Moderators: gmalivuk, Moderators General, Prelates
.There are plenty of necessary conditions for goldbach
kaushiks.nitt wrote:I have just started giving a try at some of the major open problems in maths .
.What's your background like?
kaushiks.nitt wrote:I proved collatz conjecture can be true for a infinite case but was not able to come up with a better formula .
kaushiks.nitt wrote:Then i proved the famous PNT in a single line using the concepts of relative prime.
kaushiks.nitt wrote:I have just started giving a try at some of the major open problems in maths .
So i haven't gone through the literature much .
.you should read some advice from Terence Tao and Scott Aaronson.
.Could you elaborate? (If you mean that there exist infinitely many integers for which the Collatz conjecture is true, this is already known and trivial.)
.The short proofs of the PNT aren't elementary, and the elementary proofs aren't short. Again, could you elaborate?
.Have you reflected much on why these problems might still be open, or why they are of interest?
What he means is, the only reason these problems are open is because they are very, very hard. If it is easy and well known, someone would have done it already. My suggestion is to work on some not famous open problem. They tend to be easier. (since they are open because nobody worked on it, instead of being open despite the fact that over 9000 geniuses have worked on it)kaushiks.nitt wrote:.Have you reflected much on why these problems might still be open, or why they are of interest?
I don't get you these are open problems because no one has solved it till now and each problem have their own applications .
So what are you asking me .
Consider any N .
I have this formula for finding pi(N). Let us say there are k prime numbers till √N .
Then pi(N) ~ N*(p1-1)*(p2-1)*....(pk-1)/p1*p2*....pk.
Now consider N tends to infinity then √N also tends to infinity.
Then pi(N) ~ N*(p1-1)*(p2-1)*....(pk-1)*....(pinf-1)/p1*p2*....pk*....p(inf).
and this is nothing but N* Π( 1 -1/p) = N/log(N).
Π( 1 -1/p) = 1/log(N) this has been proved by euler .
I hope there is no mis communication.
Also pi(N) ~ N*(p1-1)*(p2-1)*....(pk-1)/p1*p2*....pk. Is a better approx than N/log(N).
For N =100 pi(N) calculated by my formula is 23 while my N/logN it is around 21.
For N= 1000 pi(N) calculated by my formula is 153 while my N/logN it is around 144.
Infact using the above formula i can also find the error between the actual and computed value . while the PNT never deals with the error.
kaushiks.nitt wrote:Infact using the above formula i can also find the error between the actual and computed value . while the PNT never deals with the error.
kaushiks.nitt wrote:even wiles wasn't known before he solved fermat's last theorem and maybe when he was 20 no one would have ever expected him to solve.
kaushiks.nitt wrote:.Have you reflected much on why these problems might still be open, or why they are of interest?
I don't get you these are open problems because no one has solved it till now and each problem have their own applications .
So what are you asking me .
Not to mention that he wasn't proving the FLT, but something that implies the FLT. Also, there are some highly overpowered mathematics in his proof.NathanielJ wrote:Wiles was a professor at Princeton and a Guggenheim Fellow before he proved Fermat's Last Theorem. And his proof was over 100 pages long and took seven years to complete.
While it's not impossible you've come up with some new proofs, people claiming these things are a dime a dozen, and most of them are wrong.
And you don't have a proof. What you have is a heuristic calculation which suggests that the result "should" be true, but you haven't proven either of the asymptotics you've cited. Making your argument rigorous is more difficult than you think.
.Wiles was a professor at Princeton and a Guggenheim Fellow before he proved Fermat's Last Theorem. And his proof was over 100 pages long and took seven years to complete.
I don't know the situation with Goldbach, but for P=NP there are precise reasons why a proof would have to look very different from "usual" proofs in that area, and I read this has been the case for Fermat, too.
kaushiks.nitt wrote:While it's not impossible you've come up with some new proofs, people claiming these things are a dime a dozen, and most of them are wrong.
This is an arbit statement highly irrelevant to the context .May be your math is so very poor that you cant understand even simple statements and want to be spoon feeded ..
Also i never said it's something very different from the PNT itself . I had a look at sellberg's proof and i knew he never proved it like i did . That is why i mentioned.
kaushiks.nitt wrote:After all i love maths and ramanujam ( I hope u might be knowing) is my distant relative
.My point was that we encounter posts like yours all the time, and most of the time they are a complete waste of time to read, so if you want to have any chance of people considering what you have to say, you need to present it much much better.
.important (but attackable) open questions that he could work on, and other clever people that he could collaborate with.
.independently rediscovering results of Euler is nothing to be ashamed of.
.Please stop posting two or three times in a row. You can edit your most recent post if no one has replied.
kaushiks.nitt wrote:Ok . But how do i answer to different people's question in a single post . Wont it become cumbersome.
gmalivuk wrote:Please stop posting two or three times in a row. You can edit your most recent post if no one has replied.
.2) Prove that (correct me if I have the bounds wrong, but they seem to be the ones that fit in)
limNlnNpn(1−1p)=1
kaushiks.nitt wrote:Euler proved that sigma 1/n = Π (1/ 1 - p^-1). ( the infinite product in the right hand side extends over all prime numbers p )
i.e sigma 1/n = Π ( p/(p-1)) and Π ( (p-1)/p) = 1/( sigma 1/n ) .
kaushiks.nitt wrote:Thus Π ( 1 - 1/p ) = 1/( sigma 1/n ) = 1/log(N) .
kaushiks.nitt wrote:In fact the error between sigma (1/n) and log (N) is given by the euler constant y . So you could use that also.
That is why i use this is formula to calculate pi(N) only as N -> infinity . In this case √N will also tend to infinity and the euler products would still hold good.
This what is done in the sieve theory to calculate all primes till N by just knowing all the primes till √N .
If there is something wrong with the proof let me know
.kaushiks.nitt wrote:Thus Π ( 1 - 1/p ) = 1/( sigma 1/n ) = 1/log(N) .
You need to state what your bounds are. The first "equality" only holds for (all p) and (all n), where the second "equality" only holds for (n <= N). (quotes because neither is really an equality, one is a rewriting of an infinite divergent sum, the other is an approximation)
While proving the PNT is about asymptotic behaviour, every value of N we look at is itself finite. There is no N 'at infinity
.How does your prime counting function compare to this one found by Riemann, which uses the Zeta function?
kaushiks.nitt wrote:sigma(1/n) can be approximated to log(n)
But i thought as √N tends to infinity almost all primes are included and the argument might still hold good.
Users browsing this forum: Ask Jeeves [Bot], Cryft, Jorb, Shokk and 4 guests