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black history

Postby natraj » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:27 am UTC

if i remember i will try to post some article about black history every day this month* but PROBABLY I WILL FORGET i am bad at remembering Things

anyway to start out with,

black wall street,

one of the country's most thriving & affluent black neighborhoods that was destroyed by a violent white supremacist mob, because white people hate seeing black folks thrive.

*probably other times as well
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Re: black history

Postby ObsessoMom » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:53 am UTC

Great idea, natraj.

The StoryCorps oral history project sometimes creates animations to go along with people's stories. This one seems particularly suited to Black History Month:

https://storycorps.org/animation/schools-out/

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Re: black history

Postby Ginger » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:50 am UTC

Amy Lee wrote:Just what we all need... more lies about a world that never was and never will be.


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Re: black history

Postby natraj » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:54 pm UTC

next up in black history,

sister rosetta tharpe! one of the pioneers of rock n roll, an enormous contributing influence to the genre as a whole and it's popularity, wasn't inducted into the rock n roll hall of fame until this past december despite this. p much a rock legend.
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Re: black history

Postby Ginger » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:50 pm UTC

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Re: black history

Postby natraj » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:06 pm UTC

THREE DAYS in and already as predictified, i am a forgettyface, wups! issok my brain is full of holes,

as a result two link today,

#1 bessie coleman, is the first of black woman pilot in america (btw over 90% of us pilots still are white),

2 is african soldiers during ww2, often forgotten when talking of Who Fight In WW2. over half a million african soldiers fought for the british, many of them forcibly conscripted because the british not so much big on Other People's Sovereignty.
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Re: black history

Postby ObsessoMom » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:15 pm UTC

natraj wrote:next up in black history,

sister rosetta tharpe! one of the pioneers of rock n roll, an enormous contributing influence to the genre as a whole and it's popularity, wasn't inducted into the rock n roll hall of fame until this past december despite this. p much a rock legend.


I love her double windmill at 1:45 of this video. Rock on, Sister!

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Re: black history

Postby Ginger » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:05 pm UTC

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Re: black history

Postby natraj » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:41 pm UTC

because philly is on fire today and full of EXCITEMENT some philadelphia-centric history for today,

when philly cops bombed the MOVE compound in a residential neighborhood, killed eleven people incl. 5 children, & burned down several blocks of a middle-class black neighborhood bc they refused to let firefighters put the fire out!

of course literally not a single person involved in orchestrating or carrying out the attack was ever charged with anything! the subsequent investigation was like "lol them Dumbass Negroes just committed suicide the cops [who were shooting at them while trying to run out of a burning building, so they ran back inside] aren't at fault".
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Re: black history

Postby Zohar » Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:26 pm UTC

natraj wrote:because philly is on fire today and full of EXCITEMENT some philadelphia-centric history for today,

when philly cops bombed the MOVE compound in a residential neighborhood, killed eleven people incl. 5 children, & burned down several blocks of a middle-class black neighborhood bc they refused to let firefighters put the fire out!

There's an excellent podcast called Stuff You Missed in History Class that had a lengthy episode on the MOVE bombing, if people are interested in more audio-based tellings.
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Re: black history

Postby Ginger » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:52 pm UTC

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Re: black history

Postby natraj » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:29 pm UTC

in popular narrative the black panthers were A Threat because they were dangerous! armed! cop killers! MILITANT VIOLENT negroes!

but naaah that's a false revisionist narrative. you know what really terrified the government about the black panthers? they fed kids. they ran free clinics. they had been armed for ages; the government got terrified and wanted them destroyed because they were uplifting and caring for black communities.
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Re: black history

Postby natraj » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:26 pm UTC

slavery & american universities

it's funny because i've heard from A Lot of white people anything from resignation/exasperation to bitter invective & anger because a ridiculously large number of white people have the misapprehension that actually, university education is 100% free to all us negros. i heard this angrily or just matter-of-factly from poor white people who were like "well yeah of course YOU get to school but WE don't the government doesn't pay for OUR school" and snarkily/judgmentally from white people at college with me or my brother (we went to brown and harvard respectively, so these were people who by the usual societal standards you might expect to, you know, have gotten some kind of education along the way) like "well it isn't easy for us like you we don't just automatically get a Free Ride here"*

BUUUT given the long and storied history of colleges directly profiting off the enslaved labor of black people YOU KNOW probably they should be giving us free college**

*even after explaining to some of these people that i didn't in fact get a free ride they literally thought i was lying and were shocked or in some cases smug when i dropped out of college
**i think we should be giving literally everyone in the country free college but that's a separate question
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Re: black history

Postby ObsessoMom » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:55 am UTC

Wonderful article, natraj. Thanks for that.

