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The Furry Thread! [Safespace]

Postby darkone238 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:10 am UTC

I've seen a few of you out there already, I know that you exist :twisted:

This is the thread for furry discussions. If you don't know what furry is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom LMWTFY :D

Where're my furry XKCD brethren? :)

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Re: The Furry Thread!

Postby Jesse » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:27 am UTC

Just popping in here as a former moderator saying, with whatever authority I have left, this is a safespace. Questions are cool, but insults are not welcome.

I'm not a furry myself, but the culture does intrigue me, I'll admit. If you're okay with it, would you mind giving an overview of what furry subculture covers?

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Postby darkone238 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:07 pm UTC

I feel like the Wikipedia article does a pretty good overview, but I have to say that that particular question is one you can ask ten different people and get 20 different responses. The best I can do is respond to what it covers for me personally and hope that others can append their own thoughts and experiences. The fandom can involve anything with anthropomorphic animals or animal spirituality.

I originally got into the subculture for the art, when a friend of mine drew me as a wolf. I've liked wolves for a while and thought it would be neat. From there I found a deeper appreciation for all of the art that the fandom produces. As such, I've commissioned several pieces myself and it just feels good. This extends into non-visual art as well (poems, novels, short stories, etc.).

Aside from the art aspect, I do go to conventions, where I mostly socialize and entertain. Entertainment (both on stage and off) is a big thing. It can be while wearing a fursuit, but it doesn't have to be. This is generally the most publicized aspect of furry (especially when the publication is talking about the sexual aspects) but, from all that I've seen, a majority of the fandom does not own nor wear a suit. A larger portion don't do sexual things with suits (it's really, really warm in there!).

I mentioned spirituality above, and a lot of furries feel deep connection with their animal spirits/totems. I can't really comment on that aspect much, as I am not particularly spiritual (though I do feel like I have some qualities of wolves myself).

There is, of course, the fetish aspect to it as well. I won't get too far into it, but there's certainly a lot of "adult art" and whatnot with anthropomorphic animals.

Ultimately, though, it's about having fun. Anthrocon, the largest furry convention in the world, occurs in Pittsburgh and the local businesses love the con. Generally, each con raises money for a charity and thousands of dollars are raised at every con. There are also one-off things like this, where furries donated to keep a local restaurant in Pittsburgh open.

It's hard to make a post that truly captures all the aspects of the fandom, but if you or anyone else has any specific questions I'd be happy to answer them.

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Re: The Furry Thread!

Postby Tomlidich the second » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:22 pm UTC

glad this exists.

this is a safespace, so hopefully im not crucified for this: (spoilered for adult themes)

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im one of those that is into the adult stuff, and would participate if offered. i find no shame in it, its just the way i am, always had a fascination with it.
on a side note, nothing really turns me on like furries do. just sayin.



don't exactly have a fursuit yet, per say. though im working on some intereting stuff which i will of course post pictures of.

i also really like the art aspect of it, its some cools stuff.

i never got that, well, spiritual about it at all, but i would say i have many cat-like characteristics. never settled on just one species of cat, but maybe someday i will. no, not domestic housecats, if you were gonna ask.
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Re: The Furry Thread!

Postby Puppyclaws » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:22 am UTC

darkone238 wrote:...I have to say that that particular question is one you can ask ten different people and get 20 different responses...


This is pretty true. Furry is different for everyone. Personally, I got into it via knowing somebody on Livejournal 10 years ago, and have stuck around in large part because of the friendships I have made. There are secondary complex aspects where I find my sexuality is easier to express in the fandom (to give some idea what I mean, a recent [though slightly dubious] poll suggested that approximately 80% of furries identify as something other than completely heterosexual). I don't much care for the art, I -detest- fursuits (though this may in part be due to the undue weight they are given), and I find a lot of the other peripheral activities silly. So furry, to me, is a gathering of friends who are all kind of weird and have some level of appreciation for either animals or cartoons, probably both.

Now, in re:
(it's really, really warm in there!)


(warning, mature themes ahead):
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No matter what old men in labcoats might tell you, nobody who wants to have sex in a fursuit is put off by the heat :P (some) People have sex in fursuits. Which is not to say that all (or most) fursuits are used for sex. Not every furry is a fursuiter, and not every fursuiter is sexual about it. For a small anecdotal sample I've dated 3 guys in furry; 2 were fursuiters who were not sexual about it, 1 was not a fursuiter at all in addition to not finding them sexual (like me). I was, however, invited to a party with this as a "theme" a number of years back, by a guy I was fooling around with but ended up not dating. It's a thing. But in general it looks a lot more like the "orgy" in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia than whatever was going on with that CSI thing. And I would say (as an outside observer) that it's a lot more common as an activity between pre-established partners, like a couple at home, than anything else.


