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Postby Hawknc » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:22 pm UTC

Chaaarrliiieeee...

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The procedure to have it removed is not -too- painful. It does cost OVER NINE THOUSAND dollars though.

It also doesn't seem to have an effect.

Are you sure they didn't just get you drunk, steal your kidneys, and leave your empty wallet in the cavity?


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Postby tryptanymph » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:03 pm UTC

Hawknc wrote:Chaaarrliiieeee...

Oh god I'm sorry

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Re: Turns out Evolution Is A Racist Concept...

Postby thedufer » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:12 pm UTC

Lord Aurora wrote:As much as this is blatant propaganda, there's a flip side to the coin---people who accept EVOLUTION blindly as proven fact without looking at the evidence. It's true that there are gaps in the evidence for evolution. And a lot of people (on the interblag and otherwise) blindly shoot down creationists by saying "Oh me yarm UR SO DUM U BELEEV IN GOD LOLOLOL" and think they're taking the "intellectual high ground" just because they're in what they perceive to be the "right camp," and when someone else calmly explains to them that evolution is a theory (which, in fact, it is---most scientists accept this) they'll do everything to resist accepting that.

There are morons on either side.


So is gravity. And general relativity. If you're going to explain that evolution is theory, you must also get across the correct definition of theory. After learning that gravity is a theory under our definition of theory, those people will usually stop resisting the idea that evolution is a theory too.

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Re: Turns out Evolution Is A Racist Concept...

Postby william » Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:03 am UTC

seladore wrote:
Second Talon wrote:What you said isn't invalidated or necessarily wrong, but the way you said it links the idea of Atheism and Evolution while eliminating the other options (namely Religious and Understanding and acceptance of evolution as a sound scientific theory)

Alternately, it sounds as though you're saying it's impossible to be religious and understand evolution, which is barmy nonsense. You're also calling evolution a belief system... which is also barmy nonsense, in the general sense..


True, and true. Sorry, I wrote without fully thinking.

Too much time reading creationist literature perhaps: they sat up a neat little dichotomy with SECULAR ATHEIST EVOLUTIONISTS on one side, and RATIONAL THINKING CREATIONISTS on the other, and it's easy to slip into this mindset when discussing the issue.

For the record, I know that
1) Atheists don't all believe evolution is a valid theory
2) Theists don't all reject evolution.

That is all.

Now think about how much of this could be avoided if we didn't let the evolution deniers frame the debate.

Also: from now on, call them evolution deniers.
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Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:07 am UTC

Hawknc wrote:Chaaarrliiieeee...


We're on a bridge, Charlie!

Actually, I'm convinced that the only proper way to do that joke in a forum is where there's an active member named Charlie. Then, when Charlie's asleep, someone makes a thread called "Charlie!"

The thread has about eight or nine posts, all of which are "Charlie!"

When Charlie finally wakes up, and checks the board, he'll likely respond something to the effect of "What?"

Which, of course, leads to the inevitable punchline...

"We're on a web-forum, Charlie!"


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Postby TizzyFoe » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:38 pm UTC

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TizzyFoe wrote:I may have a skewed perception because i used to be a young-earth creationist not so long ago. I have since come to my senses, and done basically a 180 in my religious view.
If i may ask, how did you come to change your mind?


I was Lutheran. Lutherans believe in salvation by Faith alone (meaning you just have to believe in jesus, good works aren't necessarily. But it follows that if you believe in jesus you will naturally want to follow his teachings/laws). But the bible defines faith as being "sure of what you hope for, and certain of what you do not see" (quote is from memory). I don't think its possible to be 100% sure about anything, so being 100% sure about something as complicated as Christianity is definitely impossible. It took me a long time to accept this because i was afraid that if i didn't lie to myself and say i had 100% faith i would go to hell. What finally got me over my fear was saying if i admitted that there was some probability that Christianity was false (realistically i couldn't even say that it was trivially small) but still went to church and followed the bible when, then when i died i'd at least have a pretty good argument (common god, i may have not be sure but you didnt give me enough evidence, and i was sure enough to obey you)

Once i admitted that there was a chance Christianity was false it allowed me to be more open minded about the actually probability that it was false and over the course of a month or two i became more and more convinced that Christianity was probably not true (for reason i'm sure everyone has heard or thought of themselves at some point).

