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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Jessica » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:27 pm UTC

I don't?

I mean, if someone says they don't celebrate, I stop wishing them christmas. If I know they don't, and do celebrate something else, I'll wish that on them. If I'm giving them a gift and attending christmas stuff I'll go with christmas. otherwise I don't reference it unless someone prompts me.
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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby kingofdreams » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:30 pm UTC

I never celebrated christmas, but I always vicariously enjoyed other people celebrating it, its been so scaled back that I miss it terribly
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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby JoeyJo0 » Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:24 pm UTC

I'm not Christian...

The only reason we care about Christmas is presents!

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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Sungura » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:16 pm UTC

I don't. I wish people Merry Christmas. Others can say whatever they want to me, so I should be able to say Merry Christmas. However, if I know someone doesn't like Christmas, or if I know they celebrate something else, I use the appropriate holiday. But my default is Merry Christmas.
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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby kgirlfae » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:21 pm UTC

I ignore it all together except for with my family, and since I know for the most part all they really care about are presents I don't really worry about it so much with them. I don't wish people happy anything, and if I have to I use the phrase from the think geek wrapping paper ("Have a Satisfactory, Non-denominational Capitalist, Wintertime Gift-giving Season!")

Working in retail I generally found that people who care will wish you a "Merry Christmas" first, so you can just mumble reciprocation, and if they don't care "Have a great day" is just as adequate to them as a generic "happy holidays!"

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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Dobblesworth » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:52 pm UTC

Hehe, I've, completely independent from this thread, gone about greeting friends, family and faculty with the phrase "Happy Secular Winter Festival" for the past few years. Establishing such a phrase to use is perhaps part-and-parcel of my cynical deist approach to life. :) I don't do it out of spite for Christmas as a concept, but just a quirky remark about the overtly politically-correct society of today and the over-commercialisation of the whole affair. I tend to get a pleased response out of it. It went on my Christmas cards last year which I mass-distributed to my engineering colleagues, of various denominations.

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Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:06 am UTC

I celebrate Christmas secularly. Really, the themes of giving and such are pretty humanistic, and besides, it's fun.
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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:46 am UTC

Christmas is about giving? Which commercials have YOU been watching? :)

Really, the time of year is called Christmas, much like the month it's in is called December. If you don't want it to be called Christmas for religious reasons, why do you let monks dictate how you refer to the twelfth month in the Gregorian calendar (which means, I might add, 'tenth'). I call it Christmas, when most of us are about as religious as your average piece of toast.

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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby poxic » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:52 am UTC

I happen to know some deeply religious toast.

Yeah, I usually wish either "good day" or whatever festival I know a person to celebrate. If it's a group that mostly celebrates Christmas but some don't... actually, I don't know what I'd do then. I don't think I've ever said "Merry Christmas" to a group of people when it wasn't at a specifically Christmas event.
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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Velict » Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:59 am UTC

I'm bad at doing that "not offending anyone" bit.

It's all just Christmas to me.

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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Sharlos » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:10 am UTC

Well I'm offended, December is in the middle of summer you northern hemisphere bigots.

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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Giant Speck » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:44 am UTC

Sharlos wrote:Well I'm offended, December is in the middle of summer you northern hemisphere bigots.

It's not our fault you decided to live in the ass-backwards part of the world.

On a serious note, I don't see a problem with saying "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings." This is the holiday season and many people are celebrating dozens of holidays, including Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Yule, Thanksgiving, Boxing Day, New Years, along with numerous other religious festivals and secular winter celebrations.

I don't see why people feel the need to get offended when their specific holiday isn't mentioned in a greeting. The phrase "Happy Holidays" does not, in my opinion, water down the importance of any religious celebration.
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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby vslayer » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:25 am UTC

Sharlos wrote:Well I'm offended, December is in the middle of summer you northern hemisphere bigots.


Exactly what I was going to say when I saw the title of this thread.

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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Pretty Socialite » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:01 am UTC

just about anything i say is BOUND to offend someone... so i stopped caring a LONG time ago.

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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Chai Kovsky » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:06 am UTC

Pretty Socialite wrote:just about anything i say is BOUND to offend someone... so i stopped caring a LONG time ago.
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Since I'm in the city with the 3rd largest Jewish population in the world and a very diverse mix of other things as well, I don't tend to wish people a "Merry Christmas" by default. I find that "Happy Holidays" works just as well, if not better (and screw the 72% of people who prefer Merry Christmas, that might as well just be "and Christians prefer hearing "Merry Christmas"). Admittedly, if you're going to say "Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Winter Solstice!" I can imagine people being a little irked that their holiday of choice was left out in favor of miscellaneous "and Happy Holidays!" All the more reason just to say "Happy Holidays" the first time.
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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Ryuk » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:40 am UTC

I don't care what people say and I really think that this is a perfect example of the alarming turn towards being Basically Decent, whatever you say you will offend someone, even if you say happy secular non-denominational winter-solstice-theme days, people will be offended, I celebrate Christmas for its idea of giving not for any celebration of Jesus, and if someone wants to tell me happy Manoj Night Shyamalan day I'm fine with it, because even if I don't celebrate Manoj Night Shyamalan day its the idea of wishing someone well that is really communicated by the greeting.

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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby BlazeOrangeDeer » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:35 am UTC

Yeah, I go with Merry Christmas not just because it's the best holiday ever (citation needed) but because that day is called christmas day, and I would prefer that you be merry on that day rather than the alternative. And Christmas has always had that humanistic feel to it, "let's all love each other and share gifts! And btw Jesus came as the savior of the entire human race! yay."

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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Chai Kovsky » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:50 am UTC

"Happy Holidays" may be PC and, as such, offend the delicate sensibilities of the indelicate, but it makes me feel unacknowledged, not when someone doesn't say "Happy Chanukah" to me, but when they say "Merry Christmas," because I'm not okay with "Christian-as-default" and being treated as Christian-unless-otherwise-specified. I don't mean to single you out, BlazeOrangeDeer, but saying Christmas is about "let's all love each other and share gifts" is like saying that the cross represents everyone; sure, it means something lovely, but only to the group it represents. To the group not involved, it mostly just means the "Jesus came as the savior of the entire human race" thing, which just ain't my kettle of fish.
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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Giant Speck » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:42 am UTC

It's funny that people even say "Merry Christmas" before December 25 (or <insert-date-of-Christmas-in-your-region-here>) in the first place, unless "Merry Christmas" is the lazyass modern way of saying "I hope you have a merry Christmas."

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "Happy Easter," "Happy Valentine's Day," or "Happy Thanksgiving" two or more weeks in advance.
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Re: Happy Secular Non-Denominational Winter-Solstice-Theme Days

Postby Elvish Pillager » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:44 pm UTC

I don't celebrate any holidays and I don't refer to holidays except as a specific response to someone else. I'm no more offended by "merry Christmas" (which falsely assumes that I celebrate Christmas) than I am by "happy holidays" (which falsely assumes that I celebrate holidays.)

I do sometimes say "Have a nice break", considering that I go to a school which holds a break at that time.
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