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by LaserGuy
Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:39 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D3 - Assessments

In the case of scum!wam and scum!Sabrar you would know that heury's claim was fake. And why would indie!heury claim scum!me as Town? And please don't say Guardian Angel, this contradicts that particular scenario. I think him claiming you as scum would probably be playing against his wincon if he we...
by LaserGuy
Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:32 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D3 - Assessments

wam wrote:And how would scum wam know that indie huery was and indie?


In the case of scum!wam and scum!Sabrar you would know that heury's claim was fake.
by LaserGuy
Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:05 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D3 - Assessments

plytho wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:
Also please answer my question from D2.


Town!heury and Town!wam are mutually exclusive, but indy!heury gives us no info about wam.
Wrong. You think scum!wam would counterclaim indie!heury?


It's a low risk play that clears two scum as Town. Why wouldn't he?
by LaserGuy
Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:56 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D3 - Assessments

Vote: Maven

@somitomi: Who do you think is scum? Is there any particular reason you seem to be having such a hard time reading/analysing this game?
by LaserGuy
Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:32 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D3 - Assessments

I think you can probably safely discard scenarios involving Town!heury. I suppose there's an edge case where heury was redirected, but that would be a very unlikely and unlucky series of events. what do you mean by that series of events? The odds of heury targeting Sabrar (Town cop would not lie ab...
by LaserGuy
Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:02 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D3 - Assessments

Right, so, wam vs heury. Two cops doesn't make sense. So not town-town. Town-scum: could be. Wam waited for the counter claim until pressured by Sabrar. Scum hid heury's flip so we wouldn't know he's scum and we can't find connections. Scum-town: could be. Wam knew he could safely claim cop because...
by LaserGuy
Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:06 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D3 - Assessments

@Vic: Who did you target last night?
by LaserGuy
Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:45 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D3 - Assessments

@plytho, why did you visit Zen?
by LaserGuy
Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:43 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D3 - Assessments

Vote: Vicarin

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by LaserGuy
Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:19 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread
Replies: 31053
Views: 2095609

Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Stellaris: I think I broke the setup last night. This is from our lover chat: -I think Suzaku may have used this game as a template: http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=3175911#p3175911 A lot of the roles seem very similar: Town {Holy Man (ends the night if lynched); JoAT with 1 kill, 1 r...
by LaserGuy
Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:11 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D3 - Assessments

I'd like a full claim from Maven.
by LaserGuy
Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:26 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread
Replies: 31053
Views: 2095609

Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Stellaris: @Sabrar: BTW town!Vicarin should not guard me after all No, Sabrar, this won't work. If I were scum, I would definitely just kill Vicarin directly tonight for that delicious, delicious wine. I also (probably) wouldn't be pushing for a lynch at this point if I were scum and...
by LaserGuy
Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:03 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

You are actively discouraging people from scumhunting . How is not wanting to lynch randomly equal to discouraging scum-hunting? You're repeatedly telling people not to pursue their scumreads; somebody says "I think X because scum because Y", and you say "We'll look into it tomorrow&...
by LaserGuy
Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:47 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

@Zen, here's my thoughts on your case on bessie: Point bessie is not actually scumhunting, she is scumjustifying. How this is exhibited: She continued arguing a point off of invalid logic. This suggests an agenda mentality. When scum are disproven, they have to find a new way to frame or justify the...
by LaserGuy
Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:57 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

plytho wrote:Don't you think heury's flip will inform us about wam's alignment?


It might.
by LaserGuy
Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:54 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

@ laser you seem desperate to lynch someone today which is odd. How do you align your vote with this post http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=124370&start=960#p4322822 I think it should be obvious from my comments here . I think I'd prefer to lynch Sabrar, but lynching him does not ...
by LaserGuy
Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:29 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

Vote: wam

I want to confirm one of Sabrar/wam today.
by LaserGuy
Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:47 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

It's not even that you're just sitting there doing nothing. You are actively discouraging people from scumhunting.
by LaserGuy
Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:42 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

What on earth gives you faith in my instincts????!?!?? This is pretty dam weird. I would have hoped it would be obvious to you what I was doing from my post here , but okay, I'll spell it out. I very strongly believe that we need another lynch today, and I think that there is a good chance that maf...
by LaserGuy
Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:16 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

@Vic: What are you comments on this ? Why were you interested in my read on wam in particular? Wait, what? Your reads list on page 20 has bessie as "very likely town", why on earth are you happy to join me and Zenii? Was Zenii's case really that convincing for you? I have a few suspicions ...
by LaserGuy
Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:27 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

Not my favorite choice lynch, but I'll help you guys out.

