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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby KrazyerKate » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:34 pm UTC

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Walter.Horvath wrote:That's kinda the goal of advertising, though, getting an ad stuck in your head.

It's more to get the product stuck in your head. Apparently that commercial failed this goal for Krazyer, because Krazyer can't remember the product.

However, the effect need nto be conscious. Maybe next time he's looking at a bunch of [product type] he'll see that one and say "OHHH! That's what that commercial was about."


For a lot of commercials, especially for things that are small like soap or shampoo or something, I avoid any product for which I have that reaction. When I'm at a mall or store I'll sometimes think "hey, I remember that brand! they had that obnoxious commercial that got on my nerves. Let's buy from the competitors, shall we?"

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Walter.Horvath » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:33 pm UTC

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Walter.Horvath wrote:That's kinda the goal of advertising, though, getting an ad stuck in your head.

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Except this. Pretty much what KrazyerKate said when it comes to Head On or it's sister products. They ended up making another ad parodying the original 'repeat this line and rotating woman in front of a green screen!' ad, but it was far too late.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby GhostWolfe » Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:08 am UTC

Two billboards have appeared in the train station near where I work.

One reads (roughly): My favourite place, Paddington. Brisbane, the new world city.
The other: My favourite place, Scenic Rim. Brisbane, the new world city.

1. Brisbane is not a real city. It's a country town you can spit across, pretending to be a city cause it wishes it were half as popular as Sydney or Melbourne [/rant].
2. Paddington is a suburb in Brisbane, nice place. Scenic Rim is a region. They aren't even close to be similar ideas.
3. Scenic Rim isn't in Brisbane at all. It's an entirely seperate council/county to Brisbane.

To make thing worse, one of the billboards replaced an ad that I really liked *pouts*

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Shivahn » Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:45 am UTC

GhostWolfe wrote:To make thing worse, one of the billboards replaced an ad that I really liked *pouts*

I feel weird when that happens. When I realize that I liked a commercial because it was funny or something.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby lulzfish » Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:24 am UTC

Shivahn wrote:
GhostWolfe wrote:To make thing worse, one of the billboards replaced an ad that I really liked *pouts*

I feel weird when that happens. When I realize that I liked a commercial because it was funny or something.

I liked the commercials about buzzed / drunk driving:
* A guy is in an ambulance, paramedics are trying to keep his friend alive *
Guy: "But we were just buzzed!"
Paramedic: "Wait, you were just buzzed?"
Guy: "Yeah?"
Paramedic: "Why didn't you tell us that? He's going to be fine."
Friend: *sits upright* "Yeah, I'm going to be fine."
Guy: *incredulous* "Really?"
Paramedic: "No."
Friend: *Lies down again*


It was hilarious. But then I stopped watching TV regularly. :/


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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Walter.Horvath » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:08 am UTC

Ahaha :lol:

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

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This is the retort, I believe.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby The Scyphozoa » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:06 am UTC


Good question.











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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby cephalopod9 » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:59 am UTC

Indeed.
Kind of funny, up until I don't understand why she's taking her shirt off (watched it without sound).
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby joshz » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:24 am UTC

cephalopod9 wrote:Indeed.
Kind of funny, up until I don't understand why she's taking her shirt off (watched it without sound).
Don't worry, it doesn't make sense with sound either.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby H2SO4 » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:55 am UTC

Anyone seen those ads that are linked to news articles (or something) that are everywhere? Like, "Obama Urges Mothers To Go Back To School!" or "9/10 Homeowners Don't Take Advantage Of (blah blah)"? Well, on the "Mothers" one, the ad picture was an animated GIF of a woman jogging. On the "Homeowners" one, it was again an animated GIF of a dog with it's head out of a car window and it's lips flapping. It just doesn't make sense.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby lulzfish » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:59 am UTC

H2SO4 wrote:Anyone seen those ads that are linked to news articles (or something) that are everywhere? Like, "Obama Urges Mothers To Go Back To School!" or "9/10 Homeowners Don't Take Advantage Of (blah blah)"? Well, on the "Mothers" one, the ad picture was an animated GIF of a woman jogging. On the "Homeowners" one, it was again an animated GIF of a dog with it's head out of a car window and it's lips flapping. It just doesn't make sense.

In a lot of cases, the GIF is edited so that it appears to continuously play forwards and backwards, as if someone reversed it with Movie Maker. It just... looks like shit.

And it's so stupid it's offensive. Why would somebody be dancing because Obama asked them to go back to school? Why should I give a shit? AND WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU USE AN ANIMATED GIF TO ILLUSTRATE THAT.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Zohar » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:07 am UTC

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby H2SO4 » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:45 pm UTC

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Postby KrazyerKate » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:33 am UTC

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby lulzfish » Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:01 am UTC

And it's like they're trying to fool Windows users.

"Ah! This native Windows XP dialog is jumping around! It must be important and legitimate!"
"But wait! It's a blue-titlebared dialog! And I'm using the silver XP theme!"

"I think perhaps this is NOT a dialog!"
"In fact, it's in the designated space for an advertisement!"
"You had me going for a second there!"

Wonder what they'll do when Windows 7 use beats XP. They'll have to change to some shitty imitation of Aero.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Chfan » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:10 pm UTC

And nobody uses Aero, they customize. So that crap with the ad that looks like a window i n a pop-up will be gone too.
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Postby Whelan » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:25 pm UTC

Chfan wrote:And nobody uses Aero, they customize. So that crap with the ad that looks like a window i n a pop-up will be gone too.

