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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Eternal Density » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:22 pm UTC

It's the genetically modified grapevines you really have to watch out for.
[Edit] I almost edited in a decree, then I remembered where I was. Modifying strips to be about grapevines woukd still be appreciated.
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We make "Cat Proximity" slightly Furrier.

Postby mrob27 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:04 pm UTC

I took interest in this discussion recently, because of what I can learn about the general principle of "kicking down" vs. "kicking up" in this excellent summary by @SecondTalon, and the referenced article by Patton Oswalt. (For example, the final frame of xkcd 397 "Unscientific" would be kicking down the string theorists, if string theorists were an oppressed group). From my perspective, "kicking down" is a broader principle that applies not just to humour in poor taste, but to statements of opinion that are part of the problem, e.g. reinforcing (rather than fighting) sexism.

In the interest of having a stake in this discussion and not just being a critic, I'll call attention to a comic I did that includes Furries as a topic. Here is an xkcdsw I made for the Time thread back in 2013 November, but with the OTTer jargon changed to normal words:

SQUIRREL
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She's actually more of a "squirrel-Furry" than a true squirrel,
but I stopped debating that point when I saw
how nimbly she leaps from one tree to another.


My analysis is in this spoiler, but first, decide for yourself if my comic is in poor taste ("kicking down" Furries, "kicking up", neither?)
Spoiler:
There is surreality in that the guy is dating "a squirrel" who he "lost in the trees", implying that he was actually dating an actual squirrel. The controversy is in the title-text. The guy and his girlfriend have been debating the nature of her self-identity, with one of them taking the position that she is a squirrel Furry (i.e. human) and the other taking the position that she is a true squirrel (Sciuridae). The guy eventually conceded the point when presented with evidence (which further reinforces the surreal element that he was actually dating a squirrel), so we see that the guy was originally, and remains, of the opinion that she is a Furry. Perhaps he is hallucinating, or is a self-deluded zoophiliac schizophrenic. The guy has less of a grip on reality and doubts his dating choice; whereas his squirrel girlfriend is very clear who she is, and is happy, well-adjusted, and fully self-expressed. She is a squirrel who likes to date humans.
  Alternatively, she might actually be a human, i.e. a squirrel Furry but who actually can physically climb trees and leap like squirrels do. By calling herself a squirrel and sticking to that assertion, she could just be acting the part, as one does in the performace artform called "cosplay" which overlaps Furry culture. Again, the mistake is all in the guy's perception.


Now on to my response. Back on page 189 was an xkcdsw based on xkcd 231 (Cat Proximity a.k.a. the "You're a kitty!" strip) but with Furries as the subject (see xkcd 471 "Aversion Fads").
  The comic drew a varied reaction, (which to me felt largely unfavourable because of how I perceive conflict). The creator, @azule, explained it thus:
The joke is based on the reality that someone dressed up as a cat isn't a cat, and that someone that can't tell the difference probably needs a checkup. My first choice was going to be "needs glasses" but I didn't think that even the worst vision would cause that confusion.

I had to change the comic quite a bit to be able to elicit this interpretation from myself when I review it objectively:
CAT(?) PROXIMITY
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... and you are a pretty! Hi, furry pretty kitty!

In order to clearly link the pronoun "you" to the generic everyperson illustrated as "Cueball", I included "you" in the label of the horizontal axis, which parallels Cueball's horizontal movement towards the Furry. The second curve must also be labeled you in order to make it clear who might need a "mental checkup"; but that term is not a good idea to use because of the ongoing stigma of mental-heath care and the associated euphemism treadmills, so I used "cognitive evaluation" (which is probably nonsense, or will be politically incorrect at some point in the future). The eyeglasses idea actually makes it better by adding a bit of surrealism, so I put that idea back in. The top curve cannot be labeled at all because there is nothing I can think of (either "straight" or funny) that would be diminishing as Cueball approaches the Furry.
  In the alt-text, "You're a real jerk." never made any sense to me, and I don't get the Pinnochio reference in @azule's commentary. I preserved the notion that the alt-text continues the conversation in the picture. In my version, Cueball has misinterpreted the Furry's corrective statement, thinking that they are using "Furry" as an adjective and that the article "a" is superfluous. Thus, Cueball replies by imitating this grammar and saying "You're a pretty", i.e. telling the Furry that they are pretty. Then in case the reader doesn't get the adjective thing, I have Cueball put the adjectives together in a combination that makes it clear Cueball thinks furry is an adjective: Hi, furry pretty kitty!

