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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby roband » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:00 pm UTC

So in fact, you DON'T want them to DON'T STOP... BELIEEE-VIN'

or in fact, HOLD ON TO THAT FEEEEEELIN'

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Carlington » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:06 pm UTC

Spoiler:
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby roband » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:14 pm UTC

Ok, well hey maybe this will help - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cxaoB40468

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Carlington » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:23 pm UTC

Luckily, I hover and check links before I click them.
I can't even be mad at you, you're too funny.

OH JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THEY STARTED SINGING NICKI MINAJ AT THE EXACT MOMENT I STARTED TYPING THIS POST.

I think it's worth noting that all of this singing is being done by a 30-odd year old male. Glee covers being done in out-of-tune baritone over a home-karaoke speaker from downstairs for the past hour and a half I just can't.

Edit to add that he's now singing badly along to the Glee cover of "We Are the Champions".

No, mate, you're not. I'm sorry, you're just not the champions. I really hope, at this point, that you're taking the piss out of Glee by singing along really poorly otherwise I just feel a bit sorry for you. Mostly angry, but just a little bit sorry for you.

I need a fucking coffee.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby roband » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:26 pm UTC

Did you copy and paste the youtube link too? Haha.

Sorry I can't help more.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby freezeblade » Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:32 pm UTC

Carlington wrote:I need a fucking coffee.


I instantly read this as "I need a fucking pint."
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby SlyReaper » Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:51 pm UTC

I need 10 motherfucking pints.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby phlip » Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:41 am UTC

I need a pint of fucking.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby poxic » Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:43 am UTC

That sounds like a very small amount of fucking.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby The Scyphozoa » Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:46 am UTC

It's a measure of the results of fucking. So, a pint is quite a lot, actually.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby raike » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:16 am UTC

Why are filenames case-insensitive on windows?! Gah!

Seeing as I'm not a fan of beer, I'll have to settle for wishing it wasn't too late for a good cup pint of tea.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Dthen » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:26 am UTC

I need a pint of sleep. It is 03.23 & I cannot sleep.
I think falling asleep now, or three hours ago, is a reasonable request to make of my body. It disagrees.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Menacing Spike » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:39 am UTC

raike wrote:Why are filenames case-insensitive on windows?! Gah!


Backwards compatibility I assume?

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby yurell » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:43 am UTC

I don't mind case-insensitive names.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby bluebambue » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:55 am UTC

I prefer it.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:59 am UTC

Yeah, I'm...wondering what the advantage of case sensitive filenames is.

I completely understand why mixing the two is a headache, though.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby raike » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:47 am UTC

It's an irritation when handling files that have names like DAP1.dat, ..., DAP20.dat, dap1.dat, ..., dap20.dat (the idiot that thought it would be a good idea to differentiate things by case is another rant-worthy post, really) that are all in the same folder that I grabbed off a 'nix server. Otherwise, I don't really care either way.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby phlip » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:35 am UTC

The thing is... case insensitive filenames quickly lead down a slippery slope of pain... Take, for example, German, with its "ß" character. This represents an "ss", and the canonical capital form of this is just "SS"... there's no special capital form. So, for instance, a case-insensitive system is going to have to count "straße.txt" and "STRASSE.TXT" as being the same file name. But, of course, "strasse.txt" and "STRASSE.TXT" will have to be the same filename. So to be consistent, it's going to have to treat "straße.txt" and "strasse.txt" as the same, even through that's not a matter of case, as otherwise if you have two files called "straße.txt" and "strasse.txt" and you try to load "STRASSE.TXT", it's not going to know which one you mean. So now you have the system expanding ligatures, as well as being case-insensitive. Well, sure, I guess that's fine. Makes sense, for the same reason that case-insensitivity makes sense.

So for consistency, we'll have to expand other characters too... treat "über" and "ueber" as the same thing, after all, they mean the same. But only in German locales... in other locales, where "ü" is a "u" with a dieresis, instead of an umlaut, it will have to behave differently. And it will have to behave sanely if the system locale changes... say if you put a file on a flash drive from a German computer and then plug it into a Dutch computer, it still has to know that that "ü" is a u-umlaut, not a u-dieresis, and handle it appropriately, so the filename-locale would have to be stored at a file-system level, or maybe even a per-file level. OK, so we have some complications, but nothing we can't handle with enough i18n vigilance. Even if we don't do expansions like "ü", "ß" returns to bite us here, as in some locales it expands to "sz" instead of "ss". Also, I lied before, and there [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_ẞ]actually is a capital ß[/url] in certain conditions, but it's not common.

What about other symbols that all mean the same thing? Should "⒜" be the same thing as "(a)"? Or "ⓐ"? Is "ℝ" the same thing as "R"? Is "fi" the same thing as "fi"? Is "The Godfather - Part 2.avi" the same as "The Godfather: Part 2.avi"? They mean the same thing. But you can't even have the second one as a filename under Windows, as it doesn't let you use colons in filenames. NTFS in general is fine with it, though. What if you leave the "The" off the start of the filename? It still means the same thing to me. The OS should know what I mean. What if Cheese comes along and makes some filenames with bidi override characters and has all the text reversed? Should it match something with the characters in the reverse order? What if I have a file called "airplane.txt" and another called "aeroplane.txt" and a third called "✈.txt"? Are they the same? Is "日本.mp3" the same as "にほん.ogg" the same as "nihon.aiff"? The same as "japan.flac"?

Where do you draw the line?

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby roband » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:58 am UTC

*blank stare*

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby boXd » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:42 am UTC

phlip wrote:Where do you draw the line?