I was going to make a lengthy thing here at the end of this post about my recent experiences visiting/being visited by furries, and learning what some of the people I see 3 or 4 times a year are like with greater exposure and in environments where they can't just indulge in their dorkiness, but I'm not sure this is the right spot and I'm not sure it wouldn't just sound like a blog post.

(ETA: I'm a dog. Surprise!)

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Re: The Furry Thread!

Postby darkone238 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:49 am UTC

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No, the ones who have sex in fursuit certainly are not turned off by the heat...but I and many others are :) Also I spent a lot of money on my suit and use it for photo shoots and entertaining, I wouldn't want it to get all mucky.


The local radio station here featured a furry story on it. I was a little saddened and was considering writing in to see if I could better explain some things, but I figured it wouldn't do much good. Specifically, they brought up the story of Bubblegum Husky (look it up) and what he (allegedly) did.

Do you guys bother with explaining things to the media/trying to fix misconceptions? Or do you just let it go, knowing that it's probably a lost cause.

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Re: The Furry Thread!

Postby OBrien » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:45 pm UTC

Not a furry but, like Jesse, I'm interested in learning about your culture.

I would say, for your own peace of mind if nothing else, try to change people's misconceptions. Like misogyny, racism, and every other kind of discrimination the best way to fight back is to pick people up on the bullshit things they say and show them that they're wrong and why they're wrong. Even if they're an arsehole who refuses to listen you can always hope that when a fifth or sixth person has told them the exact same thing they might start to look into it. That said I'd pick your battles. eg: while I'd be happy to challenge a white-laced bonehead on their views on race and homosexuality I don't think it would be worth it for me to call them out on Brony-hating.

On a similar note, how bad are people's reactions when they find out you're a furry? I understand if people don't want to talk about it but all I know about you guys and galls is that most of the internet seems to have an irrational hatred for you, when it seems to me it's something that only affects you and your private life so other people really shouldn't give a damn.
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Re: The Furry Thread!

Postby darkone238 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:10 pm UTC

OBrien wrote:Not a furry but, like Jesse, I'm interested in learning about your culture.

I would say, for your own peace of mind if nothing else, try to change people's misconceptions. Like misogyny, racism, and every other kind of discrimination the best way to fight back is to pick people up on the bullshit things they say and show them that they're wrong and why they're wrong. Even if they're an arsehole who refuses to listen you can always hope that when a fifth or sixth person has told them the exact same thing they might start to look into it. That said I'd pick your battles. eg: while I'd be happy to challenge a white-laced bonehead on their views on race and homosexuality I don't think it would be worth it for me to call them out on Brony-hating.

On a similar note, how bad are people's reactions when they find out you're a furry? I understand if people don't want to talk about it but all I know about you guys and galls is that most of the internet seems to have an irrational hatred for you, when it seems to me it's something that only affects you and your private life so other people really shouldn't give a damn.

For me, people generally don't care. Occasionally on a forum I'll get some snippy remarks or something, but in "the real world" I tend to pick my friends well enough that they either support it or just don't care.

I actually don't mind furry jokes, as long as they're in jest. There's a lot of fun to be had with us, but once it crosses the line into actual hatred it's uncomfortable and saddening.

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Re: The Furry Thread!

Postby Puppyclaws » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:26 pm UTC

I don't try to correct the media because that means becoming involved with the media in some way, which in general I think is an error. I correct friends and acquaintances should it come up; I remember being at a party a number of years ago where furries were discussed in the context of the UChicago scavenger hunt, and I had to correct the idea that furries = people who have sex in animal costumes.

Generally people are very open to hearing that our subculture is not what they think and are happy to learn about it; I've never gotten strong negative reactions. Of course, I don't mention it unless it comes up, and there are people who could say something about it and I would lie and pretend I didn't even know about it (e.g. my research PI or research team members, people at work, some family members).

I don't view furry in the same category as race/sex/orientation, so I feel no need to "fight back." Really the problem is not lack of education, it's lack of respect for other people. I have relatively little interest in making furry more palatable for the outside community.

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Re: The Furry Thread!