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TizzyFoe wrote:But evolution as Gods way of creating life definitely conflicts with the old testament.

That depends on your definition of create. By creating physical laws, you could say that you've indirectly created everything that arises from them.

It's interesting that the creation sequence described in the bible roughly matches with evolution, but I'd guess it was mostly derived from the food chain. People need animals, animals need plants, plants need sun etc. So for everything to be able to survive the creation order had to be the reverse of this.


the old testimate says that the earth was made in 7 days. These are Moses's words and the mean either sun up to sun down, or 24 hours, not millions of year. I agree a loose interpretation of makes more sense then a strict one, but if someone believes in a strict interpretation, they can't believe in evolution. They can believe in the scenario i suggested.
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Postby Naurgul » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:04 pm UTC

TizzyFoe wrote:
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TizzyFoe wrote:I may have a skewed perception because i used to be a young-earth creationist not so long ago. I have since come to my senses, and done basically a 180 in my religious view.
If i may ask, how did you come to change your mind?


I was Lutheran. Lutherans believe in salvation by Faith alone (meaning you just have to believe in jesus, good works aren't necessarily. But it follows that if you believe in jesus you will naturally want to follow his teachings/laws). But the bible defines faith as being "sure of what you hope for, and certain of what you do not see" (quote is from memory). I don't think its possible to be 100% sure about anything, so being 100% sure about something as complicated as Christianity is definitely impossible. It took me a long time to accept this because i was afraid that if i didn't lie to myself and say i had 100% faith i would go to hell. What finally got me over my fear was saying if i admitted that there was some probability that Christianity was false (realistically i couldn't even say that it was trivially small) but still went to church and followed the bible when, then when i died i'd at least have a pretty good argument (common god, i may have not be sure but you didnt give me enough evidence, and i was sure enough to obey you)

Once i admitted that there was a chance Christianity was false it allowed me to be more open minded about the actually probability that it was false and over the course of a month or two i became more and more convinced that Christianity was probably not true (for reason i'm sure everyone has heard or thought of themselves at some point).



Thanks for sharing. People going through changes always make interesting stories. :)
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Re: Turns out Evolution Is A Racist Concept...

Postby Jadestone » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:10 pm UTC

This reminds me of a handout we got in Slobal History last year from our long-term sub... lemme go get it, I put it with my biology stuff upstairs on the shelf in the blue journal with the 'evidence for evolution' handouts...

Damn, it's longer than I remembered, and in smaller font. Not typing this up.

Basically, it goes on about how Darwin is the "father of racism," that he "provided racism with a scientific mask," and insinuates that Darwin essentially preached that some races of human were more evolved than others (but provides no quotes or text to support this). Then, it proceeds to compare Darwinists to the Nazi party and explains that "Hitler was a firm believer and preacher of evolution" (hello Mr. Godwin). Then it goes on about how "this biological view that forms the basis of the Nazi's race is undiluted Darwinism." For many paragraphs.

Now, I don't know for sure, but in any of Darwin's books did he say that some races of humans were better than others, or that it was right? From what I read of The Origin of Species (did not finish, had to return it to the library before leaving for vacation for 2 weeks last year), he didn't seem to be.

Unfortunately no one in this first period class wanted to discuss the handout, so I'm kind of getting it out now where maybe people will.
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Re: Turns out Evolution Is A Racist Concept...

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:15 pm UTC

There's Wikipedia, with sources and such.

Short answer - Darwin is as responsible for the Nazi Party's Beliefs as Henry Ford is for Drunk Driving.
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Postby william » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:07 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:There's Wikipedia, with sources and such.

Short answer - Darwin is as responsible for the Nazi Party's Beliefs as Henry Ford is for Drunk Driving.

Incidentially, Henry Ford was a Nazi.
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Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:12 pm UTC

...which is why I picked him, to be a quiet "ha ha" to those who got it. But you pointed it out and ruined the damn joke.

Thanks.
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Postby Yakk » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:25 pm UTC

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Postby Indon » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:58 pm UTC

Religious tracts have a decades-old tradition of being blatantly stupid. Case in point, anything Jack Chick has done.

Jack Saladin wrote:Do they not teach biology in America or something? I don't understand how so many people can be so utterly ignorant of what the theory of evolution is.


Well, no, not really. Many places (where creationists have some political pull) have hopelessly backwards science programs for primary education.

