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Re: Inspirations

Postby Quercus » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:57 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:
Jplus wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:I want to lose weight not only to get out of this horrible cycle of failing my semi-annual fitness assessments, but also because I have a year and a half left here and I'd like to be able to go to a beach shirtless at least once before I go and not feel self conscious.

It's probably because I'm not a native speaker, but I'm not sure I fully understand this bit. Do you mean you want to go to a beach shirtless at least once before you get dementia??

Anyway, go you!

I am curious where you got the dementia from.


Equating "self conscious" with "self-aware" would be my guess.

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Re: Inspirations

Postby Yakk » Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:09 pm UTC

I suppose that could drive someone crazy, but it seems an extreme reaction.
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Re: Inspirations

Postby Giant Speck » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:41 pm UTC

OH GOD I'M PASTY WHITE AND FAT DSFG AFD ADSF DKJFDSAKJ FLASJ

[RUNS INTO OCEAN AND DROWNS]
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Re: Inspirations

Postby Diemo » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:08 pm UTC

Angua wrote:Me: great, now we had the tv shelfs for hte monitor we can put the printer there as well as they're pretty sturdy.

bf: NO. We're creating a focal point of the room and you want to put a bloody printer there. 'hey look everyone, there's our printer' Printers go in back rooms. We can put it on the floor in our bedroom.

I think we know which one of the two of us is made for interior design.


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Re: Inspirations

Postby suffer-cait » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:18 am UTC

Giant Speck wrote:OH GOD I'M PASTY WHITE AND FAT DSFG AFD ADSF DKJFDSAKJ FLASJ

[RUNS INTO OCEAN AND DROWNS]

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Re: Inspirations

Postby Jplus » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:31 am UTC

Yakk wrote:
Jplus wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:I want to lose weight not only to get out of this horrible cycle of failing my semi-annual fitness assessments, but also because I have a year and a half left here and I'd like to be able to go to a beach shirtless at least once before I go and not feel self conscious.

It's probably because I'm not a native speaker, but I'm not sure I fully understand this bit. Do you mean you want to go to a beach shirtless at least once before you get dementia??

I am curious where you got the dementia from.

"at least once before I go and not feel self conscious": I interpreted that as "at least once before I don't [or can't] worry about my appearance anymore". I realize it's probably a far-fetched interpretation...
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Re: Inspirations

Postby elminster » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:15 am UTC

FT: Thinking back, i learnt to rewire a plug when I was about 11. My parents went out and cut the plug off the game console cable because they didn't want me to play on it. I opened it up, studied and noted the layout down, stripped the wires with a small kitchen knife, rewired it, and double checked everything was just like how it was. They came back and saw me playing on it, but didn't mention it. Maybe they forgot, but I would have thought they found it pretty strange.
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Re: Inspirations

Postby FierceContinent » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:30 pm UTC

elminster wrote:FT: Thinking back, i learnt to rewire a plug when I was about 11. My parents went out and cut the plug off the game console cable because they didn't want me to play on it. I opened it up, studied and noted the layout down, stripped the wires with a small kitchen knife, rewired it, and double checked everything was just like how it was. They came back and saw me playing on it, but didn't mention it. Maybe they forgot, but I would have thought they found it pretty strange.
I actually did a pretty good job of it (luckily?) considering I'd never seen the inside of one .


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Re: Inspirations

Postby poxic » Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:45 pm UTC

Jplus wrote:"at least once before I go and not feel self conscious": I interpreted that as "at least once before I don't [or can't] worry about my appearance anymore". I realize it's probably a far-fetched interpretation...

Self-conscious means painfully aware of one's awkwardness or other shortcomings. It's usually meant in a negative way. Self-aware is more neutral, meaning simple awareness of what one is doing, feeling, or thinking.

To lose self-consciousness is to forget one's worries and get really involved in something. It's usually temporary. To lose self-awareness is the bad thing and usually not temporary.
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Re: Inspirations

Postby Jplus » Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:32 am UTC

Thanks for that explanation! I feel I understand English a bit better now.

As an aside, my incorrect interpretation was also partly due to a misunderstanding of the constituent structure of the sentence. It should be

[...] and I'd like to be able to go to a beach shirtless [at least once before I go] and [not feel self conscious],

but I thought it was

[...] and I'd like to be able to go to a beach shirtless [at least once] [before I go and not feel self conscious].
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Re: Inspirations

Postby Yakk » Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:02 pm UTC

Oh, and because I'm an arse, I did some language puns.
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Speck wrote: I want to lose weight not only to get out of this horrible cycle of failing my semi-annual fitness assessments, but also because I have a year and a half left here and I'd like to be able to go to a beach shirtless at least once before I go and not feel self conscious.

J wrote:It's probably because I'm not a native speaker, but I'm not sure I fully understand this bit. Do you mean you want to go to a beach shirtless at least once before you get dementia??

Yakk wrote:I am curious where you got the dementia from.

