[SAFESPACE] POLL: Are you religious?

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Are you religious?

I believe in god and practice most/all things required by my religion.
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I believe in god but don't practice my religion so much or at all.
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12%
I don't believe in god.
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62%
Otter/duck.
60
13%
 
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[SAFESPACE] POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Zohar » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:10 am UTC

For a forum about a comic that's in no way centered about religion, is heavily related to science and cynicism, there are a lot of religious people around. I suppose the only thing it proves is that I had a lot of misconceptions about religious people. I'm wondering, though, how many here are actually religious or not. I don't want to make the poll too specific but if anyone wants to explain themselves further, feel free to reply. I don't want this to be a Serious Business thread, just trying to get some sort of head count.

I'm adding an otter option because every poll needs one but I hope most people will be able to place themselves in one of the three categories.

Disclaimer: I have a lot of respect for everyone, including religious people. I have a lot of respect for religious people that have to live with the difficulties of the world and reconcile them with the supposed goodness inherent in god. I don't mean to offend anyone and I can assure you that if I do, it's mostly because of lack of knowledge about the sensibilities of others rather than actually being against you or your opinions.

EDIT REGARDING POLL OPTIONS: Maybe I should have thought of this before but assume the second option also refers to people who have an unorthodox belief in god that doesn't fall into any specific category ("I believe in the existence of god but I'm not Christian/Jewish/etc.").
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby sje46 » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:14 am UTC

Not all religions are theistic.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby |Erasmus| » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:14 am UTC

I do not believe in God.

I respect anyone (and their beliefs) where possible, but not if they try to force their own beliefs onto others. This includes trying to convert people to atheism. Bad idea, folks.

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Hyphe » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:20 am UTC

sje46 wrote:Not all religions are theistic.

And there are plenty of ways to believe in god that have nothing to do with any religion - the cultural teachings of various people through the ages don't have a monopoly on faith. As it is there's no choice in the poll for me, any chance of adding one?

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Zohar » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:22 am UTC

sje46 wrote:Not all religions are theistic.

I suppose that's true, but the vast majority of people who are religious here would be Christians of some sort of another, I suppose, the rest Jewish, an even smaller minority would be Islamic or Buddhist etc. Again, I'm just interested in seeing a general trend. Adding five more options to the poll would make it too specialized.

Also, I just realized it would probably be skewed in favor of the atheists until at least the afternoon, since a lot of people are at church now.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby '; DROP DATABASE;-- » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:23 am UTC

I believe the universe is just a little too darned orderly to be one big accident, and there is substantial evidence that it was designed by something fairly intelligent. That is where my beliefs end. I don't believe there's a guy with a big white beard in the clouds who is watching and judging everything at once. I feel that God most likely is not a conscious entity, but rather energy; the force that makes the difference between a living thing and a pile of meat and bones; perhaps even electricity and/or heat.

I have many theories, however my strongest belief is that humans can never meet the creator of the universe. They most likely are not inside it themselves. Our entire existence may even just be the state of something else in theirs, just as Super Mario's entire existence is merely the state of a couple million electric switches in ours. That's not to say life is one giant computer program (though it may well be); it's just to compare.

I do acknowledge, even, that the universe could have come together by pure chance. An infinite amount of junk floating around in an infinite space will eventually combine - infinite times, in fact - to form any given thing, or group of things, even so complex as the entire known universe (which is basically just a massive group of microscopic things arranged in a certain way). However, this seems less likely to me.

In any case, no matter what you believe, it all boils down to the same questions. But where did that come from? What's outside that? No matter how deep you dig, eventually you come to a "that".
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Zohar » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:24 am UTC

Hyphe wrote:
sje46 wrote:Not all religions are theistic.

And there are plenty of ways to believe in god that have nothing to do with any religion - the cultural teachings of various people through the ages don't have a monopoly on faith. As it is there's no choice in the poll for me, any chance of adding one?

