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Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:44 pm UTC

I made a meta-search engine (Fusionsearch) that merges results from Google, Bing, Yahoo! and Wolfram Alpha.

It is located at http://fusionsearch.us.

What do you guys think of it?

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:45 pm UTC

Makes me want to stab people in the gonads.

Just for the strife.

No, seriously, do we need a damn fusion search engine?
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Madwolf » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:51 pm UTC

Im with him.

And could you atleast make it filter out dupe results?

Though it does look cool..

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:58 pm UTC

Madwolf wrote:Im with him.

And could you atleast make it filter out dupe results?

Though it does look cool..

It does filter out duplicate results.

And yes, you need a search engine like this. First of all, it has Wolfram Alpha support too.

You can type stuff like "Weather in Netherlands when Bill Gates was born", and get a direct response, or "Distance from the sun to pluto".
Edit: This can also be used for comparing chemical compounds. As an example writing "Methanol vs ethanol", etc.

Also, it corrects spelling mistakes by suggesting errors even before the actual send button is clicked.

And it uses page-precaching for instant page switching.

Also I found out that disabling Yahoo! gives a lot of extra speed. You can do that inside the settings.

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Lord Aurora » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:13 pm UTC

Aww, be nice guys. It's actually a pretty cool little thing.
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby nsmjohn » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:39 pm UTC

I think it's nifty... probably won't use it too much though.
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:47 pm UTC

nsmjohn wrote:I think it's nifty... probably won't use it too much though.

Well, help me spread the word, will ya'? :D

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby nsmjohn » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:00 pm UTC

Consider it done, uploaded the link to a shared folder I keep with some friends. They'll looking at it and pass it on if they like it purely by natural behavior.
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Zorlin » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:07 pm UTC

A phenomenon known as "instinctual link-whoring" in some circles.
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby riboflavin » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:11 pm UTC

How can you tell whether what Wolfram Alpha is outputting is relevant, if its output is in images?

In any case, nice idea, but the slow speed is an issue. People want their search results NOW. Also, when there are duplicate results they count towards the page total. The results page total should always be 10 (or whatever is in the settings), regardless of whether there are dupes or not.
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:15 pm UTC

riboflavin wrote:How can you tell whether what Wolfram Alpha is outputting is relevant, if its output is in images?

In any case, nice idea, but the slow speed is an issue. People want their search results NOW. Also, when there are duplicate results they count towards the page total. The results page total should always be 10 (or whatever is in the settings), regardless of whether there are dupes or not.

Slow speeds can be prevented by disabling some engines. Disabling Yahoo! removes a lot of the latency.

Try that, or disabling the knowledge engine (Wolfram Alpha) from the settings.

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby riboflavin » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:18 pm UTC

Yes, that's better if I disable WA and Y!, but then it sort of defeats the purpose of this website. I might as well just use google then! What about my first question? Still curious about it. :)
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Zorlin » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:49 pm UTC

*shines a light on raboflavin* :shock:

I am also curious. Overall this seems pretty cool though.
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Josephine » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:34 pm UTC

I found a bug. A phrase which was correct (singularity university, to be exact) kept getting the suggestion of the same phrase, but as I clicked the suggestion, it simply added a space between the words.
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:56 pm UTC

riboflavin wrote:How can you tell whether what Wolfram Alpha is outputting is relevant, if its output is in images?


Everything that Wolfram Alpha outputs is relevant. Anything you ask it for.

Asking you stuff like "Area of the sun divided by denmark population count" will provide you that exact result. However, sometimes, unusual things happen. If you search "Anal", you will discover that Wolfram Alpha actually interprets it as the language "Anal", spoken in India.

In that way, things can be misunderstood. That is why it always displays "Input interpretation", to give you an idea of how Wolfram Alpha understood it.


nbonaparte1 wrote:I found a bug. A phrase which was correct (singularity university, to be exact) kept getting the suggestion of the same phrase, but as I clicked the suggestion, it simply added a space between the words.


I will look into that and have the bug fixed within a few days! Thank you so much for your feedback!

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby riboflavin » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:59 pm UTC

You don't understand what I mean - if Wolfram Alpha is outputting all its results as IMAGES, how can your program read the text in those images? Are you using Optical Character Recognition?
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:13 am UTC

riboflavin wrote:You don't understand what I mean - if Wolfram Alpha is outputting all its results as IMAGES, how can your program read the text in those images? Are you using Optical Character Recognition?

The program does not read the images.

The program asks Wolfram Alpha through a so called "REST" call, if Wolfram Alpha has something about the entered query or subject. Wolfram Alpha then generates images dynamically, and responds with the URLs to those images.