This is a strange choice of phrasing for English. "where you got the dementia from" implies you got dementia, but in context it would read "where you got the idea that someone was talking about dementia" (basically, using a word to talk about talking about the word).
Quercus wrote:Equating "self conscious" with "self-aware" would be my guess.

The clean reading of this is that Q thinks J thought Speck was saying:
"I'd like to be able to go to a beach shirtless at least once before I go and (lose self awareness)."
Losing self awareness would be no longer being aware of yourself as a being; possibly a form of dementia.

I was a bit of an arse here, and pretended my previous sentence had the "obvious" meaning:
Yakk wrote:I suppose that could drive someone crazy, but it seems an extreme reaction.

I suppose 'Equating "self concsious" with "self-aware"' could drive someone crazy, but simply equating those two driving someone crazy seems like an extreme reaction.' Ie, I reread the previous statement as not being what J did, but rather what J thought Speck did. Or rather, "How did you get dementia?" "I equated 'self-awareness' with 'self-consiousness'", and not as actual behaviors, but rather as as concepts, and thinking about them being the same thing drove one crazy.

This is deliberate misunderstanding of what someone says, after making ambiguous statements, a lower form of humor than puns.

Speck (I think) got what I was doing (being silly) and took the game a step further:
Speck wrote:OH GOD I'M PASTY WHITE AND FAT DSFG AFD ADSF DKJFDSAKJ FLASJ

[RUNS INTO OCEAN AND DROWNS]

His self awareness (awareness of self-existence) became self consciousness (awareness of your own awkwardness), and hence became insane.

I hope that over-analysis of bad linguistic jokes helps a non-English speaker understand the thread. I also hope I properly read what the various parties where trying to communicate; given that the humor was about miscommunication, I have little hope.
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Re: Inspirations

Postby Quercus » Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:25 pm UTC

This is a rare case where the explanation of a joke is funnier than the joke itself - Yakk, that was comedy gold.

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Re: Inspirations

Postby SecondTalon » Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:28 pm UTC

Jplus wrote:Thanks for that explanation! I feel I understand English a bit better now.
let me fix that with this grammatically correct sentence.


Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
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Re: Inspirations

Postby Quercus » Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:35 pm UTC

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Jplus wrote:Thanks for that explanation! I feel I understand English a bit better now.
let me fix that with this grammatically correct sentence.


Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo


Which is only grammatically correct in US English (buffalo as a verb is US-specific). I was confused about people saying that sentence was gramatically correct for years - I just kept thinking: "what? It has no verb?"

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Re: Inspirations

Postby Jplus » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:52 am UTC

Yeah, I completely missed the jokes. Thanks for highlighting them, Yakk. :)
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Re: Inspirations

Postby eSOANEM » Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:56 am UTC

Quercus wrote:
SecondTalon wrote:
Jplus wrote:Thanks for that explanation! I feel I understand English a bit better now.
let me fix that with this grammatically correct sentence.


Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo


Which is only grammatically correct in US English (buffalo as a verb is US-specific). I was confused about people saying that sentence was gramatically correct for years - I just kept thinking: "what? It has no verb?"


Huh, I assumed it was just a weird word no-one used much any more. It being US specific makes a lot more sense given how often people repeat the "grammatically correct" thing.

The "had had" one is still my favourite because recursive iteration.
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Re: Inspirations

Postby SecondTalon » Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:47 pm UTC

James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher.

Even with clarifying punctuation, it's still full of wat.

James, while John had had "had," had had "had had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher.
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Re: Inspirations

Postby SlyReaper » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:33 pm UTC

When did "had" become a noun?
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Re: Inspirations

Postby Carlington » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:47 pm UTC

"On the grammar exam, the final question required the students to properly form the past perfect of the verb "to have". James, while John had had "had", had had "had had"; "had had" was the more correct of the two."
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Re: Inspirations

Postby Carlington » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:48 pm UTC

Carlington wrote:"On the grammar exam, the final question required the students to properly form the past perfect of the verb "to have". James, while John had had "had", had had "had had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher"




(It was right above me, and I still missed the last clause)
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Re: Inspirations

Postby Fractal_Tangent » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:50 pm UTC

Ok, after reading that a couple of times, 'had' is no longer a word.
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Re: Inspirations

Postby eSOANEM » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:51 pm UTC

And then you can loop the whole thing by having a paper asking the students how to make that sentence grammatical giving you:

James, while John had had "had had had had had had had had", had had "had had had had had had had had had"; "had had had had had had had had had" was the more correct of the two.

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Re: Inspirations

Postby Fractal_Tangent » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:51 pm UTC

Please stop... My brain is doing the hurty.
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Re: Inspirations

Postby Carlington » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:54 pm UTC

Just don't get me started about the sign painter at the chipper up the road...
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Re: Inspirations

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:29 pm UTC

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Re: Inspirations

Postby PolakoVoador » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:27 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:
Jplus wrote:Thanks for that explanation! I feel I understand English a bit better now.
let me fix that with this grammatically correct sentence.


Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo


While I can understand the "had had had had" madness, I have no idea what is going on with this bufallo thing. Can anyone help this non-native speaker?

