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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby kernelpanic » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:12 am UTC

Ulc wrote:ISHTST: You do get to not understanding transsexuals, but you don't fucking get to call it "weird and unnatural" and a host of other unpleasant phrases. And if you do that anyway, expect me to call you out on it.

A similar thing happened to me last week in school. We were reading a novel for English where one of the characters is transsexual. The teacher referred to her as a transvestite, which she isn't. I pointed out the difference, and she said "well, it groups all in the weird stuff anyway". Made me very angry. Another day, the Spanish teacher said something about "poor guy... his son turned out gay." A friend and I told her, in much more polite terms, to shut the fuck up and learn to respect other people. Her answer? "Oh, sorry, I didn't notice you two were boyfriends." After telling her that no, we're not gay, but that doesn't make our response any more or less valid, and her comment more or less offensive, she really couldn't understand why we would defend "them" if we're not one of "them". I hate that teacher (not because of this, just overall).
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby The Scyphozoa » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:50 am UTC

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Poochy » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:09 am UTC

kernelpanic wrote:... learn to respect other people.

Yes, this is something a whole LOT of people need to learn. Also something you shouldn't have to say, too.

That reminds me of another one from a separate incident, which in retrospect probably could also have been summed up as "Learn to respect other people":

ISHTST: Just because you disagree with someone's opinion does NOT somehow automatically give you the right to be a jerk to them. I find racism despicable, and homophobia's not any better, but you still don't see me going up to people with racist or homophobic views to pick a fight. Just act like an adult and disagree with them in a civil manner. You're more likely to get someone to change their mind that way, too. As the old cliche goes, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:16 am UTC

I shouldn't have to say this : Posting a link to the relevant comic is not clever. Funny, yes, but not clever.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Plasma Man » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:48 am UTC

ISHTST: When some of your employees make it in despite the snow, while others do not, the ones that do make it in are going to feel that the others have been given a free day off.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Poochy » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:54 pm UTC

Oh, remembered another on yet another similar note to my last one:

ISHTST: "Don't be a jerk" does NOT mean "explain to me why you think your target is inferior to you as if that justifies your behavior."
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby kernelpanic » Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:29 am UTC

Poochy wrote:I find racism despicable, and homophobia's not any better, but you still don't see me going up to people with racist or homophobic views to pick a fight.

As long as they don't act on those views, then yes, you shouldn't pick up a fight. But the moment anyone becomes violent, you should stop it.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Poochy » Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:03 am UTC

Yes, I agree. My key point was, don't start a fight over mere opinions, no matter how obnoxious. Now, if they start the fight by acting on their opinions, then please do fight back to defend yourself and/or the victims.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Ortus » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:22 am UTC

Poochy wrote:Yes, I agree. My key point was, don't start a fight over mere opinions, no matter how obnoxious. Now, if they start the fight by acting on their opinions, then please do fight back to defend yourself and/or the victims.



Not to sound juvenile, but I absolutely adore when someone picks a fight with me or my friends over arbitrary bullshit. Like, I adore it.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Heady » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:35 am UTC

ISHTST: No [name here], Mount Olympus is not on top of the Empire State Building.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby RoadieRich » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:05 am UTC

Heady wrote:ISHTST: No [name here], Mount Olympus is not on top of the Empire State Building.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby animeHrmIne » Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:22 am UTC

RoadieRich wrote:
Heady wrote:ISHTST: No [name here], Mount Olympus is not on top of the Empire State Building.

0.o

Percy Jackson and the Olympians, probably. I think they used that plot device. Though I hear that besides certain liberties like that the books are very well researched.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Ashlah » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:02 am UTC

ISHTST: I cannot not read your mind, customer.

Typical conversation during the holiday season:

*customer brings up large pile of merchandise*
Me: Do you need any gift receipts?
Customer: Oh yeah.
Me: On which items?
Customer: All of them.
Me: Together or separate?
Customer: Um...
Me: Are they all going to the same place?
Customer: Oh no, I need a couple.
Me: How would you like them separated?
*Customer finally gives me necessary information*

Sigh...I don't know, at this time of year, working so much, I just start to get annoyed with all the little things.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby jerome_bc » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:47 pm UTC

ISHTST: Downloading shitty games from shady sources on a poorly-protected Windows machine will get you viruses. Reinstalling the same games on the clean install I've just done will, surprise surprise, GET YOU THE SAME VIRUSES.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Giant Speck » Sat Dec 25, 2010 5:23 am UTC

jerome_bc wrote:ISHTST: Downloading shitty games from shady sources on a poorly-protected Windows machine will get you viruses. Reinstalling the same games on the clean install I've just done will, surprise surprise, GET YOU THE SAME VIRUSES.