Postby Tomlidich the second » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:36 pm UTC

have not tried to correct people on the whole, and really, you guys are probably the first ones to know about me at this point.

spoiler for adult themes:
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also, while i may be something of a sexual deviant in the furry community, it does NOT mean im open to weird parties/orgies and the like. to me, it should be with one person, and thats what im comfortable with. (may also have something to do with being an introvert but eh) i feel like too many people try to slander the community by saying we are ALL like that when in reality, most of us are not, just like most people who are into other fetishes honestly would not want multiple partners/casual encounters. idk maybe im overthinking it a tad.
also..... have thought about the heat problem, and considering all the materials research i do, may have solutions for it.



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Re: The Furry Thread!

Postby darkone238 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:08 pm UTC

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Well nobody expects that sexual deviance means that you're open to *everything*. I have my own fetishes regarding furry, but there's still a lot I won't do. I think that's pretty common with anything.


I used to be rather "closeted" about furry, but now I treat it like anything else. If it comes up, I won't deny it but I don't go out of my way to make sure everyone knows everything about my identity all the time.

I do really need to go to a con though. I'm having social withdrawals!

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Postby Brace » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:08 pm UTC

Hi. I'm a furry but I hate furries, mostly in concurrence with my homophobia. My fursona species is an American Pika.

I guess in response to general questions, I'm fairly sexual about it, and met my boyfriend through the fandom. I'm not spiritual about it and find therians weird and guilty of appropriation of trans language and identities, but my fursona has strong symbolic meaning for me. Insults about furries don't remotely bother me because it's not a minority status, although there have been a couple of times where someone found out I was a furry and concluded I was a danger to their pets. Even though I'm female. Both times they were gay male roommates. Then again I was also once expelled from a college for transphobia despite being transsexual, because I asked abrasive questions, so it's possible to get yourself into trouble in all sorts of stupid contexts I guess. I've attended RMFC for the last 3 years. I don't fursuit but would like to commission a fursuit partial eventually, not for fetish reasons or comfort reasons but because it might provide a novel form of escapism.
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Postby Brace » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:57 pm UTC

What are some good webcomics? I've never read anything except Better Days and part of Original Life. Most furry webcomics seem geared towards a very specific audience that I'm not a part of.
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Postby Plasma Man » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:47 pm UTC

I admire the anthropomorphic animal art, but that's about it. I don't really understand why some people have a problem with furries - I don't, it's just another subculture. So I'm not a furry, but I'd say I'm fairly furry friendly.
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Postby Fire Brns » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:03 pm UTC

Brace wrote:What are some good webcomics? I've never read anything except Better Days and part of Original Life. Most furry webcomics seem geared towards a very specific audience that I'm not a part of.
Yea, Jay Naylor is one of the best IMO. I like DMFA but I've been much to lazy to read all of it so I'm still going through it's archive.

What really bugs me is all the best artists draw mostly porn. Like wolfy-nail's work, it's great but a google search for it gets NSFW really quickly.
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Postby iChef » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:24 pm UTC

I am not a furry, but have a group of friends that are and have attended social events with them. I think the biggest hurdle that needs to be overcome for the general public to accept furdom is that the NSFW aspects are often too closely intertwined with the more socially acceptable aspects. Like was previously mentioned on many furry websites it can go from wonderfully drawn anthro art into fairly hard core pornography very quickly and with little warning. Even at a couple of the IRL social events I attended after a bit of time the atmosphere and conversation got a lot more sexual than I usually experience at a social gathering. (I really didn't need to know that sexual toys shaped like the naughty bits of a dragon are in production, also how do you know what the naughty bits of a dragon look like? that sounds like a very dangerous bit of research). Anyway if more people were introduced to the fun, the art and the spiritual side I think more mundane people would be far more accepting. Not that anyone should have to hide or be ashamed of their sexuality but there is a time and a place for it and it seems like it is just a bit to forward in the furry community compared to other fandoms I am familiar with.

Also a question for the furries here I would really like to have a solid answer to if possible. What exactly are "otherkin" and is that part of the furry fandom or is that something seperate. I try to be accepting of people as much as I can but that is something I never really understood and would hate to offend someone through my own ignorance.
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Postby darkone238 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:09 am UTC

Otherkin, as I understand it, are people who actually believe they are an animal/creature that isn't human. I wouldn't say it's a part of furry, but some furries are Otherkin. I knew one, but most of the people I knew felt it was a little odd. None of us really "cared" though. We are all unique.

Edit: on the topic of web comics, I liked Blue Crash Kit back in the day but it seems to have disappeared. Anyone know what happened to it?

