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Postby M1k3_Nix » Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:31 am UTC

Fess; i drink far too much
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and yes i was violently ill because of it. drinking is bad kids
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Postby KestrelLowing » Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:25 pm UTC

I know for certainty that I don't have aspergers, but sometimes a little part of me wishes I did so I'd have an excuse. I just don't care about the huge majority of people I know. They just don't matter to me. The crazy thing is people I don't know that I just hear about on the internet or something are more important to me that people I've met. I actually care about six people - and those are my parents, siblings, and boyfriend. Everyone else just seems to annoy me. I don't actually have any friends.

Also, I'm beginning to think I'm only good for repetitive jobs. I've actually got some work now at my job but I don't want to do it because it actually takes a bit of thought (that horrible area where it's not mindless so you can just think about something else, but not difficult enough to actually be interesting).

I'm pathetic. Why can't I just force myself to do the stupid work? I keep telling myself I'm better than this because I've always been good in school. I want to be someone who knows things, who can do things well, but the ability to get As on tests doesn't really translate in the real world very well. I've been told I was smart since I was in kindergarten. People always assumed I could do great things. I did too. Now I realize that I'm probably never going to have a job that I enjoy because I can't force myself to do the remedial stuff that people assign you to see if you can be trusted.

Maybe I should just walk dogs.

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Postby podbaydoor » Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:37 pm UTC

Kestrel, I feel almost exactly the same way. Data entry is soul sucking but it just doesn't take any thought to do it. Video editing? Constant mental effort all the time.

Sometimes it helps me to take a walk. Refresh my brain and tell myself why the project needs to be done.
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Postby mjm » Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:13 pm UTC

If you don't mind my asking, how do you know for certain that you don't have Asperger's?

I completely relate to what you say about people. I just, well, I don't really have anything to add...so...you're not alone, though you probably knew this.

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Postby KestrelLowing » Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:39 pm UTC

mjm wrote:If you don't mind my asking, how do you know for certain that you don't have Asperger's?

I completely relate to what you say about people. I just, well, I don't really have anything to add...so...you're not alone, though you probably knew this.


Yeah, thankfully through school and the forums and various other places where geeky type people like to hang out have shown me I'm not the only person that just isn't as interested in other people. I just feel kind of bad for not feeling bad.

Our house got robbed last night (I'm living with 3 other co-ops). Thankfully nothing of mine was taken, but a laptop and a PS3 was. I managed to make myself act sympathetic, but I just didn't care. I felt like a horrible person.

I know I don't have Asperger's because I don't fit a lot of the criteria. About the only criteria I do meet is in the socially awkward category. I don't really have repetitive type behavior, I don't really concentrate on a specific topic, I don't have huge issues reading body language (although I'm not nearly as adept as some others), I use metaphors, non-literal sayings, and idioms all the time, I'm not overly stimulated by light, sound, touch, etc., I have somewhat sub-optimal gross motor skills (more like horrible hand-eye coordination) but my fine motor skills are possibly above average.

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Postby mjm » Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:42 pm UTC

Hmm. The reason I asked was because I was thinking about the discussion in the Disabilities Thread, and I suspect I am mildly Aspergers. I think some of the things you listed are primarily childhood symtoms, especially regarding repetitive motions. I have generally bad motor skills, but I have developed reasonable motor skills for things I do a lot.

About.com wrote:People with AS develop language normally, but often have difficulty with social interactions, fine and gross motor coordination, and eye contact. They may be extremely passionate about just one or two topics, with little patience for small talk. They also may struggle to handle normal daily activities, such as organizing time, managing conflict, or even facing the sensory overload presented by malls and grocery stores...Questions they may ask themselves: How far away do I stand from another person? How long can I talk about my favorite subject? What's the right answer to "how are you?"...If these are the types of questions that puzzle you on a regular basis, you may already have considered the possibility that you have AS. And "if you think you have Asperger syndrome, you probably do," says Michael John Carley, Executive Director of Global and Regional Partnership for Asperger Syndrome (GRASP).


Just a thought. As for myself, I've considered it, but it wouldn't make a difference, so I don't see any point in getting a formal diagnosis one way or the other.

