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The Ten Commandments

Postby Goemon » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:03 am UTC

So far I've come up with five of the unbreakable "commandments" we have to live by...


I. Thou shalt not travel faster than light
II. Thou shalt not create, neither shalt thou destroy mass-energy
III. Thou shalt not change the momentum of a closed system
IV. Thou shalt not simultaneously measure position and velocity to infinite precision
V. Thou shalt not decrease the entropy of a closed system



Any suggestions on what the other five should be, or which ten should make the cut as the most ironclad laws in the universe?

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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby Korandder » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:45 am UTC

Thou shall not reach absolute zero.
Thou shall not create or destroy electrical charge.
Thou shall not create or destroy weak isospin.
Thou shall not create or destroy colour charge.
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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby ConMan » Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:45 am UTC

I assume you mean "such that the product of the uncertainties in measurement are less than [math]\frac{\hbar}{2}[/math]".
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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby DarkLordofSquirrels » Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:23 pm UTC

"Thou shalt not travel faster than c" should be generalized to "Thou shalt not say ye frame of reference is any better or worse than ye neighbors frame, if they both be inertial." It's clunkier, but it says everything.

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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby Jebobek » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:02 pm UTC

Do they all have to be "Thou shall not"

For example, could you do "Honor thy math and thy applications" ?

Hmm I'd say keep it simple with speed-of-light and the other commandments to keep things understandable. Then throw the explanation in a spoiler right below it.
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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby ZLVT » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:29 pm UTC

Goemon wrote:So far I've come up with five of the unbreakable "commandments" we have to live by...


I. Thou shalt not travel faster than light
II. Thou shalt not create, neither shalt thou destroy mass-energy
III. Thou shalt not change the momentum of a closed system
IV. Thou shalt not simultaneously measure position and momentum to infinite precision
V. Thou shalt not decrease the entropy of a closed system


fix'd. the original heisenberg uncertainty principle is based on [x,p] != 0
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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby ian » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:56 pm UTC

Doesn't that suggest you could know the position and velocity exactly if you couldn't measure its mass?

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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby om617 » Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:10 pm UTC

Velocity is defined as momentum/mass, so if you do the math you'll see that position and velocity don't commute either.

So no.
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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby Klotz » Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:58 am UTC

Thou shalt confirm thine theories with observations.

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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby tiny » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:07 am UTC

Klotz wrote:Thou shalt test (and try to falsify) thine theories with observations.
Fix'd, no?
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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby Klotz » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:07 pm UTC

Yeah test is better than confirm, but would anyone try to falsify their own theories? No. They'd try to confirm them, and then consider them false if the experiment indicated so (ideally).

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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby RAPTORATTACK!!! » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:41 pm UTC

Not scientific, but rule 34.
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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby ZLVT » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:09 am UTC

Meteorswarm wrote:
how about also changing I. to
Thou shalt not convey information faster than the speed at which light travels

Also, the three thermodynamic laws should be all put together and in clear form, since they're, well, laws and go well with this.


V was a thermodynamic law, and about the superluminal speeds, I think they've done it, they made information travel faster than light
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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby Mr. Beck » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:12 pm UTC

They've made light go faster than light (yeah...), but not information.

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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby You, sir, name? » Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:30 pm UTC

The sum of thine displacement in a confined area shalt be zero, lest there is volume charge -- then that shalt be the sum of thine displacement.
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Re: The Ten Commandments

Postby Indon » Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:20 pm UTC

Thou Shalt Not Claim All Knowledge of a Particle for Thyself.
Thou Shalt Not Solve the Halting Problem.*


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