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What is the perfect job?

Postby cacp » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:19 am UTC

After spending 16hrs straight working I'm sitting here with a huge headache trying to wonder what the perfect job is. This is my list so far:

1) Being able to leave work at work after 5pm
2) The ability to go to work and know exactly what you will do for the day
3) The fewer interruptions the better
4) All communications happen through email/outlook so that you have a record
5) Make enough money that you don't have to worry about if you will have enough while waiting in line at McDonalds
6) One boss
7) No slash jobs (aka supervisor/engineer)
8) The ability to take a sick day
9) The right (not privilege) to take a week's vacation

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby Nath » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:51 am UTC

cacp wrote:1) Being able to leave work at work after 5pm
2) The ability to go to work and know exactly what you will do for the day
3) The fewer interruptions the better
4) All communications happen through email/outlook so that you have a record

I disagree with the above. I like to work at odd hours. I like a certain amount of flexibility and spontaneity when planning my day. Interruptions can be annoying, but sometimes they help me clear my head and approach a problem differently. Email is nice, but certain types of communication are just more effective in person.

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby e946 » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:59 am UTC

cacp wrote:After spending 16hrs straight working I'm sitting here with a huge headache trying to wonder what the perfect job is. This is my list so far:

1) Being able to leave work at work after 5pm
2) The ability to go to work and know exactly what you will do for the day
3) The fewer interruptions the better
4) All communications happen through email/outlook so that you have a record
5) Make enough money that you don't have to worry about if you will have enough while waiting in line at McDonalds
6) One boss
7) No slash jobs (aka supervisor/engineer)
8) The ability to take a sick day
9) The right (not privilege) to take a week's vacation

Help me think of others.


I disagree with like half of those. Making more money wouldn't help, me, because I'd still forget to bring lunch money to work and not be able to buy lunch. i'm not sure exactly what you're referring to by "communications", but if you mean what I think it means, then you're looking for bosses who won't fuck you over, not e-mail only communications. Also, taking a vacation should always be considered a priveledge, even when it's guaranteed in your contract. You're just being a jackass if you take a vacation in the middle of a big project because "you have the right to".

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby aleflamedyud » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:13 am UTC

My perfect job would pay me in vacation time more than it pays me in money. I'll work 10-hour days a week each month (for example, accumulating 10 hours a month for roughly 120 hours (or 5 days) a year) if it means I get that time back as 5 more contiguous days of vacation.

Also, I'd like a job that lets me work according to the Jewish holiday calendar. Christmas is an entirely non-religious occasion to me, so I'd really prefer to have off for the Jewish High Holy Days*.

* -- Depending on where you live, some employers will accommodate in this way.

EDIT: I used math for the vacation time that counted days as 24 hours. Oops. That's actually 15 days vacation time, or 3 weeks. So hell yeah, I'll do crunch time once a month for 3 weeks extra vacation.
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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby Ammo » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:44 am UTC

Anywhere that you are surrounded by cool people. I think thats the most important. Even if the job 'sucks' friends can always make it fun.
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Postby Gelsamel » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:46 am UTC

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby cacp » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:12 pm UTC

Nath wrote:
I disagree with like half of those. Making more money wouldn't help, me, because I'd still forget to bring lunch money to work and not be able to buy lunch. i'm not sure exactly what you're referring to by "communications", but if you mean what I think it means, then you're looking for bosses who won't fuck you over, not e-mail only communications. Also, taking a vacation should always be considered a priveledge, even when it's guaranteed in your contract. You're just being a jackass if you take a vacation in the middle of a big project because "you have the right to".


I work in a law firm so by communications I mean instructions/advice. Basically if I give instructions orally, if the person interprets them wrong they can sue me. Written records are the only thing that can prove your innocence. I also like the idea of all business communications (aka requests) to be done through email so that the question is concise and that I can easily block out time in my schedule to look at it (lawyer's must account for their time in 6min increments every day, with a daily billable requirement of 7-7.5hrs billable per day).

As for vacation, of course I mean don't screw over your employer. But I've worked in places that wouldn't allow you to take vacation because there is no one to cover you, ever! I worked in a job where only I could start the manufacturing equipment in prep for 25 other workers. There was no one to call in if I got sick or needed time off. I could only take vacation pay rather than time off because we were running "lean." Worse job ever.