You go ahead and keep on believing that.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby folkhero » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:38 pm UTC

lulzfish wrote:And it's so stupid it's offensive. Why would somebody be dancing because Obama asked them to go back to school? Why should I give a shit? AND WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU USE AN ANIMATED GIF TO ILLUSTRATE THAT.

The point isn't to make sense, it's to draw your eye to the ad. I saw one of those ads that had a picture of a guy with really horrible teeth and spent about 15 seconds trying to figure out what it had to do with the text of the ad, then I remembered the first sentence and it made me angry.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby lulzfish » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:40 pm UTC

They could at least show an interesting picture like the Evony guys did, instead of some poorly-animated trainwreck of poor graphic design.

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Postby KrazyerKate » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:48 am UTC

lulzfish wrote:They could at least show an interesting picture like the Evony guys did, instead of some poorly-animated trainwreck of poor graphic design.


A friend of mine said that he liked evony for "providing eye candy for otherwise boring webpages".

Anyway, I wish there was a way to acknowledge ads in order to make them stop. It makes sense to have a flashing ad to get my attention, but once I've looked at it and read the brand name, any more flashing and the company is only getting on my nerves making me less and less likely to do whatever they want me to do.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Random832 » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:06 am UTC

KrazyerKate wrote:Anyway, I wish there was a way to acknowledge ads in order to make them stop. It makes sense to have a flashing ad to get my attention, but once I've looked at it and read the brand name, any more flashing and the company is only getting on my nerves making me less and less likely to do whatever they want me to do.


Well, what they want you to do is click through. If you don't, then they don't care about you.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby screech » Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:31 am UTC

Something that kind of annoyed me just now.

Movie ad for generic summer sci-fi blockbuster: "In a world beyond your imagination!"

I think you're underestimating people's imaginations. If I couldn't imagine it then I think watching the movie would make no sense and likely drive me insane, much like Cthulhu.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Zohar » Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:36 am UTC

A commercial for online services for a bank in Israel. They chose to show business people running in a race throughout their lives (waiters give them cups of coffee while running and talking on the phone, etc.). Supposedly because they don't have to go to the bank, they can save time through various online services. In one of the shots there's a big group of kids in Judo (or karate I suppose) outfits and and ballet outfits, standing and waiting for their parents to give them a hug on their daily race.

The thing that annoys me is there are no girls wearing judo outfits and no boys wearing ballet outfits.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Chfan » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:14 pm UTC

That does suck pretty hard.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Random832 » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:17 pm UTC

So has anyone seen that 'get out of debt' commercial that tries very hard to look like it's normal programming on a generic news channel (tickers on the bottom, generic news-y theme music, clip of President Obama halfway through, etc)?

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Walter.Horvath » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:20 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:The thing that annoys me is there are no girls wearing judo outfits and no boys wearing ballet outfits.

Well, yes, but not every commercial /has/ to be completely correct by everyone's standards. Statistically, it makes sense. Unless those were very large classes.

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Chfan wrote:Additionally, PISTACHIOS AREN'T SEX. THEY ARE DISGUSTING LITTLE BALLS OF HATE AND COMPARING THEM TO SEX WILL NOT MAKE ME CHANGE MY MIND. GAAH.

I AGREE, FUCK PISTACHIOS.

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Postby H2SO4 » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:52 pm UTC

It's kinda sad when a commercial for pistachios gets me aroused...
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Random832 wrote:So has anyone seen that 'get out of debt' commercial that tries very hard to look like it's normal programming on a generic news channel (tickers on the bottom, generic news-y theme music, clip of President Obama halfway through, etc)?

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Walter.Horvath » Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:47 pm UTC

Random832 wrote:So has anyone seen that 'get out of debt' commercial that tries very hard to look like it's normal programming on a generic news channel (tickers on the bottom, generic news-y theme music, clip of President Obama halfway through, etc)?

Which one? :?

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:00 pm UTC

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Zohar wrote:The thing that annoys me is there are no girls wearing judo outfits and no boys wearing ballet outfits.

Well, yes, but not every commercial /has/ to be completely correct by everyone's standards. Statistically, it makes sense. Unless those were very large classes.

Well.. sorta? So long as the class sizes were more than 5, you're essentially showing a micro version of the group you're advertising to - see also just about every ad in America failing on this but I'll get to that - So you do sorta kinda need to show things as normal as possible aka Girls taking Judo is no big deal despite current statistics showing that females aren't as likely to get down with the martial arts as males are, there's still an asston (metric, I believe) of girls who do take part in such exercises.... same thing with ballet. There aren't as many guys in it, sure, but there are still a statistically significant number of males who partake in the art of ballet dancing.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:40 am UTC

Of course, showing women in judo (and, I suppose, boys in ballet--which I'd wager is much rarer than women in judo) in advertisements would foster the idea that such things are acceptable in the public mindset. The advertisers might just create themselves a new market or two.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby H2SO4 » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:28 am UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:Of course, showing women in judo (and, I suppose, boys in ballet--which I'd wager is much rarer than women in judo) in advertisements would foster the idea that such things are acceptable in the public mindset. The advertisers might just create themselves a new market or two.

Why advertise for something you aren't getting paid to advertise? :P
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Postby Sir_Elderberry » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:30 am UTC

Oh, true. I guess in this instance the judo isn't the point.
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