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Postby SecondTalon » Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:50 pm UTC

Just remember - the primary cause of Aspergers is reading about it on the Internet.


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This is sarcasm for the tendency of people to self-diagnose themselves with Aspergers when really all they have is a case of "Need To Get The Fuck Out Of The House And Talk To People, I Mean Damn". There really are people with Aspergers, some of them on this very forum. They've also had someone who presumably went to some sort of school where they teach you the difference between Aspergers and Not take a look at them and say "Yep, you're not in the Nots." and then probably laugh at their own little nonjoke, thus further alienating the person they're diagnosing.
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Postby mjm » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:05 pm UTC

Curse you and your sensibleness! Just because I have migranes and mono and gout and scurvy doesn't mean I don't have Aspergers!

Yes, perhaps I should not suggest such things. However, I thought it pertinent to point out that adult symptoms are less marked than child symptoms. Heck, since I've already lost all credibility, I could even bring up an anecdote which proves the matter. But seriously, someone I know who use to run around the house making that sort of flapping motion with his hands at his sides is now much more apparently normal.

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Postby pseudoidiot » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:20 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Just remember - the primary cause of [disease/condition/ailment/whatever] is reading about it on the Internet.
FTFY

Then someone had to come along and make this.
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Postby podbaydoor » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:22 pm UTC

Getting out of the house helps. I was a hermit all through high school and was nearly oblivious to any of the nuances of talking to real people. I've improved a little at reading people since then, and my confidence at being out in public has gotten huge boosts. I'm still an introvert and I'll go away to have introvert time, but I also look forward to socializing and meeting new people.
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Postby Kewangji » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:35 pm UTC

I have no idea whether I'm an introvert or an extrovert (or exactly in the middle?) and I don't know how to find out.
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Postby Sandry » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:49 pm UTC

Kewangji wrote:I have no idea whether I'm an introvert or an extrovert (or exactly in the middle?) and I don't know how to find out.

The classic question is "what do you do to recharge?" If it's something you need to do by yourself, you're likely an introvert. If it's something you do that's social, you're likely an extrovert.

You don't really have to be all or nothing, though. I'm almost on the line, but slightly more on the introverted side. Seriously, though, parties require me to have a craptonne of "deal with it" stocked up before I head over, particularly if they have a fair number of people I don't already know.
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Postby podbaydoor » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:00 pm UTC

Okay, you know how people went derp when Oregonaut and I changed avatars? You two just did that to me.
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Postby Sandry » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:12 pm UTC

podbaydoor wrote:Okay, you know how people went derp when Oregonaut and I changed avatars? You two just did that to me.

Huh. It didn't even occur to me that we were both flying the asparagus pride colours.

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Kewangji wrote:I have no idea whether I'm an introvert or an extrovert (or exactly in the middle?) and I don't know how to find out.


One way you could attempt to find out is to take an online myers briggs test. Yes, the MBTI is somewhat disputed, but from what I've seen the introversion/extroversion is one of the most straightforward and repeatable parts of the test. Just remember, someone can be shy and be an extrovert.

Also, think about how you feel at a party. Do you feel energized afterward? Do you feel like if you see another person you just might collapse? Do you need your 'me time'? Do you feel stifled if you haven't been around people all day?

I'm a pretty extreme introvert. I think that may be partially why I tend not to care so much about other people. Caring is really tiring.

Conversing with people for more than a few minutes makes me seriously exhausted except for a select few (those six people I mentioned earlier). Having relationships for me is very tiring. When I first started dating my boyfriend, I needed at least 9 hours of sleep a night because I was so exhausted. Now I'm back to my normal 7-8 hours a night.

I think if you add my extreme introversion to the fact I was cripplingly shy when younger and often had pretty bad social experiences when younger (Other 2nd graders thought I was trying to prove to them I was smart by using 'big words'. Really, I was just using words I heard around the house. My parents have and use a typical college level vocab - nothing extreme, just things like introspection, ambiguity, counterintuitive - and my siblings are considerably older than me) and I think it mixes well to make a person who is not so thrilled about the majority of the population if interacting with them personally.