When evaulating if I am "kicking down" I need to assume the worst, like for example evaluating the comic's influence on that portion of its audience who is going to do the most damage. Regarding furries specifically, there is ignorance of the broadness of Furry culture, with many thinking it's mainly an adult, sexual-fetish-related thing. If my comic were reinforcing the Furrydom-as-sexual-fetish-culture stereotype, then it would be kicking down.
  This stereotype perception in reflected by the woman (holding the kite string)'s words in panel 5 and in the final panel of Munroe's #471, e.g. when she asks for "a comparison less likely to turn you on". This implied reinforcement of the sterotype seems like a kickdown to me, but in her (and Munroe's) defence, she's the only one in the strip who is showing any bit of friendliness or kindness to the Furry.

Comments and opinions welcome.

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(Edit: I forgot the second interpretation of my squirrel strip)
(Edit2: Rephrase two absolute statements into opinions)

REDUNDANT:
Spoiler:
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my Furry-related xkcdsw of #71 "In the Trees"

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My alteration of azule's xkcdsw of xkcd 231 "Cat Proximity", also referencing Furries
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby mathmannix » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:10 pm UTC

Eternal Density wrote:Modifying strips to be about grapevines woukd still be appreciated.

I started to work on a Know Your Vines which would just be about identifying plants (without the bondage joke, so SW), including additionally (3) Boston Ivy (in the same genus as Virginia Creeper, but looks more like a grapevine; they are in the grape family) and (4) an actual grapevine. Boston Ivy looks a lot like a grapevine by leaves, and has somewhat similar-looking - but POISONOUS! - fruit. (Apparently, Boston Ivy is one of the most common sources of accidental poisonings.)

However, I didn't do this for this reason: when I googled for images, I couldn't actually tell apart the Boston Ivy from the wild grapes 100% of the time - some of the pictures of the leaves or the fruit look the same. Similar enough, at least, that I didn't think I could draw them to look distinct in the right way. And I really didn't want to make an identification chart, even for this thread, that had bad information!

Here are some pictures I found:
Spoiler:
This is Boston Ivy:
Image (source)
So is this:
Image (source)

These are pictures of wild grapes:
California Wild Grape:
Image (source)
Riverbank Grape:
Image (source)

Now try to tell me that they always look different. (Maybe in leaf color, but I'm not sure that's consistent either, and anyway that wouldn't be evident in a sketch.)

tl;dr - don't eat wild grapes.
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby pkcommando » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:57 pm UTC

Eternal Density wrote:It's the genetically modified grapevines you really have to watch out for.
[Edit] I almost edited in a decree, then I remembered where I was. Modifying strips to be about grapevines woukd still be appreciated.

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443 & 1190:
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby freezeblade » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:13 pm UTC

IMHO: The boston ivy leaves are clearly 3-lobed ending in a point, where the wild grape and other grape are genearlly heart-shaped, with implied 3-points, the gap not cutting in on itself.

the fruit do look similar, but only really when the grapes would be far too immature to eat anyway.
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Inglonias » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:59 pm UTC

I made this thing.

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Sources: #1513 and #499

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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby oxoiron » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:51 pm UTC

That was excellent!
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Whizbang » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:23 pm UTC

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Spoiler:
That's no moon, that's a tennis ball!.png
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby mathmannix » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:49 pm UTC

(about 24 feet.)

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Why is there an extra moon in the last panel?
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Whizbang » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:52 pm UTC

That's no moon, that's a... Well, ok, it's a moon copy-paste, but it is supposed to be the Earth, just smaller due to distance.

Also, see the image filename.


[Edit]
There. Edited the original to make the not-moon appear more Earth-like. Or, less moon-like anyhow.
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby mrob27 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:45 pm UTC

Whizbang wrote:(image) That's no moon, that's a tennis ball!

So cool. We actually did that ("we" meaning me and roommates at the time). Two of the others had one of those large (50-cm or so) floor-standing Earth globes in the living room, and I got a little moon globe at the science museum gift shop which just happened to be to the right scale, and hung it in a corner of the room behind the kitchen. There was no line-of-sight but it was at the "proper" scale distance.
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Coyne » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:19 am UTC

1515

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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby bachaddict » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:27 am UTC

Inglonias wrote:I made this thing.

http://i.imgur.com/a2bJV5S.png

Sources: #1513 and #499

:lol: perfect juxtaposition!
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby mrob27 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:50 pm UTC

Coyne wrote:1515 (image)

That made me think of 889...