Oh yeah a couple others on the "wish" list:

9) A job that changes every so often in order to keep me interested.
10) A job with stock options
11) The ultimate would be a job with integrated layoff where you go on employment insurance for 4mths a year and have the dividends payout at the same time to bring your wage back to 100%
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Postby Infornographer » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:51 pm UTC

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Postby aku » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:29 pm UTC

cacp wrote:I work in a law firm so by communications I mean instructions/advice. Basically if I give instructions orally, if the person interprets them wrong they can sue me. Written records are the only thing that can prove your innocence. I also like the idea of all business communications (aka requests) to be done through email so that the question is concise and that I can easily block out time in my schedule to look at it (lawyer's must account for their time in 6min increments every day, with a daily billable requirement of 7-7.5hrs billable per day).

As for vacation, of course I mean don't screw over your employer. But I've worked in places that wouldn't allow you to take vacation because there is no one to cover you, ever! I worked in a job where only I could start the manufacturing equipment in prep for 25 other workers. There was no one to call in if I got sick or needed time off. I could only take vacation pay rather than time off because we were running "lean." Worse job ever.

Oh yeah a couple others on the "wish" list:

9) A job that changes every so often in order to keep me interested.
10) A job with stock options
11) The ultimate would be a job with integrated layoff where you go on employment insurance for 4mths a year and have the dividends payout at the same time to bring your wage back to 100%


ah... that's a bit interesting. After reading the reasons behind your list, it seems like you're not making a "perfect job" list, but rather a "perfect place to work as a lawyer" list. I found that interesting because it made me wonder how different the list will be for different people, not just because of different personality types, but because of the type of work they enjoy doing. In other words, many people will probably think about what things would create the best environment for the work that they are already doing.

That said, I'm hoping to be a computer scientist, and my perfect environment varies a bit from yours.

*I'd like a place where I can work odd hours, and not be tied into any specific schedule.
*I'd like a place that had a community feeling, instead of just a bunch of co-workers.
*I'd like the ability to work my way up to higher responsibilities as a prove my abilities (not moving to a "desk job" position, just more important "hands on" job).

That's all I can really think of for now though.

There are obviously quite a few things that every could agree on though, such as satisfying pay, reasonable vacation time, and job security. I'm sure there are many more... I'm just not drawing any.

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby space_raptor » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:29 pm UTC

I like your 5, 8, and 9, but that's it.

I want a job where I want to stay after 5, because I'm enjoying it so much. A job that doesn't feel like a job I do for money, but an integral part of my life.

I like my current job, but I'm still working on that one.
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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby Robin S » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:35 pm UTC

I would like to be able to work whenever, and wherever, I feel like it. Therefore, there should be no fixed hours whatsoever and so my job should have aspects which are doable given access to a computer and possibly internet access, regardless of time of day. Accordingly, pay would be productivity-based or on a per-hour basis rather than, say, monthly.

It should always be possible to be working on something I find interesting or at least enjoyable; this would hopefully improve productivity (and therefore pay :D).

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby tiny » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:08 pm UTC

The perfect job for me would be one that

1. pays me just enough to be able to save a bit each month,
2. doesn't force me to interact with living humans a lot,
3. allows me to sometimes listen to music or think about stuff while I'm working,
4. gives me room for a bit of creativity,
5. gives me a bit of responsibility, but not too much,
6. is likely to last until I retire,
7. is not too far away from my home so I can go there by foot,
8. allows me a fair amount of free days.
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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby LiraelGoldenhand » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:35 pm UTC

cacp wrote:After spending 16hrs straight working I'm sitting here with a huge headache trying to wonder what the perfect job is. This is my list so far:

1) Being able to leave work at work after 5pm
2) The ability to go to work and know exactly what you will do for the day
3) The fewer interruptions the better
4) All communications happen through email/outlook so that you have a record
5) Make enough money that you don't have to worry about if you will have enough while waiting in line at McDonalds
6) One boss
7) No slash jobs (aka supervisor/engineer)
8) The ability to take a sick day
9) The right (not privilege) to take a week's vacation

Help me think of others.