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Postby Kewangji » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:33 pm UTC

KestrelLowing wrote:Also, think about how you feel at a party. Do you feel energized afterward? Do you feel like if you see another person you just might collapse? Do you need your 'me time'? Do you feel stifled if you haven't been around people all day?
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Kewangji wrote:I have no idea whether I'm an introvert or an extrovert (or exactly in the middle?) and I don't know how to find out.

The classic question is "what do you do to recharge?" If it's something you need to do by yourself, you're likely an introvert. If it's something you do that's social, you're likely an extrovert.

You don't really have to be all or nothing, though. I'm almost on the line, but slightly more on the introverted side. Seriously, though, parties require me to have a craptonne of "deal with it" stocked up before I head over, particularly if they have a fair number of people I don't already know.

I don't know what I do to recharge. I was at a party where I knew about half of the people who were there (something like 12-15 people) and I got scared and had to be alone, but then the next day I was somewhere else with about 12 people, 1 out of whom I knew, and that wasn't terrifying in any way.

Really don't know how to define recharging… is it sleeping? I sleep alone, though I can't imagine I would feel the need to sleep alone if I shared a bed with someone (though I've never done that for a long period). I guess I do feel the need to go out and meet people, but… it doesn't feel like enough to label me extrovert since practically everybody needs human interaction, don't they?

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KestrelLowing wrote:
One way you could attempt to find out is to take an online myers briggs test. Yes, the MBTI is somewhat disputed, but from what I've seen the introversion/extroversion is one of the most straightforward and repeatable parts of the test. Just remember, someone can be shy and be an extrovert.
I guess I could try again. I don't know which parts are the E/I parts though, and a lot of the time when I try to take the test I get frustrated because I either can't say the answer or I don't know the answer. "I'm often the first one to pick up the phone in the house" for example. How would I know? I don't know.

KestrelLowing wrote:I'm a pretty extreme introvert. I think that may be partially why I tend not to care so much about other people. Caring is really tiring.

Conversing with people for more than a few minutes makes me seriously exhausted except for a select few (those six people I mentioned earlier). Having relationships for me is very tiring. When I first started dating my boyfriend, I needed at least 9 hours of sleep a night because I was so exhausted. Now I'm back to my normal 7-8 hours a night.

I think if you add my extreme introversion to the fact I was cripplingly shy when younger and often had pretty bad social experiences when younger (Other 2nd graders thought I was trying to prove to them I was smart by using 'big words'. Really, I was just using words I heard around the house. My parents have and use a typical college level vocab - nothing extreme, just things like introspection, ambiguity, counterintuitive - and my siblings are considerably older than me) and I think it mixes well to make a person who is not so thrilled about the majority of the population if interacting with them personally.
Hmm. I usually have to suppress hatred for new people when I talk to them IRL, to be able to talk to them. And I can have hours-long pretty much non-stop conversations with people I'm already friends with, already care about.

I don't think caring takes energy for me.
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Postby Goldstein » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:54 pm UTC

KestrelLowing wrote:I'm a pretty extreme introvert. I think that may be partially why I tend not to care so much about other people. Caring is really tiring.

Do you think you find it tiring because you feel as though it's something that's demanded of you? Does appearing to care mean going out of one's way, if there's nothing you can really do differently? What should that even look like, and what do you notice in other people that you find so tiring to do yourself?

I only ask because I completely agree with what you've said, but I think it's worth questioning. You probably don't have to do anything tiring.
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Kewangji wrote:I don't know what I do to recharge. I was at a party where I knew about half of the people who were there (something like 12-15 people) and I got scared and had to be alone, but then the next day I was somewhere else with about 12 people, 1 out of whom I knew, and that wasn't terrifying in any way.

Really don't know how to define recharging… is it sleeping? I sleep alone, though I can't imagine I would feel the need to sleep alone if I shared a bed with someone (though I've never done that for a long period). I guess I do feel the need to go out and meet people, but… it doesn't feel like enough to label me extrovert since practically everybody needs human interaction, don't they?

Its not necessarily that you need to be alone. It could be as simple as you have more fun with a smaller, intimate group of friends. You'll see questions on surveys that ask if you prefer large parties vs a handful of close friends. That sort of thing.