SecondTalon wrote:Isn't that quote from the 1750s?


And it is true everywhere but America (and to a limited degree, Australia and the UK).

Young Earth Creationism is more or less a joke, and we're the ones getting laughed at.

Lord Aurora wrote:As much as this is blatant propaganda, there's a flip side to the coin---people who accept EVOLUTION blindly as proven fact without looking at the evidence.

It's really not quite the same.

There are people who are specialists who know all the evidence and make informed judgements about the issue. They're called biologists. While one biologist isn't necessarily trustworthy, their collective research form a kind of 'consensus' which generally tells us about things.

There is no equivalent function in organized religion to the consensus. Organized religions do not seek to reconcile disparate views (and have no method to do it if they tried), but instead can only schism further with each successive disagreement.

That said, I agree with the essence of your post, that stupidity is largely independent of opinion.
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Postby Insignificant Deifaction » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:47 am UTC

Unless I'm sorely mistaken, "Social Darwinism", as they call it, which would go on to be a big thing with the Nazis, came largely from Mister Lamarck.
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Re: Turns out Evolution Is A Racist Concept...

Postby phlip » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:03 am UTC

I rather like the way around this that was taken in one of the Science of Discworld books (the second one, I think)... following every mention of "humans' chimp-like ancestor" with "(and chimps' human-like ancestor)".

You can't say that either is "more evolved" than the other... indeed, the suggestion doesn't even make sense.

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Jack Saladin wrote:I can't help but literally LOL every time I read "more evolved". Seriously.

Do they not teach biology in America or something? I don't understand how so many people can be so utterly ignorant of what the theory of evolution is.

I didn't learn evolution properly until a botany class in bible college. Basically we had options for science, and I chose Chem, AP Chem, and Physics. Freshman year was some random survey class that did not go into much detail. So yeah, I missed learning about evolution in high school.

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Postby ian » Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:34 am UTC

'more evolved' != objectivley better

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*takes out calm-down hammer and repeatedly whacks self in face*

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Postby Yakk » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:25 pm UTC

ndansmith wrote:
Jack Saladin wrote:I can't help but literally LOL every time I read "more evolved". Seriously.

Do they not teach biology in America or something? I don't understand how so many people can be so utterly ignorant of what the theory of evolution is.

I didn't learn evolution properly until a botany class in bible college. Basically we had options for science, and I chose Chem, AP Chem, and Physics. Freshman year was some random survey class that did not go into much detail. So yeah, I missed learning about evolution in high school.

And they don't cover it in, say, a basic science class? /puzzle
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Postby seladore » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:38 pm UTC

Jadestone wrote:This reminds me of a handout we got in Slobal History last year from our long-term sub... lemme go get it, I put it with my biology stuff upstairs on the shelf in the blue journal with the 'evidence for evolution' handouts...

Damn, it's longer than I remembered, and in smaller font. Not typing this up.

Basically, it goes on about how Darwin is the "father of racism," that he "provided racism with a scientific mask," and insinuates that Darwin essentially preached that some races of human were more evolved than others (but provides no quotes or text to support this). Then, it proceeds to compare Darwinists to the Nazi party and explains that "Hitler was a firm believer and preacher of evolution" (hello Mr. Godwin). Then it goes on about how "this biological view that forms the basis of the Nazi's race is undiluted Darwinism." For many paragraphs.

Now, I don't know for sure, but in any of Darwin's books did he say that some races of humans were better than others, or that it was right? From what I read of The Origin of Species (did not finish, had to return it to the library before leaving for vacation for 2 weeks last year), he didn't seem to be.


There is a highly doctored Darwin quote flying about, where he is portrayed as saying that some races are inferior, and it is silly to breed from poor stock in animal husbandry, so it is silly to allow inferior races to continue to muddy up the gene pool.

The parts the creationists tend to remove go on to say that it is the best part of our nature that causes us to help our fellow man, regardless to biological fitness.

The passage does feel a bit racist to read but hey, It was published in 1856. Very few people of that time, even liberal intellectuals, didn't feel that some races were innately inferior.

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Postby KevorkianKat » Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:31 pm UTC

Creationism/ID doesn't classify as a scientific theory. In fact, it doesn't even pass muster for scientific topic. When your explanation relies upon the supernatural for any causation, you epic fail.