I like 3, 4, 6, 8, and 9 [I disagree with 5 because I don't eat at McDonald's :)]. My idea of a perfect job is doing something that I like and being paid well for it, and, of course, having the liberty to take sick days and vacations if/when needed. Flexible hours are something I have enjoyed, although I've never worked more than eight hours in one day, no matter what the times were, and knowing exactly what I'm going to be doing for the day isn't really that important to me, because I enjoy surprises (albeit pleasant ones).

Of course, my only jobs have been film-related, and those films have been independent films at best, so I'm not really speaking from mounds and mounds of experience, here. ;)
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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby Malice » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:35 pm UTC

My perfect job... doing something I love, making enough money to be termed "obscenely rich", flexible hours, not too much in the boss area (or really nice bosses), and having good feedback provided (rather than working in a vacuum).

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Postby space_raptor » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:59 pm UTC

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Postby MotorToad » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:27 pm UTC

1) Work at home.
2) Or any internet connection for 80% productivity (gotta have the VOIP, bitches!)
3) Pay by Paypal
4) Enough that I'm not worried about the next check.
5) Or the one after that.
6) At work at 10:00, alarm set for 9:55).
7) Off work at 6:00, but often don't notice 6:00 because I'm on IRC/XKCD/wiki.
8) Communicate through IM (with logs).
9) Never even seen a picture of my boss.
10) Job security.

Guess which one I don't have! :)
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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby cacp » Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:17 am UTC

MotorToad wrote:1) Work at home.
2) Or any internet connection for 80% productivity (gotta have the VOIP, bitches!)
3) Pay by Paypal
4) Enough that I'm not worried about the next check.
5) Or the one after that.
6) At work at 10:00, alarm set for 9:55).
7) Off work at 6:00, but often don't notice 6:00 because I'm on IRC/XKCD/wiki.
8) Communicate through IM (with logs).
9) Never even seen a picture of my boss.
10) Job security.

Guess which one I don't have! :)
And, no, sorry, we're not hiring.


I'm guessing number 10...If I find you

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby paranoid_one » Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:14 pm UTC

i work as system administrator and security engineer in a swiss it security firm and i think it's quite perfect for me,
because i have:

- a lot of fun at work and lots of other nerds in the buero
- all kinds of work, so it never gets boring
- enough money to go to a restaurant (a real restaurant, no mc donalds and stuff :P) every day
- job security (permanent employee)
- a being on first-name terms with everybody including the boss
- nothing to do with customers
- the ability to learn a lot, my employer also provides educational services and certifications which get paid for employees
- cool feedback

i think the most important thing should just be fun. most of you mentioned money first.

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby Tchebu » Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:54 pm UTC

1. pays me just enough to be able to save a bit each month,
2. doesn't force me to interact with living humans a lot,
3. allows me to sometimes listen to music or think about stuff while I'm working,
4. gives me room for a bit of creativity,
5. gives me a bit of responsibility, but not too much,
6. is likely to last until I retire,
7. is not too far away from my home so I can go there by foot,
8. allows me a fair amount of free days.


The only thing that comes to mind when reading that is doing autopsies... lol... fits especially nice with 2 and 4

Edit: I would also put mathematician/philosopher/theoretical physicist in there but chances are there will be some problems with 1... so yeh.. let's stick to autopsies.
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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby Eleyras » Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:55 pm UTC

For me?

*Something I enjoy doing
*At or near a computer so I can browse fora while at work, it takes less time than you'd think
*Not on my feet all the time (I work retail right now...)
*A place without ambient music, that allows me to listen to my own music.

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby 4=5 » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:20 pm UTC

I want a job that
1 forces me to interact with people, with at least some of the same people every day year after year
2 lets me work on improveing something
3 is with plants
4 makes enough so that I can eat
5 has job securaty

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby Bluggo » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:59 pm UTC

I want a job that...
wait, that's already wrong, I don't want a job.

I want lots of money, a beautiful villa, and a fleet of Zeppelins ;-)
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Postby Infornographer » Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:35 pm UTC

I had this discussion with one of the grads today.

"Step one: marry into money. Step two: learn for the rest of your life."

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Postby MotorToad » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:28 pm UTC

cacp wrote:
I'm guessing number 10...If I find you

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby Devilsaur » Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:54 am UTC

I'm easy:
1. Something I enjoy that is meaningful and makes a difference
2. Something that will provide security (financially and for the future)
3. Something with coworkers and an environment I'd prosper in

I'm quite lucky, being born in the first world and capable of doing at least above average academically. So I'm not going to squander it and I'm working through my education towards all of these :)

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby bbctol » Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:51 pm UTC

1)Something I'd do even if I wasn't paid.
2)And yet, it pays well.