You're totally wrong, dude. Any problem you experience with Windows is totally the fault of Microsoft.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Baldur » Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:00 am UTC

But....but Yoda Stories is such a fun game! How could you not download it?
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby SecondTalon » Sat Dec 25, 2010 7:03 am UTC

Also, freeyodastories.ru is totally legit.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Magnanimous » Sat Dec 25, 2010 7:36 am UTC

Yesterday I was watching one of the IS YOUR COMPUTER INFECTED? DOES EVERYTHING SEEM SO SLOOOW? CALL NOW FOR A FREE SYSTEM SCAN! commercials. I decided that they're a tax on people who are bad with computers, in the same way that the lottery is referred to as a tax on the stupid.

EDIT: Is there a word for technological literacy? Like, if you can read you're literate, and if you're good with numbers you're numerate...

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Ulc » Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:04 am UTC

Ashlah wrote:ISHTST: I cannot not read your mind, customer.


Same happens to me

Customer: A pint of beer please
Ulc: Well yes, I have 13 different on tap, and about 185 different on bottle, which one?
Customer: A good one
Ulc: I'll have you know, we don't serve any shitty beer here
Customer: Then the best one
Ulc: ... how about you tell me what type of beer you want, and I'll pick one?

Occasionally third line will be replaced with "your own favourite then", to which I can only really answer that if they can stomach the kind of beer I prefer, they would know what they want.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Zohar » Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:28 am UTC

As someone who doesn't drink much and doesn't know a lot about alcohol, I sympathize with your customer. I would have no idea which beer to get, usually I ask whatever my friends are asking for. So be a bit more considerate about the people who are willing to try new things, rather than always stick with exactly what they know.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Ulc » Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:19 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:As someone who doesn't drink much and doesn't know a lot about alcohol, I sympathize with your customer. I would have no idea which beer to get, usually I ask whatever my friends are asking for. So be a bit more considerate about the people who are willing to try new things, rather than always stick with exactly what they know.


Actually, figuring out which beer people want is the major part of my job - I love it when a customer says that they want a beer, but have no idea which one. Then I start asking question about their taste in beer, and by doing that I'm able to figure out which one they want. That's what makes the job fun.

The point is "a good beer" is really subjective. So tell me what you want from the beer, instead of just 'good' and let me second guess with no information available.

Edit: Basically, ask for help if you don't know what to do - that's what staff are for. If you tell us what you want, we can figure out which product is the best match. But if you tell us that you just want a good product, it's amazingly unhelpful.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Zohar » Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:40 pm UTC

Fair enough, just remember there are people who hardly ever drink. If you asked me what sorts of beers I liked, I would probably answer "I'm not sure, I didn't like Guiness very much." Couldn't tell you much more than that.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Whelan » Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:25 pm UTC

Yeah, I pretty much just order one of 2 ciders that most all pubs in the UK are going to have, Bulmers or Strongbow.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby phlip » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:40 am UTC

Magnanimous wrote:EDIT: Is there a word for technological literacy? Like, if you can read you're literate, and if you're good with numbers you're numerate...

I've heard the term "incomputerate", but I don't know if it's just something my high-school computers teacher made up... it's not in the dictionary, though there are some Google results for it.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Whelan » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:51 pm UTC

I've heard people use "Cmoputer illitereat"...You know what, I'm just gonna leave that there, I can't bring myself to erase the irony.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby mmark9094 » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:31 am UTC

ISHTST: You can't give someone a gift and expect to use that gift as much/more than they do, nor can you claim ownership of said gift when its already been given.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Poochy » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:51 am UTC

ISHTST: You are not so special that people should have to care what you think as if your agreement/approval gives their life meaning. This goes double if you have so little respect for other people that not only do you not care what they think, but you will tell them to their faces that you don't care and call their views "irrelevant." Please get over yourself.