Edit 2: removed stuff that references a post that no longer exists.
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SecondTalon wrote:Alright, so.. A user was asked to clarify a statement, the user responded, none of it belongs here, and it's a pain for me to fix this sort of thing, so let's not let it happen again.

If you are in any way unclear on how safespaces work, please PM a moderator and we'll be more than happy to explain it. But as a quick little cheatsheet rule thing, if you find your post starting with the phrase "First off...."... you probably have no business making it.

People have opinions. These opinions will be protected to an extent, but also removed when overly inflammatory. So let's just... not recreate what was removed, can we? That'd be swell.



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Postby Xeio » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:42 am UTC

Fire Brns wrote:What really bugs me is all the best artists draw mostly porn. Like wolfy-nail's work, it's great but a google search for it gets NSFW really quickly.
I'd hazard a guess that most commissions are such (or more lucrative, in any case).

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Postby darkone238 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:39 pm UTC

On furaffinity, you can turn off mature/adult submissions, which makes it nice and easy to only see clean art. It can be useful if you don't want anything suggestive at all, and I think you need to opt in anyway (guests only see clean art).

Might be worth a shot for those who like clean furry art.

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Postby Fire Brns » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:58 pm UTC

Although plenty of good art that is questionable without being suggestive and as such gets filtered. I remember one humerous picture I liked could only be found by turning off the mature filter because the punchline was a character streaking. Can't remember the artist's name...
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Postby darkone238 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:40 pm UTC

Yeah that is a downside. I don't filter anything myself, but I typically also only click on one out of every 40 or so submissions I see. I should really prune my watch list :)

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Postby iChef » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:52 pm UTC

Thanks for clearing that up darkone! I think the atmosphere around the furrry fandom is really fun and full of interesting and unique people. It really helps to able able to ask questions to be able to stay on the positive and supporting side even though I feel I'll always be more of a "fellow traveler" than an actual member of the fandom. Anyway can anyone recommend an artist who does more "realistic" style furry art. Something like if a wolf and a human were really blended into one being rather than a more cartoony depiction. I have a very good friend at work who is a wolf-type furry and I would like to get her a nice piece of art, maybe an oil painting or a really nice charcoal drawing of her fursona for her birthday which is coming up soon, but I am rather lost on where to start. Many of the artists I've looked at so far have done more cartoon or comic style drawings, while they are very beautiful and well done are not quite what I am looking for. Again thank you everyone here for your understanding and patience while I am trying to learn more about furdom from the outside, you guys are great!
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Postby EdgarJPublius » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:02 pm UTC

iChef wrote: Anyway can anyone recommend an artist who does more "realistic" style furry art. Something like if a wolf and a human were really blended into one being rather than a more cartoony depiction. I have a very good friend at work who is a wolf-type furry and I would like to get her a nice piece of art, maybe an oil painting or a really nice charcoal drawing of her fursona for her birthday which is coming up soon, but I am rather lost on where to start. Many of the artists I've looked at so far have done more cartoon or comic style drawings, while they are very beautiful and well done are not quite what I am looking for. Again thank you everyone here for your understanding and patience while I am trying to learn more about furdom from the outside, you guys are great!


Check out Ursula Vernon or Heather Bruton. I dunno if they do commissions, but Dark Natasha's style may also be close to what you're looking for.
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Postby iChef » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:23 pm UTC

Thank you Edgar! Those are all very talented artists and much closer to the style I am am looking for! Really appreciate it. it's going to be a tough choice, but I'm finally heading in the right direction thanks to your guidance.
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Postby darkone238 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:52 pm UTC

Also check out Jocarra. Here's a piece she did for me: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10094022/
My favorite from her: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6844894/

Look through her gallery for more.

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Postby sockpoppet » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:37 am UTC

My story is a bit complicated. I don't consider myself a "furry", I'm not a part of the "furry community" (though I do visit some furry sites occasionally), I've never wanted to go to a furry convention or wear a fursuit, or have a fursona or anything like that. But for some reason I feel sexually attracted to furry porn.

It just happened, I kept finding myself going back to it again and again instead of "normal" porn, for "just one more time", until I finally realized that, what the hell, I might as well accept it.

(and for extra weirdness: despite being an "in real life" straight male, I feel more attracted to male drawings than female ones. I've met other people who were the same way though, so I'm not the only one. And also notice that there is a disproportionately high percentage of gay furry pornography compared to any other kind)


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Postby Fire Brns » Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:22 am UTC

I've seen a lot of discussions on this subject. I have a bunch of theories I've been meaning to test because I'm curious having no firsthand experience. At the risk of being as wrong as Freud: Do you at all feel any weirdness at looking at female anthro art like a disconcertedness? Do you have particularly strong definitions of male and female beauty?