Well I meant that to fit in the second option, but I get that it's different. However, if I change the poll options now it will erase the votes already entered. I'll edit my OP to say that the second option also means that, OK?
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby sje46 » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:24 am UTC

I'm an atheist (well, level 6 on Dawkins scale. . I think. The second least religious one). I tend to say that I respect people despite their beliefs, but people seem to get pretty pissed when I say that. Why should I respect an abstract idea? Why should I respect the fact that they have an idea? I don't disrespect people who are Christian as a whole, but I tend to disrespect them more than I would if they had the same beliefs I have. I'm not going to go treat religious people much different than I treat anyone else.
I actually think you should redo this poll to reflect Dawkins scale. It's early enough so that not too much damage will be done. I'll try to find the scale.
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Also, I don't think it's really conversion that's a bad idea, but taking advantage of people. This includes stressful times in their lives or childhood. Also, it is quite rude to try to change a person's mind when they clearly don't want to hear it.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby GraphiteGirl » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:27 am UTC

I voted for the second option, and have had too many conversations about this to count.

I come from a Modern Orthodox Jewish background (that's a short summary for a looong family history, geneaology and set of religious practices, but given that the person who started the thread is named Zohar and is from Israel, I'll leave it there for now; if anyone has a question though, about what that means, go ahead.) I've had a great deal of in-depth religious education.

At the moment, I still believe in... well, something. Certain parts of the Torah bother me a great deal from an intellectual or moral perspective. Certain parts make a great deal of sense to me. I don't keep all the religious rules I started out with, and don't know how that might change in future. Then again, I'm young, and confused, and my opinions and beliefs are still evolving.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Hyphe » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:37 am UTC

Zohar wrote:Well I meant that to fit in the second option, but I get that it's different. However, if I change the poll options now it will erase the votes already entered. I'll edit my OP to say that the second option also means that, OK?

Ok, sure. It's the wording of 'my religion' that threw me. :)

Aside: I'd really, really like it if people could separate the ideas of faith, culture, and religion all out from each other. I have faith, secular culture, and I disagree with the idea of organised religion. There are many people who have culture and religion but no faith. Culture is quite happy existing without either of the other two (though, religion has been around for such a long time they're not always simple to untangle). If you disagree with the idea of faith (ie, believing in a big abstract entity such as god), that doesn't mean you have to disagree with the tenets of religion or culture, and vice versa.

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby eternal luna » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:39 am UTC

I'm an atheist. I started out as mildly religious (I don't know that children that young can really be considered to know what they're getting into, though), then became largely apathetic to the whole thing. I hesitated for a while on agnosticism, then became an argumentative atheist, and have now just settled with the label because I interpret the prefix "a" to mean without, rather than an opposing view, because I just can't muster any interest in this anymore. There isn't a space in my world that needs to be filled by a deity, so I just leave it at that.

When I'm manic, I do believe there is a spiritual energy flowing through the world, but I don't know under which label that comes under, nor whether that can really be considered my opinion.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Zohar » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:40 am UTC

I can certainly understand separating culture from religion and faith. But what do you mean by religion? I celebrate Passover, for example, but I consider that part of culture. Some people fast on Yom Kippur just because of tradition, not because of a belief it helps erase their past sins. Where does that fit? Can you give an example of religion without faith?
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby UnderRock » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:50 am UTC

I only follow some of my religious customs. I do believe God exists in some form (some type of higher being(s)), but not in the way my religion says--its dogma is what prevents me from following mine too closely. (Also I'm lazy.) Still, the idea that there is a higher power--in some form--comforts me.

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Dibley » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:58 am UTC

Zohar wrote:
sje46 wrote:Not all religions are theistic.

I suppose that's true, but the vast majority of people who are religious here would be Christians of some sort of another, I suppose, the rest Jewish, an even smaller minority would be Islamic or Buddhist etc. Again, I'm just interested in seeing a general trend. Adding five more options to the poll would make it too specialized.

Also, I just realized it would probably be skewed in favor of the atheists until at least the afternoon, since a lot of people are at church now.

