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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Briareos » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:28 pm UTC

For lyrica, a fibromyalgia medication: the woman had been in some pain. Then, she said, she "found out that attached to our muscles are nerves that carry messages all over the body." Really? You just found that out?
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Magnanimous » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:42 pm UTC

Briareos wrote:For lyrica, a fibromyalgia medication: the woman had been in some pain. Then, she said, she "found out that attached to our muscles are nerves that carry messages all over the body." Really? You just found that out?

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Postby PhoenixEnigma » Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:03 am UTC

Today in Home Depot (in relation to low-flow toilets):
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby kernelpanic » Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:46 am UTC

PhoenixEnigma wrote:Today in Home Depot (in relation to low-flow toilets)

What did the asterisk say?
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby PhoenixEnigma » Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:48 am UTC

Just a citation of wherever their data came from, Environment Canada or something like that.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby uncivlengr » Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:04 am UTC

This Canadian water usage has always been a peeve of mine - we have a shit-ton of water per capita compared to any other country, of course we're going to use more. Water usage is not a problem in Canada - the biggest problem we can come up with here is the fact that eventually some country might invade us for our water resources.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby cephalopod9 » Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:24 am UTC

Why is Science Channel advertising 'Christian Dating Site'? I don't understand. (I don't remember or care what the actual name was).
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby OBrien » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:20 am UTC

uncivlengr wrote:This Canadian water usage has always been a peeve of mine - we have a shit-ton of water per capita compared to any other country, of course we're going to use more. Water usage is not a problem in Canada - the biggest problem we can come up with here is the fact that eventually some country might invade us for our water resources.

I think the problem is the energy used to supply the water: Electricity for pums and purifiers, etc.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Grop » Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:10 am UTC

Re: per capita ~ to be fair, smaller countries (I mean countries with fewer people :mrgreen:) tend to have more excentric "per capita" stats than bigger ones.

Or is it a personal illusion ? :P

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Postby Goldstein » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:28 am UTC

You have to take into account that America has more people per capita than Canada, Phoenix.
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Postby OBrien » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:30 am UTC

Only because Canada has more capitas than people!
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby H2SO4 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:38 pm UTC

Goldstein wrote:You have to take into account that America has more people per capita than Canada, Phoenix.

Wait what? "People per capita"?
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Postby Antimony-120 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:34 am UTC

Grop wrote:Re: per capita ~ to be fair, smaller countries (I mean countries with fewer people :mrgreen:) tend to have more excentric "per capita" stats than bigger ones.

Or is it a personal illusion ? :P


Canada's population isn't that small actually. It's just that, as in everything else, it tends to look smaller because of who it's next to. Admittedly it's the smallest of the G8 by a long shot, but it's still larger than say, Australia. Certainly large enough that you don't tend to get the rediculous stats created mostly by blind luck or sampling bias.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby OBrien » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:42 am UTC

H2SO4 wrote:
Goldstein wrote:You have to take into account that America has more people per capita than Canada, Phoenix.

Wait what? "People per capita"?

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Postby H2SO4 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:45 am UTC

OBrien wrote:Sarcasm: Hard to convey on the internet. Read from here.

Well, I understood the context, just wasn't quite sure of the tone. Sad, sad, text-based speech.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Giant Speck » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:25 am UTC

A sign that you watch television too much: when you notice that the music used in the Endless Pools commercial is the same music used in the California Psychics commercial.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby H2SO4 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:45 pm UTC

Giant Speck wrote:A sign that you watch television too much: when you notice that the music used in the Endless Pools commercial is the same music used in the California Psychics commercial.

Or just when you start noticing the same sounds being used. I think I've heard this one sound from Starcraft (I think it's a Zerg scream) at least 30 times in the past couple of years.
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Giant Speck wrote:A sign that you watch television too much: when you notice that the music used in the Endless Pools commercial is the same music used in the California Psychics commercial.
Or just when you start noticing the same sounds being used. I think I've heard this one sound from Starcraft (I think it's a Zerg scream) at least 30 times in the past couple of years.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

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Giant Speck wrote:A sign that you watch television too much: when you notice that the music used in the Endless Pools commercial is the same music used in the California Psychics commercial.

Or just when you start noticing the same sounds being used. I think I've heard this one sound from Starcraft (I think it's a Zerg scream) at least 30 times in the past couple of years.