Vote: bessie

@Madge, plytho, somitomi: Would like opinions from you on Zen's case.
by LaserGuy
Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:43 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

Vic has claimed bodyguard; somitomi has claimed day ends when he is lynched.
by LaserGuy
Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:26 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

Cop results generally ignore safeclaims.
by LaserGuy
Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:39 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread
Replies: 31053
Views: 2095609

Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Stellaris: Crazy theory time: Scum is Sabrar/wam/freezeblade. heury is in fact Guardian Angel or a similar role linked to scum!Sabrar. After heury fake claimed cop, wam went ahead and did so as well, under the assumption that it would be too preposterous for there to be two fake cop claims. flips to...
by LaserGuy
Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:31 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

I'm a little vexed that the second lynch has apparently sapped all of the momentum out of the game. Too many people have been coasting through the last half of this day phase.

We need one more lynch.
by LaserGuy
Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:35 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

Addendum: Actually, there is one thing that does bother me a bit about wam's claim. He didn't know what result he would get for a non-UNE target (see here and my post just above). I have a hard time figuring out how his role PM could be phrased ambiguously enough that he wouldn't know this informati...
by LaserGuy
Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:15 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

Also, sorry, I did kind of skip over that post, I'll reread it. If you've got any more stuff to say about wam though that'd be great. Just for you, here's some detailed analysis on wam. Post 3 1) Nights benefit scum, the exact level of by how much depends on what powers town have and how strong the...
by LaserGuy
Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:38 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

You said there probably wasn't anything George could say that would change your read. So if he started posting content, you still would have voted him? How does this make sense if you didn't really have a read on him. The fact that they all of a sudden (hypothetical here) post a bunch of content af...
by LaserGuy
Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:11 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

Sabrar wrote:Honestly I would prefer to lynch plytho so we can clear Zen for PoE but I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who thinks that way.
Otherwise we should probably NL or lynch Madge to clear freezeblade but I'm against that one as well.


Where are you on somitomi?
by LaserGuy
Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:45 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread
Replies: 31053
Views: 2095609

Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Stellaris:
Spoiler:
Haven't posted much here this game. I am somewhat suspecting that is what Sabrar's secret meta read on me is all about :roll: But maybe not.
by LaserGuy
Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:51 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

@bessie:

Who do you think is mafia? I don't really get a good sense of your actual scumreads from your list beyond the indie read on Vic.
by LaserGuy
Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:26 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

LaserGuy I had an early concern that LaserGuy was going to be relying too heavily on the flavor for his reads and analysis. His style has changed a bit lately, his early game was a lot of poking people and at times he’s a bit cryptic, and I did think that he intentionally left me off of his D1 read...
by LaserGuy
Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:05 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

but I'd say there's maybe a 25% chance he'll flip a neutral-aligned Guardian Angel targeting Sabrar, Based on my extensive knowledge of different mafia-roles, your inclination to do your research as well and my super-secret meta-read on you I'm pretty sure this was a lie. :| Yeah, I have no idea wh...
by LaserGuy
Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:13 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

-@Laser, why did you unvote Madge D1? Also, what did you mean by I showed my towny card early on? If you thought this, why did you vote me for my opening post? Also Sabrar's stuff here: I guess my bottom four are {Sabrar, Vicarin, Madge, freezeblade}. Thinking about it more, I think that I would ra...
by LaserGuy
Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:02 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

Sabrar wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:My reads are here.
I just reread those. There's one thing that's pinging me like crazy in your read wrt h_a, can you guess what it is?


I'm guessing you're misreading the last line to be a statement about alignment.
by LaserGuy
Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:37 pm UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

Vicarin wrote:Laserguy has been in a similar position of mostly spending his time attacking me over my actions, I'd love more reads from him


My reads are here. I know you've read them already because that's the post where we started this whole discussion. Or did you just only read the part about you?
by LaserGuy
Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:19 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

@Sabrar: You want to just NL then?
by LaserGuy
Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:00 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

The other aspect that doesn't make any sense with what you've quoted is that I specifically don't think a lyncher is in this game. I've repeatedly said this. If you're going to say "Vicarin, in pointing out that Zenii is an obvious lyncher target, must think Zenii's claim is real", why do...
by LaserGuy
Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:44 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

plytho wrote:Also, not sure I buy the SK claim. It doesn't make much sense for an SK to push one lynch per day, does it?


I don't see any reason to doubt it. It's not like mafia is going to gain anything by claiming SK here.
by LaserGuy
Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:09 am UTC
Forum: Mafia
Topic: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - Endgame - Apocalypse
Replies: 1327
Views: 28974

Re: Stellaris Mafia (Lights Out) - D2 - Awakening

@Vic You'll have to tell me when I said that because I sure as hell don't think I ever said or implied that his claim was "irrelevant". The bits I just took out of those quotes definitely don't. No, that's not what I said. I said you removed the parts from those quotations ...

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