I think you may be making too many assumptions about how many people follow Judaism, as well as time zones. It's two in the morning, here in California, not very many people are in church.

I'm atheist, but more tolerant of religious people than most atheists i know.

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Hyphe » Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:05 am UTC

Some people fast on Yom Kippur just because of tradition, not because of a belief it helps erase their past sins. Where does that fit? Can you give an example of religion without faith?

I've met plenty of people who will 'admit' to not really believing in god, but who still obey the rules and instructions of their religion, for whatever reason. My grandmother goes to church every sunday, is a devout catholic, but is quite happy to say that she doesn't believe in a God - maybe she's being hypocritical, but it's not my place to judge. There aren't many big religions that aren't based on faith, if any, but it is entirely possible on a personal level. There are certainly a number not based on theistic faith.

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby |Erasmus| » Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:13 am UTC

GraphiteGirl wrote:At the moment, I still believe in... well, something. Certain parts of the Torah bother me a great deal from an intellectual or moral perspective. Certain parts make a great deal of sense to me. I don't keep all the religious rules I started out with, and don't know how that might change in future. Then again, I'm young, and confused, and my opinions and beliefs are still evolving.

Just for what it's worth... there are a number of aspects of just about every religion that make a great deal of sense to me (morally, usually). I just find no inclination to express my belief in a deity, or to be seen to be expressing some kind of belief in a deity to make it obvious that I support those morals. (This is probably more directed at my dad than anyone here, who still wants to insist i go to church with him whenever possible, even though he doesn't believe in God, but wants to be seen to support it's morals/charity work).

EDIT: for clarity, Zohar, we should all just pretend the poll says "a god/gods" where it says good. This means it encompasses all religions that are theistic in any sense (i still think it's a little bit of a stretch to call non-theistic beliefs/lifestyle choices religion, but I don't want to argue with anyone who does. Call it whatever you like. :)).

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby casiguapa » Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:21 am UTC

I'm pretty Catholic, born, baptised, holy communion, confirmed etc. I was deeply religious till I was about 16, less so now, but I still identify with the religion enough to happily class myself as Roman Catholic. Of course, I don't agree with all our teachings but I agree with enough of them
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby netcrusher88 » Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:51 pm UTC

I believe there is a higher power, and I believe it has some sentience and a sense of humor. I do not believe it really cares about worship, obedience, believers, or especially money. But I don't really consider myself religious.

I believe, as they say, in a thing called love. Literally, Ancient Greek philia (and to a lesser extent the other types). In my worldview, "God is love" is backwards. Karma fits in there too, but it's just another facet.

Most people have some form of empathy, but more importantly that empathy leads them to make similar decisions - to give money to charity, to go on mission trips (for those religiously inclined) or relief efforts (for those not), to vote for what's best for everyone instead of what's best (in the short term) for them. Karma is implicit because what's best for everyone as a group will in general result to the net benefit of each individual, often enough that it's worth choosing.

My very own constructed spirituality (a religious equivalent of a conlang, if you will) probably looks half lifted from Harry Potter (I can't say it wasn't influenced there), but really I think it has more grounding in an Eastern religion I haven't found yet than anything else. It is also subject to change and evolve as time continues to crawl on (I started disillusioned with the Seventh-Day Adventist church and stripped what I had been taught down to it's most basic ideal - love), I believe it to be compatible with most if not all religions (to the extent that it works in favor of religions when they are working for the greater good), and I am not interested in convincing people of my views. I don't even claim my theory to be completely consistent, that's part of why it's in flux.

If you were to ask me to identify with an established religion, it would probably Unitarian Universalism, although I quite literally have no actual experience with it. I also identify closely with the fictional Foundationism created for Babylon 5, specifically the belief that all religions (or belief systems - specifically non-religious systems such as secular humanism are not excluded) share a common core, and at that core is truth.

tl;dr: I have found a system that works for me for now, and it is more or less pantheistic, but not exclusive.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:27 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:For a forum about a comic that's in no way centered about religion, is heavily related to science and cynicism, there are a lot of religious people around. I suppose the only thing it proves is that I had a lot of misconceptions about religious people. I'm wondering, though, how many here are actually religious or not. I don't want to make the poll too specific but if anyone wants to explain themselves further, feel free to reply. I don't want this to be a Serious Business thread, just trying to get some sort of head count.