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Postby Robin S » Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:43 pm UTC

Intelligent Design claims not to rely on the supernatural, but merely to provide scientific evidence of an intelligent designer.

It fails, but not for the reason you gave.
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Robin S wrote:Intelligent Design claims not to rely on the supernatural, but merely to provide scientific evidence of an intelligent designer.

It fails, but not for the reason you gave.


That would be correct in the definition of natural design as a scientist would construct it, however every interviewed person promoting the use of ID as a teaching method clearly claims or demonstrates that the designer would be a diety or describe the entity in proportions as to make it supernatural and not simply extraterrestrial or beyond our current understanding. Their basis holds firm that this entity is completely and forever unknowable. This is one of the reasons ID fails in court, because when you define your creator as someone who is a god, you also allow, by their own definition, the opposite side of other fields of science such as card reading, astrology, alchemy (in the medieval sense) and other hoodoo-jubu in the name of presenting both sides of the coin.

These are the exact reasons the court ruled in favor of science in Ohio and Alabama, and hopefully soon Louisiana as well. If I were making up an alternate to science, I certainly would phrase MY ID claims on an alien being from the planet Sexybuttsforalltheladies but ID proponents have, specifically in recorded court cases, chosen not to (seriously, where is my Sexybuttsforalltheladies planet and all it's sexy womenz?).

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Postby Belial » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:01 pm UTC

ian wrote:'more evolved' != objectivley better


Well, no. But not for the reason you think. "More evolved" doesn't mean "objectively better" because "More evolved" doesn't mean *anything*, at least as long as we're talking about this planet.

Everything on earth has been evolving for the same amount of time, as far as we know. You, me, and the nearest garden slug or slime mold have all spent 4 billion years evolving to fit our niche. We are all equally evolved. The phrase is nonsensical.
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Postby bigglesworth » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:05 pm UTC

Although some species have gone through more generations and mutations than others...
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Postby Macbi » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:15 pm UTC

Belial wrote:
ian wrote:'more evolved' != objectivley better


Well, no. But not for the reason you think. "More evolved" doesn't mean "objectively better" because "More evolved" doesn't mean *anything*, at least as long as we're talking about this planet.

Everything on earth has been evolving for the same amount of time, as far as we know. You, me, and the nearest garden slug or slime mold have all spent 4 billion years evolving to fit our niche. We are all equally evolved. The phrase is nonsensical.

You could make it make more sense as "A is more evolved than B if A is less similar to A and B's common ancestor". With some complicated "similar" function.
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Postby Gunfingers » Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:24 pm UTC

There are some species out there that have been more or less genetically static for millions of years. I'm pretty sure alligators are an example. One could argue that this make them less evolved. Of course a more intelligent person would argue that just means they evolved as much as they needed to millions of years ago and still have no need for improvement.

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Postby Macbi » Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:40 pm UTC

Gunfingers wrote:Of course a more intelligent person would argue that just means they evolved as much as they needed to millions of years ago and still have no need for improvement.


Yes, but they're still "less evolved": They've changed less due to evolution. This of course doesn't mean that they're worse, and I never meant to say said that it did.
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Postby troyp » Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:16 pm UTC

The reason "more evolved" is not a useful phrase is not because it's meaningless, but because it's vague, ie. it has more than one sensible interpretation.
It could mean "has been evolving longer", in which case, as Belial pointed out, all species on Earth are equally evolved (since there is only a single geneology).
It could mean "has been evolving for more generations".
It could mean "has experienced more (selected-for) mutations".
It could mean "has changed more from ancestor x (perhaps earliest cellular ancestor)"
It could mean "has experienced the most selection pressure over the most generations"
There are probably other sensible interpretations as well. It's best not to use it.
Of course, none of these remotely resemble the 'naive' idea of "more evolved" one often encounters, which is based on the teleological idea of evolution making organisms objectively better, rather than just better adapted to successfully reproduce in their present environment. This use of the term is probably the best reason for it to be avoided.

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Postby phlip » Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:35 pm UTC

Indeed, the common use of "more evolved" stems from the same misunderstanding as that "if humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?" quip. The idea that the creatures we evolved from still exist today, unchanged... so since we evolved from them, we are "more evolved" than they are. And since evolution is a process for making things better, that makes is objectively better than monkeys.

This is, of course, completely false.