I am generally under the assumption that anthropomorphic forms are so alien to human forms that a "female" features can be a turn off to some people when the introduction of things like fur or paws are introduced respectively to breasts or legs while at the same time those animal features take away from the unattractive from a heterosexual standpoint "masculinity" of the males. I don't wish to make any assumptions about what you are looking at but I would take the educated guess given the type of art usually in discussion that the male subjects you like are generally more androgynous.
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Postby sockpoppet » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:36 pm UTC

Well, sorry to ruin your theory, but I don't really feel any weirdness when looking at female anthro art, and I actually prefer masculine-looking anthros :P.

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Postby darkone238 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:42 am UTC

That's interesting :) Not to say anything about you as a person, but I find it interesting that when I was first getting into furry, that's exactly how I felt (including the straight male->liking furry porn thing). I eventually became more of a part of the fandom, but I can certainly relate to how you're feeling.

I'm glad to see all of these stories :)

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Postby Tomlidich the second » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:34 pm UTC

hello fellow furries! how are yall?

anyways, kinda been steering new gf into liking some fur things, and that might lead places....

we has issues right now which brings sadness, but hopefully it works out.
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Re: The Furry Thread! [Safespace]

Postby darkone238 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:15 am UTC

I hope things work out for you :)

This morning I was listening to the local radio show and a furry called in and talked about his fursuit. I was pleased that the radio station was rather interested in a good way, rather than demonizing him. They asked him to crash their party in a couple weeks in fursuits. I was thinking about attending too.

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Re: The Furry Thread! [Safespace]

Postby Tomlidich the second » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:24 pm UTC

darkone238 wrote:I hope things work out for you :)

This morning I was listening to the local radio show and a furry called in and talked about his fursuit. I was pleased that the radio station was rather interested in a good way, rather than demonizing him. They asked him to crash their party in a couple weeks in fursuits. I was thinking about attending too.

that sounds epic? if i had one made right now....
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Re: The Furry Thread!

Postby blob » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:26 am UTC

Brace wrote:What are some good webcomics? I've never read anything except Better Days and part of Original Life. Most furry webcomics seem geared towards a very specific audience that I'm not a part of.

I don't know if Ozy and Millie counts as furry, but it is one of my favorite webcomics.

Also Inverloch, the source of my avatar, features a fuzzy race known as the Da'kor.
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Re: The Furry Thread!

Postby Puppyclaws » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:51 am UTC

blob wrote:I don't know if Ozy and Millie counts as furry, but it is one of my favorite webcomics.


I should hope so; the creator was the guest of honor at Midwest Furfest several years ago, and again when they invited all previous GOH's back for their 10th anniversary.

Other recommendations:
Concession which unfortunately is over (but may also be very much geared to the specific audience Brace is not a part of);
Lackadaisy which is scarcely updated but pretty excellent when it is.

Basically all of the others I used to know of have stopped as well; either the art of the webcomic is dying or I have stopped caring very much about webcomics (probably the second one).

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Re: The Furry Thread! [Safespace]

Postby darkone238 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:56 pm UTC

Anyone here an artist?

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Re: The Furry Thread! [Safespace]

Postby Tomlidich the second » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:50 pm UTC

went to a hetalia themed anime gathering this weekend, and it was (rather pleasantly) crashed by some furries! they were all super nice and luckily noone in my group were on the hate side of things so it was nice.
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Re: The Furry Thread! [Safespace]

Postby darkone238 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:06 am UTC

Tomlidich the second wrote:went to a hetalia themed anime gathering this weekend, and it was (rather pleasantly) crashed by some furries! they were all super nice and luckily noone in my group were on the hate side of things so it was nice.

That's cool :D Glad you had fun. I actually haven't been to any anime con. I imagine it's not much different from a furcon though.

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Re: The Furry Thread! [Safespace]

Postby Tomlidich the second » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:11 pm UTC

darkone238 wrote:
Tomlidich the second wrote:went to a hetalia themed anime gathering this weekend, and it was (rather pleasantly) crashed by some furries! they were all super nice and luckily noone in my group were on the hate side of things so it was nice.

That's cool :D Glad you had fun. I actually haven't been to any anime con. I imagine it's not much different from a furcon though.

not to different at all actually, many furries to be found their, especially events as big as ALA or AX. probably will see some at Comikaze this weekend.
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