Sorry for misunderstanding your question. I'm not a native English speaker :)

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Bobber » Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:16 am UTC

I'm using this as my primary search engine. I love the image search.
I think that people would benefit from a slower search engine - maybe they'd learn to be more patient :D
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby iblis.raeb » Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:33 am UTC

Consider linking check boxes with their labels via the HTML label element, in the settings dialogue or any other areas that contain check boxes with labels... makes check box toggling simpler.
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby PerPer » Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:44 am UTC

I honestly think this is a good idea, and it's well executed, I could see myself using this in the future! Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:49 am UTC

iblis.raeb wrote:Consider linking check boxes with their labels via the HTML label element, in the settings dialogue or any other areas that contain check boxes with labels... makes check box toggling simpler.

Thank you. We'll do that in the near future.

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Giant Speck » Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:31 pm UTC

It took six seconds to display relevant information about Google. :shock:
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:24 pm UTC

Giant Speck wrote:It took six seconds to display relevant information about Google. :shock:

Yes. Woflram Alpha really has to look through a lot of data to find relevant stuff. Remember that it is dynamic! The details you see are mostly grabbed right as you search, so that they are not outdated results!

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Yakk » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:46 pm UTC

Some ajax could give you responsiveness improvements.

Start the search, and deliver results as they occur in some way, and have the page evolve as more reports come in.

That would allow using all search engines without it causing responsiveness problems.
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:49 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:Some ajax could give you responsiveness improvements.

Start the search, and deliver results as they occur in some way, and have the page evolve as more reports come in.

That would allow using all search engines without it causing responsiveness problems.

Thanks for the suggestion, but 99% of all the functions on the page are AJAX. That's what makes the page not refresh at all when searching or switching page etc.

I've been thinking about making the page do that. However, the issue is that if I did so, the overall performance in total would be more bad, and also it would be confusing to see all kinds of flickering elements building up, while searching for stuff.

If you have a work-around for that, we'll get into it :)

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Yakk » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:53 pm UTC

*nod*.

I was thinking of having search results arrive 'on the side', then slide into the final configuration.

This would make the page more CPU intensive (animating data does that).

Having nothing show up for 6 seconds is worse than having the data not be in final form for 7 seconds.
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:57 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:*nod*.

I was thinking of having search results arrive 'on the side', then slide into the final configuration.

This would make the page more CPU intensive (animating data does that).

Having nothing show up for 6 seconds is worse than having the data not be in final form for 7 seconds.

That is entirely true.

Hmm, I will actually try making that! Can I have your email in a personal message, to let you know when this feature has been completed? :)

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Yakk » Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:07 pm UTC

Just post in this thread. :p
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:23 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:Just post in this thread. :p

Will do :)

I'll have the first results ready probably in 2 or 3 days.

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Bobber » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:21 pm UTC

Mathy wrote:I'll have the first results ready probably in 2 or 3 days.
2 or 3 hours you say, alright, cool.
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Beacons! » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:57 pm UTC

The kicker for me would be if you included the image search as a custom search bar for firefox as well as the text search (something google has thus far failed to do)
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Postby Mathy » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:47 pm UTC

Beacons! wrote:The kicker for me would be if you included the image search as a custom search bar for firefox as well as the text search (something google has thus far failed to do)

Will do! :) Thank you!

Expect that to be done in a month though. That'll be very low priority, since nobody else requested it.

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Postby Mathy » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:51 pm UTC

Bobber wrote:
Mathy wrote:I'll have the first results ready probably in 2 or 3 days.
2 or 3 hours you say, alright, cool.

Nah, I have a conference with the Wolfram Alpha team online in approximately 12 hours.

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby riboflavin » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:45 pm UTC

Beacons! wrote:The kicker for me would be if you included the image search as a custom search bar for firefox as well as the text search (something google has thus far failed to do)


Is this what you mean? http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engine ... gle+images
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Magilla » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:08 am UTC

Bobber wrote:
Mathy wrote:I'll have the first results ready probably in 2 or 3 days.
2 or 3 hours you say, alright, cool.

69 months?!?!
No! Six to nine months!

Edit:
Search: Esperance, Australia

Wolfram result:

Wolfram Alpha has more on Esperance, Australia's capital city.

I'm pretty sure that this isn't the capital city of anywhere...
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Postby '; DROP DATABASE;-- » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:23 am UTC

I remember when it was called Dogpile.
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Postby Magilla » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:25 am UTC

Dogpile was good. I liked it.
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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:30 am UTC

Magilla wrote:Dogpile was good. I liked it.

I don't think Dogpile's result are very readable.

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Re: Bing + Google + Yahoo! + Wolfram Alpha = Fusionsearch

Postby Mathy » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:46 am UTC

Magilla wrote:
Bobber wrote:
Mathy wrote:I'll have the first results ready probably in 2 or 3 days.
2 or 3 hours you say, alright, cool.

69 months?!?!
No! Six to nine months!

Edit:
Search: Esperance, Australia

Wolfram result:

Wolfram Alpha has more on Esperance, Australia's capital city.

I'm pretty sure that this isn't the capital city of anywhere...

Blame Wolfram Alpha for this. This is not my engine's fault.


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