Really, I always felt quite the opposite as to xkcd's demographics. In the US, at least, the irreligious are something like 5-10% of the population. Current poll puts xkcd at 68%. It's a highly nontypical population, although a beautifully tolerant one usually, unless you walk into the Science forum and try and spew off some young earth creationism or something. That probably won't fly, although I don't think I've ever really seen it.

Oh, by the way, I'm an atheist/humanist. ("Humanism" actually describes my beliefs/moral system, whereas "atheism" just tells you what I'm not. But most people don't know what "humanist" really means, so I end up telling people I'm an atheist a lot.) Have been for as long as I can remember, even if I didn't always know the words for what I said.

I've recently been thinking about the idea that, if I told you that there was an entity responsible for the entire universe, that it made everything happen and kept the cosmos in order, I could be talking about a god or I could be talking about the laws of physics/math/logic/reality, completely indistinguishably. Currently trying to sort out how you draw the line between a mechanistic god and a naturalistic universe. But really, I'm just trying to make myself Grand Pope of Science when I get around to founding a religion based on that idea. Don't tell anyone.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Sungura » Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:14 pm UTC

I am a Christian but I also think there is a lot of cookie cutter Christians out there (at least, the majority of people in the churches I have attended in my life seem to be) and I tend to think outside such little boxes. This often puts me at odds with the more "pious" of the Christians out there, especially with the types who are all "How dare you be a scientist?". (Of course, from a lot of scientists I get "How dare you have faith?" so I often feel very stuck in the center with no one around, it gets lonely.) Luckily the church I currently attend is awesome because the pastor actually holds PhD in science and has taught at universities (not little "Christian" colleges either, we're talking like U of M, Ohio State, etc). So yeah...he's cool. Also, neatest accent ever I could listen to him forever (Scottish/Irish cross and he grew up some in South Carolina and a few other southern states so it is super funny when he tries to do a Southern accent...on top of his natural (mostly) Scottish one!). Oh yeah. That was a ramble. Sorry. Basically, his voice isn't the annoying monotone or the fire and brimstone yelling type that seem a lot of pastors fall into one of either categories when people think of sitting through a sermon. Instead it's an interesting enjoyable tone and he has such awesome humor and I always crack up at least three times each Sunday haha. He is witty!

The other really cool thing is how he looks at things though, and I learn a lot from him. There are so many things in the Bible that are so miss-interpreted it seems and almost everything I totally agree with how he teaches things. He's one for going back to original language and text and historical data and such, so every sermon has so much background and it's really neat. Also, so many Christians like to ignore things and shove things under the rug and make stupid/illogical claims...and he's not one of those at all and is working hard to change such things. This I highly enjoy. I was raised in the church, I know the Bible stories. I've read it through myself multiple times. I don't need to hear the story of "Jonah and the whale" on felt boards now, I want to dig into issues. This is what he does, and it is why I really like this church.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Sandry » Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:39 pm UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:I've recently been thinking about the idea that, if I told you that there was an entity responsible for the entire universe, that it made everything happen and kept the cosmos in order, I could be talking about a god or I could be talking about the laws of physics/math/logic/reality, completely indistinguishably. Currently trying to sort out how you draw the line between a mechanistic god and a naturalistic universe. But really, I'm just trying to make myself Grand Pope of Science when I get around to founding a religion based on that idea. Don't tell anyone.

