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Re: Today I Learned

Postby jobriath » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:37 am UTC

Ptolom wrote:We say "shopping centre Father Christmas". It's not quite so punchy as mall Santa though.

Some of us say "the grotto", where Father Christmasses are understood to be found.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby SlyReaper » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:45 am UTC

Only the grotty ones.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby PM 2Ring » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:14 am UTC

SlyReaper wrote:Only the grotty ones.


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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Daimon » Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:08 pm UTC

Someone, of the opposite gender, told me that they wanted a kid. After a few minutes of confusion, I learned it was a baby goat.

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Postby PhoenixEnigma » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:48 am UTC

TIL: There are three things Pelican Cases does not guarantee their products against: Shark bites, bear attacks, and children under the age of 5.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby thorgold » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:53 am UTC

TIL: I'm a National Merit Scholarship semifinalist! :D
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Adacore » Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:07 am UTC

thorgold wrote:TIL: I'm a National Merit Scholarship semifinalist! :D

Nice! :D

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby thorgold » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:14 am UTC

Adacore wrote:
thorgold wrote:TIL: I'm a National Merit Scholarship semifinalist! :D

Nice! :D

Thanks. Though pretty much the only barrier between semifinalist and finalist is YET MORE PAPERWORK. Combined with Service Academy and ROTC paperwork, I'm rapidly losing control of the situation in my file cabinet.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Vieto » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:31 am UTC

thorgold wrote:
Adacore wrote:
thorgold wrote:TIL: I'm a National Merit Scholarship semifinalist! :D

Nice! :D

Thanks. Though pretty much the only barrier between semifinalist and finalist is YET MORE PAPERWORK. Combined with Service Academy and ROTC paperwork, I'm rapidly losing control of the situation in my file cabinet.

Keep at it! Buy a second filing cabinet if you have to!

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Postby firechicago » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:09 am UTC

thorgold wrote:Thanks. Though pretty much the only barrier between semifinalist and finalist is YET MORE PAPERWORK. Combined with Service Academy and ROTC paperwork, I'm rapidly losing control of the situation in my file cabinet.

When I was up for a national merit scholarship my dad told me to look at it this way: Sure, compared to the cost of a full college education, the amount may be piddling, but if you figure out how long it will take you to complete the application, and then calculate an hourly wage, it's the best paid job you will have for quite a long time, if ever.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Ephemeron » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:35 am UTC

Dire wolves are real. Should I feel dumb for not knowing that?

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby PatrickRsGhost » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:25 pm UTC

TIL: That sauce that some fast-food restaurants put on hamburgers? The sauce that looks like ketchup (red sauce to you Brits), but seems to have a more reddish-orange hue? You've probably known it's ketchup and mustard mixed together, since that's what most people put on their burgers. It has a third ingredient: PICKLE JUICE! I was at a Jack's (hamburger restaurant based out of Alabama, with a handful of locations in Georgia) ordering a double cheeseburger today, and asked for no mayonnaise, since they're notorious for doing that. I was informed they don't put mayo on the double cheeseburgers; just the Big Jack burgers. The associate asked if I wanted ketchup and mustard only instead of their sauce. I asked what was in the sauce. She said it had ketchup, mustard, and pickle juice. I told her give me that, and onion.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby roband » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:33 pm UTC

Today You Also Learned, us Brits know what ketchup is ;) haha

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Postby oxoiron » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:24 pm UTC

roband wrote:Today You Also Learned, us Brits know what ketchup is ;) haha
TIL that not all Brits use proper English.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby jasonmarz » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:52 pm UTC

Today I learned there are so many people who don't care their co-workers.

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Postby SecondTalon » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:02 pm UTC

Much like family, you probably didn't choose to be around them and are merely forced into their company due to circumstance.
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Postby Giant Speck » Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:47 pm UTC

My printer, which I've had for over two and a half years, has templates for printing notebook paper, graph paper, staff paper, and checklist paper.
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Kithplana » Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:43 am UTC

TIL 11x17 paper != 17x11 paper. The direction of the grain is usually the last measurement given.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby farnsworth » Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:33 am UTC

Kithplana wrote:TIL 11x17 paper != 17x11 paper. The direction of the grain is usually the last measurement given.

TIL paper has grain. I just thought it was randomly-aligned.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Dr. Diaphanous » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:56 pm UTC

PatrickRsGhost wrote:The sauce that looks like ketchup (red sauce to you Brits)


TIL that I don't know the word "ketchup" and instead use "red sauce".