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Postby Lumpy » Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:44 am UTC

I think that Jack Chic died, so the brain slug making him write those tracts had to slither out of his ear and infect a younger host.

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Postby ndansmith » Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:05 am UTC

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Jack Saladin wrote:I can't help but literally LOL every time I read "more evolved". Seriously.

Do they not teach biology in America or something? I don't understand how so many people can be so utterly ignorant of what the theory of evolution is.

I didn't learn evolution properly until a botany class in bible college. Basically we had options for science, and I chose Chem, AP Chem, and Physics. Freshman year was some random survey class that did not go into much detail. So yeah, I missed learning about evolution in high school.

And they don't cover it in, say, a basic science class? /puzzle

Well, it was a whirlwind tour of general science, and we were freshmen in high school. So it was probably decided that there was not enough time to treat the subject properly, especially given our young and soft minds.

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Re: Turns out Evolution Is A Racist Concept...

Postby Belial » Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:28 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:Although some species have gone through more generations and mutations than others...


By that definition, actually, humans are pretty hideously unevolved compared to, like, rats, or mayflies.

Or anything other than sharks, elephants, and tortoises, really.
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Re: Turns out Evolution Is A Racist Concept...

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:35 pm UTC

And bacteria and other single cell organisms are insanely evolved, relative to humans.

Why don't bacteria have rocketships to fly from one location to another, huh? Why haven't they perfected link-up technology to form MegaBactium, a creature that's a foot tall and capable of devouring cows in mere seconds, replicating new MegaBactium to overrun the planet's surface and overthrow the multicellular creatures that attempt to lord over them with their antibiotics and such, huh? Bacteria are stupid.
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Re: Turns out Evolution Is A Racist Concept...

Postby Gunfingers » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:37 pm UTC

Dick Solomon, the High Commander wrote:I will not be defeated by a single celled organism. They are stealthy, but stupid.

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Postby Kizyr » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:50 pm UTC

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I knew something was familiar about the art style.

...After visiting the Answers in Genesis children's section, I can now say that it is the most sickening place on the internet. Yes, that includes 4chan.

I would wager that Jack Chick's old site (if it's still maintained--don't really want to find out) would rank above "Answers in Genesis". Then again, I'm not really sure if I want to venture out to find what really is the most sickening place on the internet. KF
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Re: Turns out Evolution Is A Racist Concept...

Postby ZLVT » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:51 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:
Hawknc wrote:Chaaarrliiieeee...


We're on a bridge, Charlie!

Actually, I'm convinced that the only proper way to do that joke in a forum is where there's an active member named Charlie. Then, when Charlie's asleep, someone makes a thread called "Charlie!"

The thread has about eight or nine posts, all of which are "Charlie!"

When Charlie finally wakes up, and checks the board, he'll likely respond something to the effect of "What?"

Which, of course, leads to the inevitable punchline...

"We're on a web-forum, Charlie!"


....


Oh, gods, I'm so alone.


... so you like wanna grab a coffee?

back on point...was that comic serious? Like, I thought it as just a sarcastic joke, but everyone on here seems to take it seriously. This scares me. also, I checked the genesis verses.
Gen 1:27

"So God created man
in his own image,
in the image of God
he created him;
male and female
he created them."(NIV)*

Is it just me or does this dance between illogical and slightly tautological or even contradictory?

*turns out the holy scriptures are copyrighted, 1973, 1978, 1984.
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Re: Turns out Evolution Is A Racist Concept...

Postby bridge » Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:11 pm UTC

little birdie wrote:This comic makes my brain hurt, especially the usage of the Bible as a reliable source. And the countless fallacies. Argh. :(


If that comic makes your brain hurt, stay away from evolution explained by a creationist
Your brain may just explode.

I always had a doubt regarding creation, maybe someone heard some argument from creationist?
Years, days, hours, minutes are just 'conventions', a standardized way to measure time as a fraction of the period of the earth around the sun.
God created the universe in 7 days, does that mean he was using this time convention before?

I should have asked that to my religion teacher...
Here 'religion' is taught from elementary to high schools, from what i remember it is 1 hour per week,
it is optional and mostly talks about world religions and cultures.
Teachers are christian priests or nouns or just ordinary people.

ndansmith wrote: So yeah, I missed learning about evolution in high school.

I can't believe in a country like the US you can get out of school without ever studying evolution
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