I think it's safe to say that I draw the line at people using characters not in the non-extended ASCII table in their filenames.

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Postby phlip » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:01 pm UTC

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby emceng » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:53 pm UTC

My issue is naming with extensions. We have files that are named xxx.12 or whatever. That's what the software points to. Except windows 7 thinks they are text files, so they are actually "xxx.12.txt". Which breaks the software.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Yakk » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:52 pm UTC

Windows explorer default setting is "hide extensions for known file types". Are you sure the file isn't called xxx.12.txt and the UI doesn't just show xxx.12?
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby freezeblade » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:03 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:Windows explorer default setting is "hide extensions for known file types


This is a whole different rant topic. I hate that it does this as default. So much. Flames, sides of my face. Breathing, heaving breaths...
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby SlyReaper » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:18 pm UTC

It's also not immediately obvious how to unset that option. Since it only needs doing once per install, I keep forgetting how to do it.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby yurell » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:44 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:Windows explorer default setting is "hide extensions for known file types". Are you sure the file isn't called xxx.12.txt and the UI doesn't just show xxx.12?


I'm grateful for it. While I turn it off immediately, I know my grandparents, parents and brother could continuously screw up all their stuff by renaming the file extension away and not know what it was originally.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby SlyReaper » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:49 pm UTC

Maybe there should be a quiz at the start of every Windows installation. The question "do you know what a file extension is?" - if yes, then it shows file extensions by default, if no, then it hides them by default.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:53 pm UTC

No, because that's yet another bullshit hoop to jump thought.

They need a secret shortcut to press while windows is loading your profile for the first time that, if pressed, turns off bullshit setups (like the IE questionnaire) and enables viewing of hidden files and file extensions.

The "I'm a fucking admin let me break my shit" key combination.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby raike » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:55 pm UTC

I actually have file-extensions hidden on my machine, mostly because I've kept forgetting to change the setting (for the past 3 or so years now, actually...).

SlyReaper wrote:Maybe there should be a quiz at the start of every Windows installation. The question "do you know what a file extension is?" - if yes, then it shows file extensions by default, if no, then it hides them by default.


They should put in a computer literacy quiz in the installer, and from there gauge what the person knows and enable/disable things from there. It'd totally be worth the extra ten minutes or so it'd take.
Or, the "Let me break shit" option sounds good too...
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby SlyReaper » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:00 pm UTC

> shibboleet

Edit: actually, Windows 7 does have a godmode feature. Create a folder and rename it to "GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}".
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby raike » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:10 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:> shibboleet

Edit: actually, Windows 7 does have a godmode feature. Create a folder and rename it to "GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}".


The control panel?
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby phlip » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:53 am UTC

It's basically just the control panel, but without nesting... just every single page of control panel all listed in once place. The real name of the screen is "All Tasks", not "God Mode"... the latter name is just something made up by someone who discovered it and released the info into the wild. IIRC it was originally intended to be an actual feature of the Control Panel, but they removed it for being too confusing to use... the screen still exists, but it's not linked to from anywhere (unless you go to it directly, via that GUID trick). Note that certain forms of the GUID trick will crash your OS, on 64-bit windows, though I can't remember off the top of my head which ones.

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Postby Xeio » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:43 am UTC

SecondTalon wrote:No, because that's yet another bullshit hoop to jump thought.

They need a secret shortcut to press while windows is loading your profile for the first time that, if pressed, turns off bullshit setups (like the IE questionnaire) and enables viewing of hidden files and file extensions.

The "I'm a fucking admin let me break my shit" key combination.

In the plus side to Windows 8, it seems at least a few of these settings just sync now. I think at least the explorer ones do (like show extensions). So you'll only have to do it once per Microsoft account now and it will be the same after future reinstalls.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby boXd » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:52 pm UTC

My body decided to wake up three hours later without making me feel more rested today. Stupid surgery.

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Postby jawdisorder » Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:07 am UTC

The weight of the snow tipped over a tree in my front yard. Said tree also ripped the cable line from my house. All internet must now be done through a phone.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby maninblack » Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:25 am UTC

jawdisorder wrote:The weight of the snow tipped over a tree in my front yard. Said tree also ripped the cable line from my house. All internet must now be done through a phone.

Internet through a phone is Standard Operating Procedure at my house. I can't get internets wired to my house (period). FoxFI FTW.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Menacing Spike » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:48 pm UTC

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Okay so should I prepare "god hate fags" signs for when I'm older?

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby RollingHead » Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:43 pm UTC

Yesterday someone did something to me which really upset me, I informed them angrily that they'd crossed a line, today they pretend that nothing happened. Does this happen often to other people or am I just constantly dealing with a huge jackass?

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Kithplana » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:22 pm UTC

RollingHead wrote:Yesterday someone did something to me which really upset me, I informed them angrily that they'd crossed a line, today they pretend that nothing happened. Does this happen often to other people or am I just constantly dealing with a huge jackass?

Sounds like straight-up jerk to me, especially if you bring it up and they try to brush it aside.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby boXd » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:45 pm UTC

Kithplana wrote:
RollingHead wrote:Yesterday someone did something to me which really upset me, I informed them angrily that they'd crossed a line, today they pretend that nothing happened. Does this happen often to other people or am I just constantly dealing with a huge jackass?

Sounds like straight-up jerk to me, especially if you bring it up and they try to brush it aside.

I don't know. Do they pretend nothing happened in the sense that they are just being an arse, or do they just try very hard not to bring it up? If it's the second: I do that too. Not because I try to be a jerk, but because it feels awkward and I'm never quite sure how to deal with it (so it's easier to pretend nothing happened).


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