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IPad usability

Postby ned3000 » Sat May 01, 2010 5:41 am UTC

I can't hover with the iPad and get the mouse over text. Apple doesn't support any of the 50 ways to learn to hover. What should I do?

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Re: IPad usability

Postby chridd » Sat May 01, 2010 5:50 am UTC

Have you tried http://m.xkcd.com/ ?
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Re: IPad usability

Postby joshz » Sat May 01, 2010 10:28 am UTC

ned3000 wrote:I can't hover with the iPad and get the mouse over text. Apple doesn't support any of the 50 ways to learn to hover. What should I do?
Try getting the app. (xkcd, by Josh Snyder, is the one I use).

EDIT: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xkcd/id303688284?mt=8

And here's an iPad specific one: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xkcd-hd/id369631343?mt=8
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Re: IPad usability

Postby YellowRex » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:21 pm UTC

This isn't just for iPads; it's for any mobile device capable of decently rendering the real web.

For me, it's Android. m.xkcd.com is great, but I was using the mobile Google Reader interface, which brings over the comic image with the hover text, which is completely inaccessible on a touch device.

In general, mouseover and hover interaction on the web needs to die. Fingers are now a first class input device on the web.

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Re: IPad usability

Postby hintss » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:23 am UTC

m.xkcd.com works on my friends droid, BTW...

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Re: IPad usability

Postby YellowRex » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:49 am UTC

hintss wrote:m.xkcd.com works on my friends droid, BTW...


Yes I know. It works great on my G1 too.

My point is that touchscreen devices shouldn't be relegated to the mobile device ghetto, particularly when they're capable of displaying the full web (as in a Droid, G1, iPhone, or iPad, or.... etc.).

Also accessing the comic through other means, such as the excellent mobile Google Reader web interface, brings up the "regular" comic with inaccessible hovertext and no caption.

The [Alt Text] link with the Javascript event should be on the main page. There should be no mouseover-only elements on a web-page. Fingers are a first class input device on the web.


A way to read the comic on a touchscreen device exists. Conceptual discussion of whether alt text should cease to exist or not can find a home other than S/FI. -Hodge.

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Re: IPad usability

Postby JohnHupp » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:43 am UTC

A dedicated applications nice, and the mobile site is a workable solution, but both omit the use of RSS. I use an RSS reader on my iPad, and something like a "mobile RSS feed" would be a nice complement to the mobile site.

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Re: IPad usability

Postby JohnHupp » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:15 am UTC

Or perhaps some AJAX funkiness that emulates ALT text when you tap the image on the regular site in a mobile browser?

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Re: IPad usability

Postby joshz » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:20 am UTC

There's a JavaScript bookmarklet that'll do that. See http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php? ... 4045906105
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Re: IPad usability

Postby mwoodling » Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:04 pm UTC

I was about to dash off an email to the web guy, but decided to look through the fora first. Yep, wish the mouseover would work on my Android Evo. I also get XKCD via Google Reader (which I access mostly from the Evo) and the XKCD link from the Reader article takes me to the main site, not the m.xkcd.com site, so I never see the "alt-text" link. It seems the simplest answers from my point of view are to: 1) have the main web site detect my phone browser and take me to m.xkcd.com, or better 2) put the alt-text link on the main web site (not as classy, I know, but certainly more functional).

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Re: IPad usability

Postby phillipsjk » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:43 pm UTC

YellowRex wrote:This isn't just for iPads; it's for any mobile device capable of decently rendering the real web.
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In general, mouseover and hover interaction on the web needs to die. Fingers are now a first class input device on the web.


The XKCD comic does not use "mouseover" directly: it uses the "title" attribute. It used to be that the "Alt" text (mainly for non-graphical browsers or failed image loads) was abused for that purpose.

Is is really the website's fault if your mobile browser was not properly adapted for the touch interface?
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Re: IPad usability

Postby davean » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:29 pm UTC

phillipsjk wrote:Is is really the website's fault if your mobile browser was not properly adapted for the touch interface?