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Re: black history

Postby ObsessoMom » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:19 am UTC

I heard this brief piece on public radio's Marketplace show today:

Barriers to homeownership still exist for people of color

I.e., redlining is alive and well.

The piece really is brief, so it will take only a few minutes to check it out. But here's an excerpt anyway, if you're in a hurry. (The bolding is mine).

Ryssdal: One of the things we haven't talked about is the more big-picture socioeconomic thing, which is one of the ways you build individual wealth in this economy is by home ownership. And part of the reason that there's such a gap in black and white wealth in this country is because blacks have been excluded from buying homes, in part because of redlining like this.

Glantz: Right. So today, according to the Census Bureau, the average white family is worth about 15 times the average black one. Fifteen times. And a lot of that has to do with the homeownership gap that we talked about earlier. That the homeownership gap in America today is wider than it was when segregation was legal and discrimination was legal. Our investigation found that in 61 cities across America — Washington, D.C., Atlanta, Detroit, Chico, California — that in all of these places, even when you control for income and the size of the loan and the neighborhood that somebody wants to buy in, that people of color are more likely to be turned away. And then we turn and we say, "Well, we have this huge racial wealth gap. Are these two things connected?" You tell me.


I'd long been aware of redlining on the part of banks, but I hadn't been thinking beyond the outrageous injustice to the individuals who are denied a loan. Which is bad enough, but worse when one considers the effects down through the generations, when whole categories of people are denied opportunities to build financial stability through property ownership.

[Edited to add some more bolding. "The homeownership gap in America today is wider than it was when segregation was legal and discrimination was legal." Wow.]
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Re: black history

Postby Zohar » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:21 pm UTC

When we were getting a home we took a first home buyers' course and the instructor explained to us mortgage companies/banks want to see each person having at least three lines of credit. We only had two, but apparently you can be signed on to other people's credit cards (not as able to use them, just that they vouch that you're a decent person basically) and list it as another credit line. If you have a well-to-do family that is willing to do that for you, it's much easier to get a mortgage. This is, of course, a stupid mechanism that disproportionately benefits people with more connections to wealth, and that means white people, in general.

So yeah, this definitely exists. If we couldn't have been signed on to my in-laws' credit we would have had to wait a lot longer before getting a place.
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Re: black history

Postby poxic » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:44 am UTC

I was reminded today of the history of Hogan's Alley in Vancouver, in the Strathcona neighbourhood in the Downtown Eastside. Wiki article with some sources, excerpts below.

A multi-ethnic community existed in a 2x4 block stretch in one of the poorer parts of town from the early 1900s to around 1970. It was often considered to be a primarily black neighbourhood, possibly because it had the city's only black church. Since most sleeping car porters were black at the time, there's a theory that they lived there to be close to the railway station. It was also more affordable than other areas.

From about the 1930s onward, there were repeated gentrification efforts by the city. Finally a large part of the area was demolished in 1972 to make way for an overpass for a freeway that was never built. Large parts of Chinatown and Gastown (older part of town) were also targeted. Action by the Strathcona community and Chinatown businesspeople stopped the remaining redevelopment. The overpass is in use today to allow commuters to avoid a few traffic lights, but it is scheduled to be torn down.

Nora Hendrix, Jimi's grandmother, was born in Tennessee and moved to Hogan's Alley in about 1911. There is a statue of Jimi Hendrix in the former Hogan's Alley area as a tribute to him, and possibly also to her and to Hogan's Alley. (More about Nora in this article about Jimi.)