Sometimes I find myself drained after parties or being around large groups for a long time. I don't have to be alone, and I'm never alone anymore since I live with people, but its nice to have some "me time". This is what causes me to know I've got introvert tendencies, but I am pretty social too. Luckily its not a binary sort of thing :D

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KestrelLowing wrote:I'm a pretty extreme introvert. I think that may be partially why I tend not to care so much about other people. Caring is really tiring.

Do you think you find it tiring because you feel as though it's something that's demanded of you? Does appearing to care mean going out of one's way, if there's nothing you can really do differently? What should that even look like, and what do you notice in other people that you find so tiring to do yourself?

I only ask because I completely agree with what you've said, but I think it's worth questioning. You probably don't have to do anything tiring.


I think it's more that I always have to be thinking, mainly because social interaction just doesn't come to me as naturally as to others. I may be hypersensitive about it. You know those people that just walk into rooms and suddenly are everyone's friend? Yeah, that's absolute magic to me. I'm kind of insecure, so I'm wondering what people are thinking of me and what signals I'm sending. That is definitely tiring (although I've been working on not being quite so self conscious).

Specifically, caring about other peoples problems is very tiring because I don't typically have the expected response. In order to be socially accepted, you have to "oh, that's horrible" when someone tells you about a horrible thing that happened (and I'm talking about actually horrible things like things getting stolen, or pets dying, not those Oh me yarm, my hair looks horrible!). I'd like to care and empathize with them, but I really have to try for that to happen (that involves a lot of visualizing on my part.

Also, honestly just being around a lot of people is tiring. I can just be sitting in the corner at a party, not interacting, and I can be absolutely exhausted in an hour.

In this case, typically tiring means: I'd really like to rest some/ I'm not feeling so well (usually headache type of thing)/ I'd like to get out of this place so I can think/ I really want to go to bed/ I'm kind of overwhelmed.

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Postby Viae » Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:05 pm UTC

I don't think you have to be one or the other, personally. There are times when I feel like one is more what I need to be doing, times when the other is more important. Labelling yourself totally one or the other (I reckon) means that you end up either giving yourself an excuse to run away from social situations or an excuse to be unable to amuse yourself whenever you're on your own. It's a spectrum.
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Postby Kewangji » Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:13 pm UTC

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Kewangji wrote:I don't know what I do to recharge. I was at a party where I knew about half of the people who were there (something like 12-15 people) and I got scared and had to be alone, but then the next day I was somewhere else with about 12 people, 1 out of whom I knew, and that wasn't terrifying in any way.

Really don't know how to define recharging… is it sleeping? I sleep alone, though I can't imagine I would feel the need to sleep alone if I shared a bed with someone (though I've never done that for a long period). I guess I do feel the need to go out and meet people, but… it doesn't feel like enough to label me extrovert since practically everybody needs human interaction, don't they?

Its not necessarily that you need to be alone. It could be as simple as you have more fun with a smaller, intimate group of friends. You'll see questions on surveys that ask if you prefer large parties vs a handful of close friends. That sort of thing.

Sometimes I find myself drained after parties or being around large groups for a long time. I don't have to be alone, and I'm never alone anymore since I live with people, but its nice to have some "me time". This is what causes me to know I've got introvert tendencies, but I am pretty social too. Luckily its not a binary sort of thing :D

Yeah; I got to question 20 before quitting this time. I can't give a YES/NO answer to those questions. I don't know if I prefer larger parties versus handfuls of close friends, I can work well in large parties and close friends are always nice because they wouldn't be close otherwise.

And no, of course it's not a binary thing. But I have no idea where on the scale I am. I don't know how recharging works.
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Postby Viae » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:11 am UTC

Seems to me you're smack in the middle, or so close that it doesn't matter. Or it's a flawed system.
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Postby e^iπ+1=0 » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:29 am UTC

The results from the thread seem to suggest that xkcd attracts people with similar personalities (or whatever the hell the test is meant to measure). INT* (asterisks represent wildcards) are the top two options, with 59%. Similarly, IN** has the top four options, for 72%. And while I*** doesn't quite have the top eight spots, it does take over 82%. So xkcd people are largely introverted, intuitive, and thinking. Sounds about right to me.
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Postby suffer-cait » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:55 am UTC

yeah i looked up that thread due to this convo, i'm an INTJ, and damn are we common around these parts.
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suffer-cait wrote:yeah i looked up that thread due to this convo, i'm an INTJ, and damn are we common around these parts.


