AI saved a woman from leukemia IBM's Watson has done everything from winning at Jeopardy to cooking exotic meals, but it appears to have accomplished its greatest feat yet: saving a life. University of Tokyo doctors report that the artificial intelligence diagnosed a 60-year-old woman'...
by Trebla
Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 1149672

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

The most important thing I noticed in Trump's comments was that he said "that Khan didn't have the right to claim in front of millions, that I did not read the constitution". Yes, he does. Technically it could be slander on the assumption that it's both false and damages Trump's reputatio...
by Trebla
Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Problem about free will
Replies: 126
Views: 27682

Re: Problem about free will

Zohar: That's exactly how I see free will too: I don't have free will - instead, I am forced to choose to do that which seems best to me. Fortunately, that's exactly what I'd choose to do if I did have real free will. So tis all good... While I'm inclined to agree, it has been pointed out to me (by...
by Trebla
Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:27 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2016 US Presidential Election
Replies: 8482
Views: 1149672

Re: 2016 US Presidential Election

The Paradox of Voting and Altruism Theory of Voting are interesting concepts that a lot of people in this thread recently seem to be flirting with. Whether through familiarity with the concepts or just a common sense approach that leads them to the same conclusion, I don't know. Interesting (and fai...
by Trebla
Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:03 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: First Tesla Autopilot Death
Replies: 304
Views: 56789

Re: First Tesla Autopilot Death

Doesn't really matter. Even if the Telsa was going much slower, the truck wouldn't have cleared the intersection in time. Just some back of the envelope calculation here... A quick Google search suggests loaded 18 wheeler can go from 0 to 60 in about 2 minutes. That works out to an average accelera...
by Trebla
Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: First Tesla Autopilot Death
Replies: 304
Views: 56789

Re: First Tesla Autopilot Death

Those pictures make it pretty clear that this was actually the truck driver's fault. The Tesla clearly had right of way. The truck should never should have attempted to cross that intersection when the road wasn't clear. The Tesla was going 74 in a 65 zone, so over the speed limit, but not so much ...
by Trebla
Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:21 pm UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Two puzzles for the price of 1!
Replies: 17
Views: 6062

Re: Two puzzles for the price of 1!

If sore and saw don't work, then you can just look at the box. You see what you saw. You take the saw and cut the float in half. etc. Alternatively, push yourself around the box until you wear yourself out. Pretty much your second solution there. If you can't break the box, the only way to escape w...
by Trebla
Fri May 06, 2016 12:47 pm UTC
Forum: Mathematics
Topic: A rectangle with rounded edges is not an oval
Replies: 22
Views: 19118

Re: A rectangle with rounded edges is not an oval

I can just picture it... there she is, standing alone in some park, he walks up to her and says "You were right." "I was... what?" she says, reaching tentatively for something in her purse. "The desks. They were in fact in the shape of an oval." "The... desks... w...
by Trebla
Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:45 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future
Replies: 1922
Views: 388482

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Frankly, I'm stunned at how well the TayBot does natural language processing. It looks to be far more competent than any chatbot I've looked at before. That's just your reminder that we're living in the future... which is apparently full of racist people AND machines. While it's a pretty amazing ad...
by Trebla
Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:00 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future
Replies: 1922
Views: 388482

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Microsoft should have programmed a response for negative stimuli. Here is an easy example of what they could have done: If sentence contains ("hate" or "evil" or "kill") and ("Jew" or "Jews" or "Nazi" or Nazis"), then respond ("L...
by Trebla
Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:38 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future
Replies: 1922
Views: 388482

Re: The wool To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

So, if a human is playing a game on a computer, does that mean the computer always wins, since it is the computer who draws the pieces? Poor humanity, turns out we never beat (or even played?) the A.I. at StarCraft or Counter Strike after all... we were just giving it advice and it was making the m...
by Trebla
Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Ethics of Suicidal Action
Replies: 12
Views: 7542

Re: Ethics of Suicidal Action

"I value my life because I have fun." "Others value my life because I help them have fun." The latter may seem a bit more objective, but it is still rooted in the subjective sense of having fun (whatever that it taken to mean). And the statement "I'm not worth anything"...
by Trebla
Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:34 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6957
Views: 1115966

Re: Police misbehavior thread

They also get to schedule an election. One time, I took a shortcut through a church and I found out they were having a local election. Nobody in the city knew except for the party insiders, who handily won in a landslide. Am I the only one who's curious what type of shortcut takes you through a chu...
by Trebla
Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Should religion be illegal for children?
Replies: 289
Views: 68285

Re: Should religion be illegal for children?

"Morality" is more or less a statement about the kind of world we want to live in. "Objective morality" is nonsense, but there is another thread for that. This makes the most sense to me... "objectively moral" sounds as fallacious as "objectively funny." Ther...
by Trebla
Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Creationism sub-thread
Replies: 354
Views: 55180

Re: Creationism sub-thread

Parents having any direct say in their individual children's curriculum is entirely unacceptable to me. And I don't really much care what it is you intend to shield children's malleable young minds from, that is also an unacceptably broken model of what education is meant to do (and synonymous to m...

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