(poxic's addendum: lots of politicians stumping about getting the overpass torn down so we can "restore" this or that. I'm not even going to be surprised when we see bunches of brand new condo towers calling themselves "Hogan's Mews" and selling for $1.5k per sq foot.)
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Re: black history

Postby thunk » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:09 pm UTC

My department's newsletter sent out a similar feature today, linking an article on the life of noted black meteorologist, flight instructor, and 1936 Olympic gold medallist Archie Williams:
As I recall, when I came back home . . . people asked me, ‘How did those dirty Nazis treat you?’ To which I always replied, ‘Well, over there at least we didn’t have to ride in the back of the bus.’ “

Later on,
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In 1941, Williams—who was one of the very few black flight instructors in the country—applied to train the first black military pilots at Tuskegee Army Flying School in Alabama. The new corps of African-American pilots would go on to distinguish themselves in battle as the Fighting 99th Squadron, over North Africa and later Italy and the rest of Europe. Williams’s days as a flight instructor were numbered, however, in part because of his scientific training.

Williams, still wanting to serve as a pilot, applied for a commission and ended up getting sent to UCLA instead, to the meteorology program. At the time the war broke out, there were only three university-level meteorology programs in the country. The Army Air Corps had only 62 weather forecasters by July 1940; the entire nation had fewer than 400. The war would create a demand for thousands of forecasters and observers—a demand that could only be met by swift, efficient training, and massive enrollment. By 1942 there were more the 1,700 cadets enrolled in the national program and 6,000 completed the training.


Sadly, as former AMS president Marshall Shepherd pointed out, there's still a long way to go.
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Re: black history

Postby Zohar » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:22 pm UTC

thunk wrote:My department's newsletter sent out a similar feature today, linking an article on the life of noted black meteorologist, flight instructor, and 1936 Olympic gold medallist Archie Williams:
As I recall, when I came back home . . . people asked me, ‘How did those dirty Nazis treat you?’ To which I always replied, ‘Well, over there at least we didn’t have to ride in the back of the bus.’ “

Ooph, that is a terrible situation but a badass answer.
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Re: black history

Postby Liri » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:25 pm UTC

I've been planning on posting this article and today is as good a day as any.

We learned about the Wilmington Insurrection in school here growing up, but I don't know how well known it is outside NC. The insurrection was by white people against the democratically elected black and populist white town leadership and represents the only successful coup d'état in US history and the final movement away from Reconstruction into the Jim Crow era.
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Re: black history

Postby Ginger » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:45 am UTC

Amy Lee wrote:Just what we all need... more lies about a world that never was and never will be.


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Re: black history

Postby dg61 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:10 pm UTC

Is it too late to mention interesting articles/websites in relation to this topic?

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Re: black history

Postby Thesh » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:49 am UTC

I'd be careful. I'm pretty sure you can be arrested for talking about black history outside of February.
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Re: black history

Postby ObsessoMom » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:37 am UTC

Morgan Freeman says a lot of things about race with which I vehemently disagree, but I wholeheartedly endorse his statement that relegating Black history to just one month is ridiculous.

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Re: black history

Postby Angua » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:17 am UTC

I mean, having a time dedicated to highlight it is important? It doesn't mean you can't talk about it outside of then, and it's ridiculous that people would say that as though awareness/appreciation for any other thing that has a day or a month doesn't get done outside of then.
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Re: black history

Postby ObsessoMom » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:13 pm UTC

Anyway, dg61, whatever you want to post that's related to this topic, we'll probably be receptive to it, year-round. Post away.

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Re: black history

Postby natraj » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:52 pm UTC

today is juneteenth! one of my favourite holidays. not exactly the end of slavery, but the day over two years later when the news of the legal end of slavery * finally made its way through the last of the confederacy.

*definitely not the end of slavery, though, despite white people wanting to pretend it was Ancient History there were black people still working in slavery conditions on the same plantations they'd been for generations up through the 1960s.

anyway, personally i don't celebrate july 4 but i do celebrate juneteenth as independence day.
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Re: black history

Postby poxic » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:09 pm UTC

Happy Juneteenth! *party hat*
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Re: black history

Postby techblogger911 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:46 am UTC

Sorry I didn't know that it was termed as Juneteenth. Happy Belated Juneteenth guys and gals : )


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