This sound? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3WimCPUkQY

Yeah, it's annoying as hell. I hear it everywhere too.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby H2SO4 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:57 pm UTC

Yeah, that one. And also sometimes I hear the noise of the fusion laser in Alpha Centauri... Gah. I need to not watch so much TV.
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Postby Magnanimous » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:29 am UTC

Y'know the punching sound in Morrowind? (Not the swing, the sound that plays when you actually connect.) I've heard that everywhere, and I wonder if Bethesda got the sound from a generic bank of these things.

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Postby OBrien » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:52 am UTC

Probably the BBC SFX archive. Everyone uses that who doesn't make their own.
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Postby Lazar » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:56 am UTC

There's this sort of metallic ghostly screechy sound which is heavily overused, especially in reality shows when they're trying to establish some kind of tension. Recently I heard it in Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares, and I was like Jesus Christ, not this sound again.
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Postby Cloud Walker » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:25 am UTC

I've head the death sound of a zombieman in Doom used various places. Nothing comes to mind, though.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

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Giant Speck wrote:A sign that you watch television too much: when you notice that the music used in the Endless Pools commercial is the same music used in the California Psychics commercial.

Or just when you start noticing the same sounds being used. I think I've heard this one sound from Starcraft (I think it's a Zerg scream) at least 30 times in the past couple of years.

I hear music that I recognize from Code Lyoko on things like Discovery channel and HGTV.
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Postby Canineteeth » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:55 am UTC

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(It reads, whole grain & Calcium guaranteed).

I kind understand why you would guarantee it has whole grain, but still. . . is this something you really need to guarantee? Reminds me of the asbestos-free cereal comic.

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Postby SurgicalSteel » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:05 am UTC

I don't see why not, it's possible that the cereal doesn't have any whole-grain food products in it.
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SurgicalSteel wrote:I don't see why not, it's possible that the cereal doesn't have any whole-grain food products in it.

The reason it's weird is that an actual guarantee implies a "money-back" guarantee. "Hey, there's no calcium in this box!" "We're very sorry about that, sir. We can refund your money or you can have another box."
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Postby Goldstein » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:59 am UTC

I think 'Naturally and artificially flavoured' is more unusual. Once you've included artificial flavourings, it's pretty meaningless to try to still claim it's naturally flavoured.
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Postby phlip » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:48 pm UTC

"Natural flavours" doesn't mean "naturally flavoured", as in the flavour that the food has if you don't mess with it... it just means that the flavouring that's been added artificially was extracted from a natural source, rather than being synthesised. Ultimately, a pointless distinction.

Also, in terms of sounds being heard everywhere: the Protoss building construction sound from Starcraft (as a generic "electricity is happening" sound), the final boss firing from Doom II (as a generic explosion) and Doom doors and elevators.

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Postby Goldstein » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:28 pm UTC

Yeah, but if you're worried about that sort of thing then "Some of it's naturally flavoured" is about as reassuring as "Some of it's not dog shit".

Also, that cop radio sound from the original GTA.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

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H2SO4 wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:A sign that you watch television too much: when you notice that the music used in the Endless Pools commercial is the same music used in the California Psychics commercial.

Or just when you start noticing the same sounds being used. I think I've heard this one sound from Starcraft (I think it's a Zerg scream) at least 30 times in the past couple of years.


This sound? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3WimCPUkQY

Yeah, it's annoying as hell. I hear it everywhere too.

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I notice 4 Chords Songs, especially in Pop music. Drives me nuts when I hear the chord progression and nobody else around me does.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Whelan » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:25 pm UTC

So you don't notice Pachabel's cannon everywhere then?
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Postby KrazyerKate » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:44 pm UTC

yeah, same thing. "Four chords" is really more accurate since Pachelbel is eight.

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Postby Whelan » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:17 pm UTC

There's at least one song that's got both. I have a feeling it's Let It Be, off of the Beatles.
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Postby You, sir, name? » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:17 pm UTC

You're guaranteed to lose weight with (product)*.

* in combination with exercise and a change in diet.
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Postby Magnanimous » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:22 pm UTC

You, sir, name? wrote:You're guaranteed to lose weight with (product)*.

* in combination with exercise and a change in diet.

Of course. Money is heavy, you know.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby The Scyphozoa » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:06 am UTC

Separating the subject and predicate. It annoys me.

You seem to see this kind of thing in text-based advertisement a lot.
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