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Coyne's 1515, Turtled
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby pkcommando » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:36 pm UTC

Going for the lazy/obvious one -
1516 & 178:
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Coyne » Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:16 am UTC

mrob27 wrote:
Coyne wrote:1515 (image)

That made me think of 889...

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Spoiler:
1515 0889 turtle-earth.png


Love it.
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Coyne » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:22 am UTC

Remix, 608 plus 292.

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Administrative raptor punishment.

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Administrative raptor punishment
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Coyne » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:40 am UTC

1517

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Dorothy, on Exoplanet Oz Spectroscopy

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Exoplanet Oz Spectroscopy
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby bachaddict » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:01 am UTC

Haha, what's the other spike this time?
slinches wrote:Also, the OTC isn't a disease. In fact, it's the cure. As we all know, Time heals all wounds.

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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Coyne » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:04 pm UTC

bachaddict wrote:Haha, what's the other spike this time?

Don't know. It wasn't identified in the original either.

Basically the idea behind this version is the cartoonist (me) mis-read 02 as OZ.
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby pkcommando » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:14 pm UTC

1518 & 1393:
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Who » Mon May 04, 2015 6:10 pm UTC

I was going to alter the latest one to give physics a chance to respond by talking about all the nice technology physics has enabled us to create, but then bio would have responded with the whole saving people's lives thing, and then there would have had to be a whole philosophical argument, so instead I give you:
1520:
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Hold on a sec, yeah I'm sure this stamp collecting thing you're talking about is important to you, but I'm about to finish this level.

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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby pkcommando » Thu May 07, 2015 5:55 pm UTC

1521 & 385:
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Whizbang » Thu May 07, 2015 7:34 pm UTC

214 & 1521

More like wikitimesuck.png


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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Deva » Thu May 07, 2015 8:22 pm UTC

xkcd SW 1521.png

Alternate Text: Lost interest in Game of Thrones after that.
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby bachaddict » Fri May 08, 2015 4:35 am UTC

Awesome alt text, pkcommando!
Nice work, Whizbang and Deva.
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Postby Monika » Sun May 10, 2015 5:55 pm UTC

These sword-in-stone ones are all very neat indeed!
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Burkitt » Sun May 10, 2015 6:32 pm UTC

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SNP wins 56 seats - okay, where's the stone with the sword for the throne of Scotland?

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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Who » Mon May 11, 2015 1:35 am UTC

This has probably been done before given how obvious it is, but, 367:
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Recreational dystopias are permitted, so long as they remain within visual line of sight at all times and keep at least five miles from airports.

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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby dzamie » Tue May 12, 2015 10:39 pm UTC

Figured I'd update 367 to be more recent.
And by "more recent" I mean I got fed up with reddit.
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby Burkitt » Thu May 21, 2015 1:41 pm UTC

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Or is it a little bit of column a, a little bit of everyone sitting down is a basketball player?

From xkcd 610.
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

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After drinking rice wine, we throw darts at a map and declare wherever they land to be historically part of China.

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Postby Monika » Fri May 22, 2015 1:16 pm UTC

Burkitt wrote:Image
Or is it a little bit of column a, a little bit of everyone sitting down is a basketball player?

From xkcd 610.

That's a good point.
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Postby Monika » Fri May 22, 2015 1:17 pm UTC

Eternal Density wrote:It's the genetically modified grapevines you really have to watch out for.
[Edit] I almost edited in a decree, then I remembered where I was. Modifying strips to be about grapevines woukd still be appreciated.

What is / why a decree? Where did you think you were?
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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby bachaddict » Sat May 23, 2015 4:34 am UTC

Monika wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:It's the genetically modified grapevines you really have to watch out for.
[Edit] I almost edited in a decree, then I remembered where I was. Modifying strips to be about grapevines woukd still be appreciated.

What is / why a decree? Where did you think you were?


You must not visit the Time thread much...

Spoiler:
Decrees are made at the top of every page. Following the decree for the rest of the page is encouraged, but not required.
slinches wrote:Also, the OTC isn't a disease. In fact, it's the cure. As we all know, Time heals all wounds.

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Re: ITT: We make xkcd slightly worse.

Postby mrob27 » Sun May 24, 2015 6:32 am UTC

bachaddict wrote:You must not visit the Time thread much…
Spoiler:
Decrees are made at the top of every page. Following the decree for the rest of the page is encouraged, but not required.

xey don't really have to visit the Time thread, there's the I-can't-believe-someone-actually-typed-this-all-in Pagepopes and Decrees page on the wiki (which I notice now is about 140 pages out of date :roll:)
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