And, any browser that can't fully display web content is relegated to the mobile ghetto. This means iPod Touches and iPads, with their deficient web browsers, are relegated to the mobile ghetto.

As an example, using a touchscreen on a normal computer browser works just fine.

We may redesign the front page a bit at some point, and how one can access the alt-text there might then also change at that point. We don't exactly have someone here that specializes in HTML/CSS/JS type stuff though so don't expect it soon (or, necessarily, ever).

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Re: IPad usability

Postby Reg Barclay » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:14 pm UTC

I'm also using Google Reader on an Android phone (and a Kindle too) and being directed to the main site. Wouldn't it be a very simple thing to create a second RSS feed for mobiles that navigated to m.xkcd.com? Please?

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Re: IPad usability

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:59 pm UTC

There are times where I *want* to go to the main site on my iPad and phone, and some sort of automatic redirection (something I completely loathe) would seriously screw with that.

Meanwhile, typing m.xkcd.com is almost as fast as typing xkcd.com. So I suppose I personally don't understand if there is still a problem, or why the solution provided is unnacceptable.

Problem : iPad (and other touch displays lacking a mouse) cannot display title text, secondary joke is unavailable.
Primary Solution : Use m.xkcd.com. Does not rely on title text for secondary joke.
Secondary Solution, iPad/iPhone Specific : There exist a host of apps in the iTunes store of varying quality ranging in price from Free to Less Than A Cup Of Coffee From Starbucks that will allow you to read the comic with the title text secondary joke added in in various ways. If using another device, check your equivalent app browser for similar applications. Do note that the xkcd staff is not responsible for any of those applications and cannot support them.

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Re: IPad usability

Postby GhostWolfe » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:39 am UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Meanwhile, typing m.xkcd.com is almost as fast as typing xkcd.com. So I suppose I personally don't understand if there is still a problem, or why the solution provided is unnacceptable.
Also: bookmarks, if typing bothers you.

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Re: IPad usability

Postby Reg Barclay » Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:09 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Problem solved?

Nope. No way to land on m.xkcd.com from Google Reader. Why is it so hard to add a secondary RSS feed?

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Re: IPad usability

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:02 pm UTC

Ah. This isn't an iPad problem, this is a Google Reader on mobile devices problem.
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Re: IPad usability

Postby scikidus » Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:28 am UTC

I added the following bookmarklet to my mobile Safari bookmarks on my iPod Touch, and it does the trick for me:

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javascript:function popTitle(imga){alert(imga.getAttribute("title"))}imgs=document.images;for(i=0;i<imgs.length;i++){if(imgs[i].getAttribute('title')){imgs[i].setAttribute("onclick","javascript:popTitle(this);")}}void(0);


Now, when I want to read the title text, I open the comic's page, run the bookmarklet, and tap the comic.
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Re: IPad usability

Postby Jere » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:21 pm UTC

Reg Barclay wrote:
SexyTalon wrote:Problem solved?

Nope. No way to land on m.xkcd.com from Google Reader. Why is it so hard to add a secondary RSS feed?



Here you go (I can't seem to post URLs?):

RSS Feed: http://www.miserez.org/ws/xkcdmobile/rss.xml
Atom Feed: http://www.miserez.org/ws/xkcdmobile/atom.xml

The site grabs the feed live from the xkcd site and replaces the URLs. Let me know if it suddenly stops working and don't hack my server please :-)

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Re: IPad usability

Postby StickFigure206 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:38 pm UTC

Jere wrote:
Reg Barclay wrote:
SexyTalon wrote:Problem solved?

Nope. No way to land on m.xkcd.com from Google Reader. Why is it so hard to add a secondary RSS feed?