I've actually had semi-similar thoughts. I'm an atheist, really, but I do occasionally consider that it's fun to argue an existence of god based on a definition where "god" is actually the existence of order in the universe. ...Possibly this means I need to get out more.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby SecondTalon » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:33 pm UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:
Zohar wrote:For a forum about a comic that's in no way centered about religion, is heavily related to science and cynicism, there are a lot of religious people around.
Really, I always felt quite the opposite as to xkcd's demographics..
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Zohar » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:35 pm UTC

Oh, I don't mean there's a majority of Christians here. I was just a bit surprised there were any at all.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby clintonius » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:38 pm UTC

ST summed up my thoughts more succinctly than I could (which is funny, 'cause I believe I actually got started on the fora by arguing w/ religious people in SB. I've since gotten far less militant).
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby The Cat » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:41 pm UTC

EDIT REGARDING POLL OPTIONS: Maybe I should have thought of this before but assume the second option also refers to people who have an unorthodox belief in god that doesn't fall into any specific category ("I believe in the existence of god but I'm not Christian/Jewish/etc.").


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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby J the Ninja » Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:01 pm UTC

I do consider myself a Christian, but I hate telling this to people, as they automatically jump to the usual fundamentalist conclusions: "Oh, so you believe in young earth creationism?" "You're against gay marriage, right?" "You think everyone is going to hell but you, right?" etc, etc. No, I don't, to answer your questions. I don't really think the Bible is perfect. I think it could've been divinely inspired, but there is no way something gets handed down for millennia, mostly orally, and doesn't get messed up. Anybody who played "telephone" as a kid can realize this. And on top of that, it's been translated into other languages, and thus subjected to the bias of those translating it. I haven't been going to church for awhile, because I've had trouble finding one that isn't so obsessed with traditional cookie-cutter version of Christianity. They're trying to build a place of comfort and tradition people can go to every week, and while that is a nice thing to have, I don't think that is what church should be about. I want to go and learn something, not hear the same stories and again and again and listen to the same 5 christian-pop-rock songs for worship. It's silly. It's a song and dance, and an uninteresting on at that.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby natraj » Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:11 pm UTC

I was raised Roman Catholic. I still consider myself very much a Christian and go to church and try to live by my beliefs, although other Christians often tell me I'm a bad one, what with being all queer and leftist. I dunno where that puts me.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby apeman5291 » Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:19 pm UTC

Religious (christian) here.

I'm halfway between the first and second options, but I picked the first. I've been wondering about demographics here, too. Maybe it's just where I live, but I'm surprised at the number of atheists/agnostics here. It's almost like mini culture shock every time I look at a religious debate.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby The Cat » Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:41 pm UTC

I think that most religions teach good principals. I also think organized religion has been used as a tool to control the masses.

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Nomic » Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:16 pm UTC

I can't say for sure if God exists or not, but I'm inclined to believe he doesnt. Or if he does, he's a lot less an old guy with a beard and lot more like Yog-Sothot.
I try to be tolerant to everybody, but truth to be told, religion sometimes kinda taxes my tolerance. Sure, loads of perfectly nice people are religious to some degree, but for some reason everybody who's really super religious tends to come off as an idiot or an asshole. Like all those people who want to teach creationism in schools or who claim atheists hate God, family and apple pie. I know that it's just a tiny minority who are like that, but still, those people really unnerve me.
I think that once I'll become the Supreme Overlord of Earth I'll make religious extremism a punishable offence and the first person who suggest I should make creationism taught in schools gets a tungstein rod dropped on them from the orbit. In general, however, I think people have the right to believe whatever they want, as long as they don't use their belief as an excuse to hurt others or go around spreading clear falsehoods.

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby icenine » Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:53 pm UTC

Nomic wrote:I try to be tolerant to everybody, but truth to be told, religion sometimes kinda taxes my tolerance.

Right when religious people start getting people to sign up and be saved/ giving out leaflets and religious texts/ having visions and hopes of the entire school in prayer. (Actually happened.)

Other than that, I don't generally classify people as 'religious' or 'non-religious' (in my mind) unless in a religious debate or something. And those are really rare here ):

The Cat wrote:I think that most religions teach good principals. I also think organized religion has been used as a tool to control the masses.

Yeah, but the problem comes if you have a few recipes for extremists mixed in those principles. Or when those principles cannot be applied to modern society, but are still being followed anyway.