And on a similar note, from another incident with a different person:

ISHTST: Just because you have authority over a group of people does not mean you're better than them, nor does it mean they have to respect you while you don't have to respect them. Also, the proper response to someone seeing you have trouble with a piece of equipment and voluntarily walking over to help you is "Thank you" and not "I can do this myself, I've been operating these things since before you were born, so go away." Please get over yourself.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby kernelpanic » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:30 pm UTC

Poochy wrote:Also, the proper response to someone seeing you have trouble with a piece of equipment and voluntarily walking over to help you is "Thank you" and not "I can do this myself, I've been operating these things since before you were born, so go away." Please get over yourself.

What I do to that kind of person is ignore their obvious difficulties, and don't help them, even if they are obviously doing something you can easily do (like reaching for something), unless they ask. If they ask, help them as good as you can. After some time, they start appreciating your help and will treat you better (at this point start helping them again).
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Whelan » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:10 pm UTC

ISHTST: When someone tells you that the word you're using is stronger than you think it is, and that they're offended by being called it, the correct response is not "Wikipedia disagrees"
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Giant Speck » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:12 pm UTC

Whelan wrote:...the correct response is not "Wikipedia disagrees"

Wikipedia disagrees.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Poochy » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:43 am UTC

Here's several which I can compress into one:

ISHTST: The fact that you can feel sympathy for X does not give you license to act smug, superior, or holier-than-thou about it, especially when you also demonstrate that you don't give a crap about Y. In fact, the latter makes the former not only fail to impress me, but also worry me.

Case 1: X = animals, Y = humans other than yourself.
Case 2: X = the perpetrator of a violent crime, Y = the victim.
Case 3: X = people in distant places you've never met, Y = the people around you.

I'm pretty sure I've had other cases that fit this formula, but I can't remember them off the top of my head right now.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Azrael » Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:44 pm UTC

ISHTST: Poochy, this isn't the rant thread.

ALSO: Neither this post nor your latest are really what this thread is for.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:48 pm UTC

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Whelan wrote:...the correct response is not "Wikipedia disagrees"

Wikipedia disagrees.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Belial » Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:22 pm UTC

Azrael wrote:ISHTST: Poochy, this isn't the rant thread.

ALSO: Neither this post nor your latest are really what this thread is for.


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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Mother Superior » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:24 pm UTC

ISHTST: When my colleague asked you to go buy a network cable for $7, that was for troubleshooting purposes only. It did not mean we knew that was the problem, and it did certainly not mean you were supposed to go out and buy wireless adapters for $150, then complain when it still didn't work.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby The EGE » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:54 am UTC

ISHTST: Just because you are bi, does not mean that all girls are, and many of them have no interest in kissing you.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Poochy » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:17 am UTC

Belial wrote:[What he said, but in angry red letters]

Duly noted. Sorry mods, and sorry thread.

How about this to get things back on track:

ISHTST: Why do you have three 32-bit signed integers named "i", "j", and "k" in your loop when they all hold the exact same value as each other on any given iteration of the loop? You can just use a single variable for that.

Edit: And another. ISHTST: No, that stick will not snap in half if you hit something with it, because it's a drumstick. It's meant to hit stuff.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby RoadieRich » Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:39 pm UTC

Poochy wrote:Edit: And another. ISHTST: No, that stick will not snap in half if you hit something with it, because it's a drumstick. It's meant to hit stuff.

Drumsticks break all the time. That's why drummers always have tons of them.

It happens the most if you miss-hit - or have never been shown how to use a stick correctly. Generally, striking hard with the centre portion of the stick on a cymbal or the rim of a drum runs the biggest risk: the momentum of the head is sometimes enough to snap it, especially if you've done it a few times before. Another hazard is breaking off the head at the neck, but I've only really experienced that with old nylon-tipped sticks used on marching snares. (Don't ask me why they were using nylon tipped sticks - the only explanation I can come up with was that the guy that bought them was a trumpeter.)

And cheap sticks with poor integrity are always at risk. They tend to (in my experience) split down the length, starting at the shoulder - although they make a nice crack sound if you hit them together once one has started to split.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby firechicago » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:19 pm UTC

ISHTST: Driving the wrong way down a one way street is both dangerous and illegal. Doing it in reverse does not help on either count.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby The EGE » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:43 pm UTC

Some of us trumpeters actually know how to buy a good pair of drumsticks.

(Go to a decent music store and ask someone knowledgeable. Duh.)
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