Here you go (I can't seem to post URLs?):

RSS Feed: http://www.miserez.org/ws/xkcdmobile/rss.xml
Atom Feed: http://www.miserez.org/ws/xkcdmobile/atom.xml

The site grabs the feed live from the xkcd site and replaces the URLs. Let me know if it suddenly stops working and don't hack my server please :-)


Jere, this is very cool I had never heard of anything like this before. I checked out the RSS one and it has worked like a charm so far albeit 10 minutes :D Thanks for sharing your knowledge this whole smart phone thing is new to me...gotta figure out how to make this expensive data plan worth it.
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Re: IPad usability

Postby WeAllKnow » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:01 pm UTC

I really like the idea of the IPad, but I'm going to have to see how the app development goes in the next few months. As for phones, I'm working on upgrading myself. I'm looking at smart phones and trying to decide what would be best. I'm really torn on features.

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Re: IPad usability

Postby dalore » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:40 pm UTC

I don't know about the iPad, but I found on android if you press and hold in reader you can view the caption

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Re: IPad usability

Postby Carmour24 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:39 pm UTC

This probably isn't ideal for anyone but it is a pretty easy way to access the alt text: if you set up voice over to activate on triple click of the home button in the iPad's accessibility settings you can quickly triple click on home and then tap the comic image to get the alt text read to you by voice over.


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Re: IPad usability

Postby Crabik » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:36 pm UTC

thanks, the iPad/iPhone app is great.

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Re: IPad usability

Postby Denae Floch » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:02 am UTC

This isn't just for iPads; it's for any mobile device capable of decently rendering the real web.

For me, it's Android. m.xkcd.com is great, but I was using the mobile Google Reader interface, which brings over the comic image with the hover text, which is completely inaccessible on a touch device

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Re: IPad usability

Postby VectorZero » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:44 am UTC

Carmour24 wrote:This probably isn't ideal for anyone but it is a pretty easy way to access the alt text: if you set up voice over to activate on triple click of the home button in the iPad's accessibility settings you can quickly triple click on home and then tap the comic image to get the alt text read to you by voice over.


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Re: IPad usability

Postby Thomas18 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:02 pm UTC

dalore wrote:I don't know about the iPad, but I found on android if you press and hold in reader you can view the caption


Thanks a lot for the help

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Re: IPad usability

Postby lanceheld » Wed May 08, 2013 6:25 am UTC

The feedly app displays a "show image caption" button that, when touched, will display the alt text. Now that google reader is going away, this seems like a good option for those reading via RSS feed on touch devices.

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Re: IPad usability

Postby mcg » Tue May 28, 2013 5:14 pm UTC

Hi folks! I'd like to offer yet another solution to the alt-text problem. The use case I'm trying to cover is when I'm viewing a link shared on Facebook or some other social network. In this case, the link is invariably to the "normal" site, not the mobile-optimized site. Since it's not possible to modify the URL inside the Facebook internal browser, I have to send the link over to the external browser and then modify the URL (or use a bookmarklet) to get to the mobile site.

My proposed alternative: modify the main web site to detect touch devices, and if it finds them, deploy the same alt-text button system that is used on the mobile web site.

I've actually implemented this, and I'm hosting it on a CDN-enabled web site for everyone to see. It works as intended: on a standard desktop browser, there is no change whatsoever to the behavior of the site. But on mobile browsers, the altText capability is enabled. Unfortunately, I can't share the link yet, as I'm a new poster, but if anyone wants to PM me I will be happy to share it. Or, if you were to use a certain "bit" link shortener with the code "172Cvfd", that would work too.

I do hope that my solution will be considered!

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Re: IPad usability

Postby Jplus » Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:51 pm UTC

^ that works great!
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Re: IPad usability

Postby no-genius » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:02 pm UTC

I don't know which versions this works with, but tapping and holding down shows the title text, with the save/copy menu
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Re: IPad usability

Postby Jplus » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:47 pm UTC

Killer tip, thank you!
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