(I have never heard of red sauce, in any context.)
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Kewangji » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:16 pm UTC

Dr. Diaphanous wrote:
PatrickRsGhost wrote:The sauce that looks like ketchup (red sauce to you Brits)


TIL that I don't know the word "ketchup" and instead use "red sauce".

(I have never heard of red sauce, in any context.)

TIL:

In the 1690s the Chinese mixed a concoction of pickled fish and spices and called it (in the Amoy dialect) kôe-chiap or kê-chiap (鮭汁, Mandarin guī zhī) meaning the brine of pickled fish (鮭, carp; 汁, juice) or shellfish.

By the early 18th century, the table sauce had made it to the Malay states (present day Malaysia and Singapore), where it was discovered by British explorers, and by 1740, it had become a British staple. The Malay word for the sauce was kĕchap. That word evolved into the English word "ketchup".
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby thorgold » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:40 am UTC

TIL About random number generators throughout the information age, from the tick-from-startup seed RNGs of gaming consoles to the IBM charlie foxtrot to the RNGs that use cosmic background radiation to ensure randomness.

Also, from a philosophical standpoint, there's a debate whether there's a difference between "random" and "unpredictably chaotic." Is there randomness in our universe, or would it be possible to predict everything given enough information (and processing power for a simulator?).
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby Djehutynakht » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:30 am UTC

Today I learned that my teacher is a French Knight, and uses her knightly ribbon to get into places whenever she visits France.

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Postby Kewangji » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:03 pm UTC

thorgold wrote:TIL About random number generators throughout the information age, from the tick-from-startup seed RNGs of gaming consoles to the IBM charlie foxtrot to the RNGs that use cosmic background radiation to ensure randomness.

Also, from a philosophical standpoint, there's a debate whether there's a difference between "random" and "unpredictably chaotic." Is there randomness in our universe, or would it be possible to predict everything given enough information (and processing power for a simulator?).
Given that you can't know the speed of something if you know where it is… I'd say it is impossible.
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Postby Noc » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:37 pm UTC

Kewangji wrote:
thorgold wrote:TIL About random number generators throughout the information age, from the tick-from-startup seed RNGs of gaming consoles to the IBM charlie foxtrot to the RNGs that use cosmic background radiation to ensure randomness.

Also, from a philosophical standpoint, there's a debate whether there's a difference between "random" and "unpredictably chaotic." Is there randomness in our universe, or would it be possible to predict everything given enough information (and processing power for a simulator?).
Given that you can't know the speed of something if you know where it is… I'd say it is impossible.

I'd assume that would fall under the category of "having enough information;" as I understand it, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is mostly related to the logistical difficulties involved in measuring things by bouncing other things of similar size off of them. While we're talking logistics, we'd also need a computer with universe-sized storage capacity, which would need to be universe-sized itself. (Processing power itself less necessary, provided you aren't in any hurry to get the results. )
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Re: Today I Learned

Postby rath358 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:45 pm UTC

Apparently,
(-1/2)! = sqrt(pi)
I... what?

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Postby emceng » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:53 pm UTC

rath358 wrote:Apparently,
(-1/2)! = sqrt(pi)
I... what?


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Postby The Scyphozoa » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:54 pm UTC

Noc wrote:
Kewangji wrote:
thorgold wrote:TIL About random number generators throughout the information age, from the tick-from-startup seed RNGs of gaming consoles to the IBM charlie foxtrot to the RNGs that use cosmic background radiation to ensure randomness.

Also, from a philosophical standpoint, there's a debate whether there's a difference between "random" and "unpredictably chaotic." Is there randomness in our universe, or would it be possible to predict everything given enough information (and processing power for a simulator?).
Given that you can't know the speed of something if you know where it is… I'd say it is impossible.

I'd assume that would fall under the category of "having enough information;" as I understand it, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is mostly related to the logistical difficulties involved in measuring things by bouncing other things of similar size off of them. While we're talking logistics, we'd also need a computer with universe-sized storage capacity, which would need to be universe-sized itself. (Processing power itself less necessary, provided you aren't in any hurry to get the results. )

I think what this means is: theoretically, we could predict everything given enough information, but also theoretically, we can never have enough information.
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Postby Moose Anus » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:44 pm UTC

Noc wrote:we'd also need a computer with universe-sized storage capacity, which would need to be universe-sized itself. (Processing power itself less necessary, provided you aren't in any hurry to get the results. )
We use compression to store stuff as smaller than the actual thing. Mostly this uses tables of repeated patterns, of which I'm sure we could find many of in the universe. However, if the medium for storing information is sufficiently larger than the information even after compression, then the physical storage size would be larger than the universe.


