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by Pfhorrest
Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

I'm American myself, and have only existed since the 80s myself, so I understand that that's how the word "libertarian" is most frequently used here and now. I'm just pointing out, as I have had to learn myself, that "America since the 80s", my own domain of experience, is a pret...
by Pfhorrest
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:34 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

That is, again, defining libertarian solely on the basis of liberty(using a very particular definition of it). This is akin to defining Democrats by voter participation rate. Yes, voting is important to them, and it is a bit connected with the name, but it isn't the only defining feature. Again you...
by Pfhorrest
Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:42 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

You can use a different philosophy if you like, but if you do, it's not particularly libertarian. You've missed a particularly fundamental element. You are using the term "libertarian" to mean merely "less restriction". That is something that libertarians like, but it would be l...
by Pfhorrest
Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:32 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

Anarchism and Libertarianism are related, but distinctly different ideologies. Anarchism tends to prioritize individual freedom over literally everything else. For Libertarians, it's pretty high, but it is subordinate to other principles. If you view ideologies as a spectrum of prioritization of in...
by Pfhorrest
Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:41 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

If you view "less laws" as always "more libertarian", then anarchy would be the most libertarian government. Yeah, I kinda said exactly that. For most of history and in most of the world, "libertarian" meant "anarchist". This goes back to my earlier question ...
by Pfhorrest
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:42 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

Rental is different from ownership...even among the peasant class back then, there were different tiers. In general, folks who didn't own property had rather less wealth/freedom than those who did, but none are treated as tiers of government unless they had people beneath them, not merely property....
by Pfhorrest
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:07 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

You have a right to property, but not to the point that it deprives me of mine. Interestingly, Locke's own account of the acquisition of private property contains a qualifier to that extent, something to the effect of you can take from nature so long as there's "as much and as good left" ...
by Pfhorrest
Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:33 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

It kind of reminds me of the failures of anarcho-pacifism. Yes, violence is bad, and in an ideal world we would have none of it. But if, into such an ideal world, some violence arises nevertheless, what do we do about it? Anarcho-pacifism says "turn the other cheek", which just results in ...
by Pfhorrest
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

Ultimately, the world has a lot of Charlies at present, so if you're looking to sort out past wrongs, you end up committing a lot of injustice right now. You may legitimately punish a few Bobs, and help a few Alice's, but those are merely incidental, and the primary effect of the action is to commi...
by Pfhorrest
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:02 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

I actually agree that a properly moral economic system should be able to start from a screwed up initial distribution of wealth and naturally tend toward a more just one over time. An economic system should not be dynamically unstable, where small perturbations amplify over time instead of diminishi...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:00 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

Arbiter, your analysis in that case is fine, thanks for looking into that in more detail. The bottom line though is that we don't just tell Alice "tough shit, Charles and Deb have your stuff now", and leave things how they laid after Bob's crimes. We try to make up for some of the injustic...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:13 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

Even in that situation, if Bob can't be found, it would be wrong to give the property back to Alice. To do so simply makes Charles the one who has been victimized by Bob, because Charles already spent money on the purchase that he believed to be legitimate, when in fact he was duped by Bob. Even in...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:00 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

The child who grows up with a murdered parent is indeed disadvantaged in the present day. It is still not just to punish the murderer's children, even when we know who the murderer's children are. It is even worse to punish at random if we do not know who the murderer's children are. I think this &...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:41 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

"Let whoever has their probably-ultimately-illegitimate titles to property keep them, and then let's move forward legitimately from there" is not any more or less just than "throw out all existing titles to property including whatever legitimate ones there might be, then move forward...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

To leave the label "property" out of it entirely to avoid confusion: ... By default, as a starting condition, nobody owns any property. You missed the point of not using the word "property" for clarity there. To me, those words mean "nobody has any rights to anything",...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:56 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

The idea that the system of throwing out all of society and starting fresh should be the default is odd. It basically amounts to insisting on socialism. If by "socialism" you mean a statist redistributive government in opposition to libertarianism, then no. What it amounts to is that, if ...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:26 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

Private property requires exclusion. That's what makes it private. The defining characteristic of public property is its non-exclusiveness. It's not non-property, because property is that in which one has rights, so non-property would be something nobody has any rights to, something off limits to e...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

Essentially no modern system of politics seeks to uproot all historical claims, requiring a positive proof of all moral decisions involved to justify their claims. Libertarianism is no exception. Ideally, it seeks to ensure that ownership rights are respected now. It cannot be held responsible for ...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:02 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2021: "Software Development"
Replies: 31
Views: 2518

Re: 2021: "Software Development"

Can someone explain this xkcd better than explainxkcd? I get the obvious general gist of one programmer putting a lot of delicate work into a finely crafted tool and the other one just belt-feeding that into his shotgun approach with no regard for what it could do if used properly, but I'm strugglin...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12792

Re: Libertarianism

I think the issue Thesh is concerned with is that, if libertarianism is as concerned for respecting private property rights as it is, it's important that we know what is actually whose rightful property. If some thug walks into a rich person's mansion, kills the occupants, and starts living there, h...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:37 am UTC
Forum: Your art and links
Topic: The Codex Quaerendae
Replies: 5
Views: 1631

Re: The Codex Quaerendae

I decided on the schedule I'll be using next year: 1st week of January: intro and setup 3rd week of January: Against Fideism 1st week of February: Against Nihilism 3rd week of February: Against Idealism 1st week of March: Against Materialism 3rd week of March: Against Populism 1st week of April: Aga...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:20 am UTC
Forum: Your art and links
Topic: The Chronicles of Quelouva
Replies: 137
Views: 28129