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Postby Fractal_Tangent » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:33 pm UTC

As a native speaker, I have never understood it. Even with the Wiki page.
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Re: Inspirations

Postby Quercus » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:42 pm UTC

PolakoVoador wrote:
SecondTalon wrote:
Jplus wrote:Thanks for that explanation! I feel I understand English a bit better now.
let me fix that with this grammatically correct sentence.


Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo


While I can understand the "had had had had" madness, I have no idea what is going on with this bufallo thing. Can anyone help this non-native speaker?


A buffalo is a large mammal, Buffalo is a city in New York state and to buffalo is to "bully or indimidate" in US slang.


The key bit of the Wikipedia article is:

"Buffalo buffalo (buffalo from Buffalo NY) [that] Buffalo buffalo buffalo (that the buffalo from Buffalo NY bully) buffalo Buffalo buffalo (are bullying buffalo from Buffalo NY)."

Or if we replace the terms with synonyms (or less precise specifiers, because cities don't really have synonyms):

New York bison [that] New York bison indimidate, intimdate New York bison [in turn].

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Re: Inspirations

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:26 am UTC

Bully[10]!
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I kind of love this.
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Re: Inspirations

Postby PolakoVoador » Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:07 pm UTC

Fractal_Tangent wrote:

I kind of love this.


Thanks for the answers, I kind of get it now. The link is awesome (and it was linked by Link just before my post and I totally failed to see it), but I will admit to not being able to completely follow the more complex examples :| I think it is this weird "to buffalo" verb that keeps throwing me off

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Re: Inspirations

Postby roband » Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:51 pm UTC

PolakoVoador wrote: linked by Link

It was a Link link? That's a helluva link. A Link link link?

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Postby You, sir, name? » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:11 pm UTC

I've been increasingly thinking of quitting my job and taking a year long sabbatical from my career to think through where I want to go in life and to work on all the things I don't have the time or energy to do alongside of a full time job.

Feels like my current job is sucking the life, creativity and sanity out of me. I emphatically dislike the unmotivated and cynical person it's turning me into.

I have the money to bankroll this, but it's still not an easy decision to make, walking away from a steady and large paycheck, coworkers I call friends, and the security of employment; into a free but uncertain future.
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Re: Inspirations

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You, sir, name? wrote:I've been increasingly thinking of quitting my job and taking a year long sabbatical from my career to think through where I want to go in life and to work on all the things I don't have the time or energy to do alongside of a full time job.

Feels like my current job is sucking the life, creativity and sanity out of me. I emphatically dislike the unmotivated and cynical person it's turning me into.

I have the money to bankroll this, but it's still not an easy decision to make, walking away from a steady and large paycheck, coworkers I call friends, and the security of employment; into a free but uncertain future.

Maybe start with a three month unpaid time off period? Work might agree to that and then you'll have the opportunity to return there.
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Re: Inspirations

Postby You, sir, name? » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:38 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
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You, sir, name? wrote:I've been increasingly thinking of quitting my job and taking a year long sabbatical from my career to think through where I want to go in life and to work on all the things I don't have the time or energy to do alongside of a full time job.

Feels like my current job is sucking the life, creativity and sanity out of me. I emphatically dislike the unmotivated and cynical person it's turning me into.

I have the money to bankroll this, but it's still not an easy decision to make, walking away from a steady and large paycheck, coworkers I call friends, and the security of employment; into a free but uncertain future.

Maybe start with a three month unpaid time off period? Work might agree to that and then you'll have the opportunity to return there.


Yeah, already tried that. They require 5 years of employment (I have 4) and 7 months notice (wtf) to offer it. I may be able to extort my way into unpaid leave by threatening to quit, but that isn't really my style.

This isn't something I've come up with just now, I've been thinking about it for a good year. I talked to my boss/HR last spring and let them know I'm unhappy with the situation, and they were sympathetic and the message I got from them was one of their more valued employees and they really didn't want to see me go so they'd make changes to make better use of my talents. But these changes have just completely failed to materialize. I severely doubt they missed the part where the subtext of the conversation we had was more or less "I'm unhappy and I'll probably leave the company soon," and I'm not the type of guy who complains twice, so at this point, I'm really out of options (aside from staying and leaving).

Besides, it's not very hard to find a new job when you're a demonstrably experienced and competent software developer, should I decide to jump back in again. It's very much a seller's market, and I don't think that's about to change anytime soon.
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Re: Inspirations

Postby Yakk » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:47 pm UTC

You could try this:
I will taking a year off working starting on the Xth of Y. This can either be me offering notice, or if you prefer you can make it a formal leave of absence. Let me know what you decide.

If they value you highly enough, they might change procedures.

I would want to have a plan on what you want to work on during that time, to explain resume gaps. Note that when getting a new job, making it clear why you won't do this again might be important. Also making it not look like you got let go, and haven't managed to find a job for a year.
One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision - BR

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Re: Inspirations

Postby Lazar » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:43 pm UTC

I love magnanimity. It's such an underrated virtue.
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