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby videogamesizzle » Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:58 pm UTC

i'm an atheist. 6 on the Dawkins scale, i guess. it's really that i just can't accept something like that based on an old book and some guy in a robe talking about an invisible man. plus, organized religion is really only used these days as a tool to control people. honestly, i would have no problem with religion if they kept it to themselves, left us to our lives, and didn't try to legislate based on it. stem cell research, abortion, and gay marriage are only really rejected based on religion and "moral standards" we're supposed to have.
i don't try to destroy religion on a daily basis, but i can't say i "respect" them fully. there's too many assholes who try to make everyone believe exactly what they do. you can say "oh, those are the fringe loonies," but those are the loud, dangerous ones.

i see God as something invented by early humans to explain what they couldn't. as we as a species grew up, we still filled God into whatever holes in scientific knowledge there were.
humans just want control in their life, and the idea of God gives them that feeling. instead of accepting all blame lies on people and our stupid mistakes, people trace it back to "original sin" and stuff.

so yeah.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby The Cat » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:04 pm UTC

Yeah, but the problem comes if you have a few recipes for extremists mixed in those principles. Or when those principles cannot be applied to modern society, but are still being followed anyway.


Agree

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Shivahn » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:24 pm UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:I've recently been thinking about the idea that, if I told you that there was an entity responsible for the entire universe, that it made everything happen and kept the cosmos in order, I could be talking about a god or I could be talking about the laws of physics/math/logic/reality, completely indistinguishably. Currently trying to sort out how you draw the line between a mechanistic god and a naturalistic universe. But really, I'm just trying to make myself Grand Pope of Science when I get around to founding a religion based on that idea. Don't tell anyone.


And this is why I put otter. "Do you believe in a god" is a weird question without defining "god". Usually I'd answer no, so I guess atheism would be a good descriptor, but I hesitate to use that mostly because it comes with a host of other assumptions (specifically, that it's strong atheism when it's really weak). In any case, it's totally possible that there is some superpowerful entity that can do very strange things, but I haven't seen it, so that's little more than an idle thought.

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Vieto » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:35 pm UTC

I'm a Christian, Presbyterian, and I would say I'm moderately religious. I would have to say I'm pretty much in the same boat at Sungura in the sense that I'm fascinated by science while still believing in God, and my Reverend has a Scottish/Irish accent. Actually, we have lots of fun in youth group (Including viewing our religion in a humorous light, including finding a Helicopter in revelations firing missiles (Rev. 9, for those interested)).

Politically, I would say that I'm center-left.

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby CVSoul » Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:16 pm UTC

J the Ninja wrote:I do consider myself a Christian, but I hate telling this to people, as they automatically jump to the usual fundamentalist conclusions: "Oh, so you believe in young earth creationism?" "You're against gay marriage, right?" "You think everyone is going to hell but you, right?" etc, etc. No, I don't, to answer your questions.


This. I would say I'm definitely Christian, but what a lot of Christians do -- at least, the ones that make the news -- is not OK. I can tolerate and fully respect atheists, and I agree with a lot of their views (except for, obviously, the one that God doesn't exist).

I do believe there is a God that takes an interest in my life, just like everyone else's. However, while I've seen miracles before, I've also seen a lot of times a miracle could (and possibly should) have happened that there wasn't one.
Really, I think that by this point, God had put more control of the Earth in the hands of humanity. I wouldn't have done this if I were God, but then again there are a lot of reasons it's a good thing I'm not.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Red Hal » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:14 pm UTC

I am an ignostic. The idea appeals to me on an intellectual level.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby The Cat » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:18 pm UTC

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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby PictureSarah » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:23 pm UTC

If I'm asked, I label myself agnostic. The truth is, I really don't care. I live in such a way that I feel like if there ever is a judgement day, I'm in the clear. If there's not (and I suspect there's not), I have kept my conscious clear anyway.
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Re: POLL: Are you religious?

Postby Voco » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:25 pm UTC

I'm as atheistic as the day I was born.


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