Re: The Chronicles of Quelouva

Something tonight inspired me to write out my schedule of little-things-to-do-each-week-to-get-my-shit-finally-done, and the conclusion of that was a projection of how long I expect it to take to finish properly writing the Chronicles, ish, in nine volumes of about 180k words each, so each series of...
by Pfhorrest
Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:07 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2019: "An Apple for a Dollar"
Replies: 80
Views: 3658

Re: 2019: "An Apple for a Dollar"

To be charitable, I could see the cashier thinking "I already recorded the receipt of exactly $10 on this machine, I'm not going to fuck around accepting a different amount and making whatever change would make that work out and getting fired because I punched in that the customer gave me $10 b...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:00 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465696

Re: Trump presidency

I find myself laughing awkwardly at the line about "the good old recording instrument". You mean... a camera? A microphone? What is "the good old recording instrument"!?
by Pfhorrest
Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:50 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Blistering blue barnacles
Replies: 28396
Views: 2975959

Re: Blistering blue barnacles

poxic wrote:Ah, so your csekk is what we'd call an invoice or bill.

English does sometimes use the word "check" with that meaning too. At a restaurant for example, "check please" is a request for them to bring you the bill, not a request for them to pay you by check or something.
by Pfhorrest
Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:48 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465696

Re: Trump presidency

I thought the utilitarianism and trolley problem stuff was equally off-topic. Also, with the whole post-truth politics thing surrounding Trump, there's a good argument to be made that nihilism is quite on topic there. That said I do think all the abstract philosophical stuff would be best moved to a...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465696

Re: Trump presidency

Note that moral nihilism isn't the belief that there is no such thing morality, It is actually. (Lazy cite: " Moral nihilism ... is the meta-ethical view that nothing is morally right or wrong "). Nihilism generally means literally "nothing-ism", and each specific kind of nihili...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:26 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465696

Re: Trump presidency

made up by man vs divinely woven is a false dichotomy No it's not. If it's divinely woven (which presumes the existence of the divine in the first place), then it cannot be "made up by man". If it's made up by man (and we assume man is not divine), then it cannot be divinely woven. A dich...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:24 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2020: "Negative Results"
Replies: 15
Views: 1216

Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

I was really surprised to learn that Australian ravens are black. Like I knew about the swans already, but is everything backward down there? Apparently not. But the latest fun news about those black swans is that some of them are surfers . (Of course, this isn't really new news; that report is fro...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:21 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465696

Re: Trump presidency

We’re talking entirely about what our goals should be, not the means to reach those goals. If your only argument against a psycho who wants to hurt other people for fun would be either just to state your (and most people’s) disagreement with no reason to suggest your opinion is any more correct than...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:18 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465696

Re: Trump presidency

made up by man vs divinely woven is a false dichotomy, and both sides of that dichotomy end up telling you in effect to base your opinion on whatever it is that someone (yourself, some holy authority, a majority, whoever) says, regardless of reasoned consideration. If it's not both possible to be ob...
by Pfhorrest
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:44 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465696

Re: Trump presidency

at least we know it’s safe to ignore your opinion now
by Pfhorrest
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:04 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2020: "Negative Results"
Replies: 15
Views: 1216

Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

I was really surprised to learn that Australian ravens are black. Like I knew about the swans already, but is everything backward down there?
by Pfhorrest
Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:41 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465696

Re: Trump presidency

that way lies relativism and thence nihilism
by Pfhorrest
Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:18 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465696

Re: Trump presidency

was voicing my disagreement, not questioning popular agreement (which I didn’t realize you were asserting).

though not surprised to learn that as usual, most people are wrong.
by Pfhorrest
Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:52 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465696

Re: Trump presidency

CorruptUser wrote:In terms of trolley problems, we generally agree that it's ok to switch the trolley tracks thereby killing one to save five,

nope
by Pfhorrest
Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:45 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Everything is racism
Replies: 27
Views: 1839

Re: Everything is racism

Not that anyone is talking to me specifically, but to clarify again what I was originally saying in regards to a couple things people are talking about: 1) I never meant to suggest that sexism was a kind of tribalism or racism, but that it (and homophobia and transphobia and generally the entire pus...
by Pfhorrest
Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:51 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2019: "An Apple for a Dollar"
Replies: 80
Views: 3658

Re: 2019: "An Apple for a Dollar"

The British math YouTube channel Numberphile concluded that “math” is actually more correct because we don’t usually take the last letter of a word as part of an abbreviation of it, and the rationale that “maths” is different because it’s a plural is unsound because even Brits say “maths is”, not “m...
by Pfhorrest
Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:24 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465696

Re: Trump presidency

On the topic of money buying happiness and assigning the (negative) value of death: there are some things that just can't be done, at all, so throwing money at people to make them happen is futile because it won't actually make them happen. If you're unhappy for some reason unrelated to lack of mone...
by Pfhorrest
Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:49 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2019: "An Apple for a Dollar"
Replies: 80
Views: 3658

Re: 2019: "An Apple for a Dollar"

Yes, the idea that in the US the price on the shelf isn't what you pay is still really weird to me. If you don't have much money on you, it must be hard to work out if you have enough. I think when this has come up before, the reason has been that there are a few different levels (county, state, fe...

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