Like being a world-famous writer. Or something.

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Postby bigglesworth » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:27 pm UTC

4=5 wrote:I want a job that
1 forces me to interact with people, with at least some of the same people every day year after year
2 lets me work on improving something
3 is with plants
4 makes enough so that I can eat
5 has job security


I'd say Teaching apart from the plants bit. I'm not sure how that fits in with many of the others to be honest. I may just be too small minded.
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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby Ess » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:54 pm UTC

The perfect job has:

1) Minimal direct human interaction
2) Decent pay
3) Plenty of vacation/sick days
4) Enough work that I feel like I'm earning my keep, but no so much that I'm swamped and don't have downtime
5) A boss that's cool with me doing random crap like reading Wikipedia/googling for slightly dirty fanfiction/whatever when I've got downtime.

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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby Brandon Oto » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:50 pm UTC

aleflamedyud wrote:My perfect job would pay me in vacation time more than it pays me in money. I'll work 10-hour days a week each month (for example, accumulating 10 hours a month for roughly 120 hours (or 5 days) a year) if it means I get that time back as 5 more contiguous days of vacation.


There are stories like this... firefighters in California working straight shifts (24-hour days, every day) for a month by borrowing shifts, then just jetting to their other house in Hawaii for two months, repeat. Sounds a little nuts, but nice work if you can get it.

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Postby PictureSarah » Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:01 pm UTC

I don't know what agency the firefighters you've heard of doing this belong to, but my dad is a USFS firefighter in California, and I can assure you, it doesn't work quite like that. Yes, when he works he does build up "use or lose" vacation time, but there are strict rules on how long you can be on the fire line before you have to take a certain number of hours off. You also have a certain amount of annual leave, sick days, personal days, etc. My dad can usually take about a month off in the winter, when nothing's on fire...it's nice, but he doesn't make even close to enough money to have a second home in Hawaii. I think a federal firefighter, of my dad's rank (he's the captain of a fire engine) makes a base salary of about $39K a year. He ends up making more than that because of overtime, hazard pay, etc on fires...but still, that's not a huge amount if one is the sole providor of a family, especially with the cost of living in California. Not uncomfortable, but not enough for second homes in Hawaii.

Like I said, though, I don't know how the other agencies (CDF for instance) operate. I know that their pay is roughly twice that of federal firefighters, so the house in Hawaii might be a possibility for them.
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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby Brandon Oto » Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:56 pm UTC

These individuals are mostly myth and legend, I think, but I'm sure a few people do it. The ones I heard of were all in city/county departments, not with CDF (now CalFire) or a larger agency. Obviously you need to have a department that allows you to pile on shifts, and presumably one that pays well. It's not vacation time, it's basically just trading your shifts around on a macro scale.

Maybe they hold down jobs in Hawaii, too. I just remember thinking it was a wacky way to go.

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Postby 22/7 » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:06 pm UTC

Professional rock climber/alpinist, maybe leading expeditions for a company like NOLS, or teaching for a similar company.
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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby loratwopointone » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:10 pm UTC

1. Working with people I actually like
2. Full use of internet, even just at lunchtime.
3. Free food
4. Nothing that involves me moving
5. I don't have to wear a suit
6. Doesn't involve me speaking to customers/general idiots.
7. I don't have to sell anything.

I'm lazy, what can I say.
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Re: What is the perfect job?

Postby cacp » Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:02 am UTC

I was thinkin this weekend, if I was to start my own company I would

a) start a constuction business where people would make $19/hr (max 4 employees)
b) people work for 6mths, then temporary layoff's for 6mths out of the year
c) employment insurance would kick in and pay $1600 per month (max EI payment at $19/hr, to 55% max, GO CANADA!!)
d) employee stock dividend would like in to cover the other 45%

Result, 6mth work with pay, 6mth EI+dividend. Construction can only happen during the summer, winter is spent relaxing with family. What do you guys think? It's actually very similar to the deal GM has with the CDN gov't regarding their workers.

PS personally I hate unions (too communistic for my liking) and like stock dividends for incentive to do good work. If the company makes money, you make money. IE build 4 apt per year and it all equals out.
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