At first that surprised me as well, as INTJ is supposed to be one of the rarest MBTI test. (Another INTJ - and female! Yes, they exist) But then I realized that often a large part of the description is that INTJs tend to not be the best with social issues. A forum is a way we can talk and have interesting conversations without having to worry about those troublesome small talk issues.

Also, INTJs tend to lean towards more academic pursuits, like math and science, which is this comic's base.

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Postby Zarq » Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:13 pm UTC

Fess: just discovered (due to some files on my old MegaUpload account) that as recent as this summer I was a gigantic super-jerk. That's not even a year ago. What the fuck was wrong with me?
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Postby podbaydoor » Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:24 pm UTC

It happens to all of us. I still cringe at things I wrote last year. I'll probably cringe over this next year. The important thing is that you grew.
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Postby slaxor » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:10 am UTC

Zarq wrote:Fess: just discovered (due to some files on my old MegaUpload account) that as recent as this summer I was a gigantic super-jerk. That's not even a year ago. What the fuck was wrong with me?


Well, hopefully you'll feel different about yourself looking back a few months from now. If not, you've got a problem. or maybe you're just too hard on yourself.

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Re: Confessional Shed - I'll keep a look-out

Postby emceng » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:16 pm UTC

Stuff like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha makes me disdainful of Christians and Christianity. They believe what one group of ancient desert dwellers wrote, but believing this other group - that's just crazy!
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Re: Confessional Shed - I'll keep a look-out

Postby Viae » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:34 pm UTC

Any Christian who took the bible literally as the word of God would say that God guided the Council of Nicaea to pick the "true" brooks. The field of biblical scholarship has been studied for over a thousand years, the chance that no-one noticed the way the bible originated is low.
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Postby existential_elevator » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:42 pm UTC

See, I find stuff like that the most interesting part of any religion, but especially Christianity. Often, going back and looking at the texts that got cut out is really quite exciting. At the end of the day, the Bible is just a big collection of essays - it makes complete sense that there would be preferred edits of it depending on various factors.

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Re: Confessional Shed - I'll keep a look-out

Postby bigglesworth » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:45 pm UTC

emceng wrote:They believe what one group of ancient desert dwellers wrote, but believing this other group - that's just crazy!
Much of the apocrypha is not considered 'not to be believed' in mainstream Christianity.
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Re: Confessional Shed - I'll keep a look-out

Postby garren101 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:11 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:
emceng wrote:They believe what one group of ancient desert dwellers wrote, but believing this other group - that's just crazy!
Much of the apocrypha is not considered 'not to be believed' in mainstream Christianity.

And actually different denominations do include different sections of the apocrypha within their Bible, it just depends on which denomination.
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Postby NecklaceOfShadow » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:13 pm UTC

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Postby Midnight » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:27 pm UTC

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Postby Chuff » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:48 am UTC

I haven't cried in over a year. I didn't cry when my grandfather died. I really, really want to cry right now, but I can't, and I don't know why, and my reason for wanting to cry is stupid, but I still feel like crying could only make it better. But I don't know.
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Re: Confessional Shed - I'll keep a look-out

Postby Goldstein » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:57 am UTC

It may be because you are a stuffed teddy rabbit. Hope you feel better soon, rabbit.
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Re: Confessional Shed - I'll keep a look-out

Postby Chuff » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:00 am UTC

I'm not a stuffed teddy rabbit, I just play one on TV. :P
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Re: Confessional Shed - I'll keep a look-out

Postby Felstaff » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:17 am UTC

Congenital lacrimal duct obstruction.
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Re: Confessional Shed - I'll keep a look-out

Postby slaxor » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:53 am UTC

umm... Maybe try onions?


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