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Postby yurell » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:53 pm UTC

The Scyphozoa wrote:I think what this means is: theoretically, we could predict everything given enough information, but also theoretically, we can never have enough information.


I was under the impression that it's a lot more fundamental than that; basically, such information does not exist. A particle physically doesn't have well defined position and momentum, and it's not some hidden variable a la EPR, which is shown pretty effectively with Bell's theorem.
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Postby doogly » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:14 am UTC

yurell wrote:
The Scyphozoa wrote:I think what this means is: theoretically, we could predict everything given enough information, but also theoretically, we can never have enough information.


I was under the impression that it's a lot more fundamental than that; basically, such information does not exist. A particle physically doesn't have well defined position and momentum, and it's not some hidden variable a la EPR, which is shown pretty effectively with Bell's theorem.

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Postby PM 2Ring » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:08 am UTC

Noc wrote:[...] as I understand it, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is mostly related to the logistical difficulties involved in measuring things by bouncing other things of similar size off of them.


Not really; that's a fairly common misconception - which Heisenberg himself was guilty of promoting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle wrote:Mathematically, the uncertainty relation between position and momentum arises because the expressions of the wavefunction in the two corresponding bases are Fourier transforms of one another (i.e., position and momentum are conjugate variables).

A similar tradeoff between the variances of Fourier conjugates arises wherever Fourier analysis is needed, for example in sound waves. A pure tone is a sharp spike at a single frequency. Its Fourier transform gives the shape of the sound wave in the time domain, which is a completely delocalized sine wave. In quantum mechanics, the two key points are that the position of the particle takes the form of a matter wave, and momentum is its Fourier conjugate, assured by the de Broglie relation p=\hbar k, where k is the wavenumber.


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rath358 wrote:Apparently,
(-1/2)! = sqrt(pi)
I... what?


Well, the factorial function is only defined on positive integers, so your consternation is understandable. However, the gamma function is defined over the complex numbers (except for the non-positive integers), and Gamma(n) = (n-1)!, for n a positive integer, so we can use the gamma function to extend and interpolate the factorial function, if we so desire.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby rath358 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:18 am UTC

Yeah, the gamma function thingy.
I am still somewhat confused by the whole thing. Probably similar to the standard reaction to e^(i*pi) thing...

(edit: translation: I will re-read your post when I am not about to fall asleep)

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby PM 2Ring » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:34 am UTC

Maybe it'd be helpful to think about a simpler example, rath358.

We can define the triangular numbers as the successive sums of the non-negative integers:
T(0)=0, T(1)=1, T(2)=3, T(3)=6, T(4)=10, T(5)=15, etc. So T(n+1) = T(n) + n+1
However, we can also generate those numbers using T(n) = n(n+1)/2, and that formula gives us a way to assign a value of T(n) for any n. Eg, T(1/2) = 3/8.

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Postby emceng » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:40 pm UTC

rath358 wrote:Yeah, the gamma function thingy.
I am still somewhat confused by the whole thing. Probably similar to the standard reaction to e^(i*pi) thing...

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Postby You, sir, name? » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:12 pm UTC

TIL there's a twitter account that identifies and retweets instances of people tweeting pictures of their debit cards.

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Re: Today I Learned

Postby yurell » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:31 am UTC

Today I learnt the difference between digitigrade, plantigrade and unguligrade. This fascination with biology is leading me down a dark and terrible road ...
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Postby Ptolom » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:40 pm UTC

yurell wrote:Today I learnt the difference between digitigrade, plantigrade and unguligrade. This fascination with biology is leading me down a dark and terrible road ...

Something to do with toes?

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Postby PatrickRsGhost » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:50 pm UTC

Today my mom, biological dad, and I learned that while helping him to apply for social security (we just moved him up to Georgia from Florida last night), he had supposedly received two checks back in September and October 2011, which he claimed he never received, because he had just been admitted to the nursing home at the time, and they (the nursing home) claimed were never received. Turned out the checks were still mailed to his old address, which was a boarding house he stayed in, and they had apparently been cashed. SSA (Social Security Administration) has opened up an investigation, and I believe my mom will be as well. If it is what we suspect, someone's going to become a member of Club Fed.
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