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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Rium » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:29 pm UTC

I often see ads listing three (or more) benefits, X, Y, and Z, of some product, where Y is a consequence of X and Z, and not a direct consequence of using the product. That strikes me as slightly dishonest.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby GenericAnimeBoy » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:09 pm UTC

My favorite commercial fallacy is the one where people in infomercials fail at even the simplest tasks. Video (humorously set to 'The Beatles - Help') here.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby emceng » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:50 pm UTC

All the tax preparer ads right now are annoying, but one stands out. There's a guy saying "I was a CFO for 25 years" blah blah blah, bring your taxes to me. Going from long term CFO to a freaking CPA? That's a huge step down. Like, Obama being mayor of Knob Nobster, MO step down.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby dudiobugtron » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:05 am UTC

GenericAnimeBoy wrote:My favorite commercial fallacy is the one where people in infomercials fail at even the simplest tasks. Video (humorously set to 'The Beatles - Help') here.

Sadly, for me, many of those aren't fallacious...
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby JudeMorrigan » Wed May 15, 2013 4:22 pm UTC

Not a logical fallacy, but the message of the Facebook Home commercials IS "people who use this app are gigantic, self-centered douchebags", right? (Don't misunderstand me, I'm sure there are plenty of perfectly lovely people in reality who use it. I'm just talking about the commericals here.)

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby pkcommando » Wed May 15, 2013 5:29 pm UTC

JudeMorrigan wrote:Not a logical fallacy, but the message of the Facebook Home commercials IS "people who use this app are gigantic, self-centered douchebags", right? (Don't misunderstand me, I'm sure there are plenty of perfectly lovely people in reality who use it. I'm just talking about the commericals here.)

That's pretty much how I saw it, especially the girl at the museum ad. It reminded me somewhat of the Burger King commercials from a few years back where one had a guy dive from his moving car (w/ it continuing on to slam into other people's cars) and another had someone ram another car in the drive-through. All to say (apparently) that people are really eager to get those burgers. I'm never sure if I should facepalm or if I should salute a company for the honesty to say "Our customers are assholes."

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby folkhero » Wed May 15, 2013 6:18 pm UTC

The difference being that someone jumping out of a moving vehicle to get a hamburger-sandwich is obviously absurd. Someone who can't stop thinking about social networking for five god-damn minutes to appreciate something beautiful is all to realistic.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Menacing Spike » Wed May 15, 2013 6:44 pm UTC

Rium wrote:I often see ads listing three (or more) benefits, X, Y, and Z, of some product, where Y is a consequence of X and Z, and not a direct consequence of using the product. That strikes me as slightly dishonest.


Doesn't (a=>b, b=>c) => (a=>c) ?

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby DaBigCheez » Wed May 15, 2013 8:35 pm UTC

Ads that have been annoying me recently, though not really logical fallacies:

-One for "Fresh & Easy" food chain which has three strikes against it:
1) Substitutes "F & Easy" instead all but one or two times it comes up in their song, then at the end of the commercial they let the pretense that it just stands for their name slip for a bit when they have someone state it's "fast, fresh, and F'and easy" - come on, guys, you're not even trying!
2) Has as a major thrust "We don't use ingredients you can't pronounce, like polysaturfrappurated lactocrappasorbet", which sounds to me like "Oh me yarm some things have *chemicals*! Chemicals are *bad*!" (Well yeah, you list out the full scientific name for everything and it'll often go over two syllables, get back to me when I should care?)
3) Song is stupidly catchy, so it gets stuck in my head all day and makes me keep going over the things about the lyrics that bug me :P

-Other one for some insurance company or other which is blatantly pandering to local sportsball team fans (background noises of a baseball stadium, etc.) and referencing the SF Giants' past couple years, starts it out with "What's better than winning two world championships in three years? How about...WHOOOOO!...Nothing!" Aside from the fact it has nothing to do with their product, it's trivially false - if the competition's yearly, wouldn't, I don't know, winning three be better? (And that's even ignoring the "World" series only being open, to my knowledge, to any city in the world...that happens to have a Major League Baseball franchise, which only exist in the US?)
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby yurell » Wed May 15, 2013 9:08 pm UTC

DaBigCheez wrote:2) Has as a major thrust "We don't use ingredients you can't pronounce, like polysaturfrappurated lactocrappasorbet", which sounds to me like "Gee Willikers some things have *chemicals*! Chemicals are *bad*!" (Well yeah, you list out the full scientific name for everything and it'll often go over two syllables, get back to me when I should care?)


This doesn't bring me comfort, since most of the things that I'm likely to encounter that are in a good position to kill me have pretty short (common) names.
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Postby The Scyphozoa » Wed May 15, 2013 9:20 pm UTC

So, Cheez, sounds more like you're just ranting about the pretenses of MLB rather than the commercial itself.

I see your point through. Not only is three wins better than two, but also...well, I didn't really pay attention to last year, but the Giants winning in 2010 wasn't satisfying at all. The Rangers just fucking GAVE us that series.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby gingermrkettle » Wed May 15, 2013 9:38 pm UTC

So the new HTC is better than other phones because it "has an amplifier". Which apparently means that all other phones somehow manage to produce sound entirely passively?

Oh, and playing music out loud from a phone when other people are present makes you a *insert insult of choice* in all circumstances without exception.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Puppyclaws » Wed May 15, 2013 9:48 pm UTC

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I've never understood this hang up people have about the World Series. Things have names, those names don't always reflect exactly what they are. It's not called The One and Only Worldwide All Countries Included Baseball Championship to Determine the World's Best Team Bar None No Exceptions America is Number One.


And, yes, those Facebook commercials drive me crazy. They are basically encouraging a culture of awful behavior that already exists.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Dason » Wed May 15, 2013 10:20 pm UTC

gingermrkettle wrote:Oh, and playing music out loud from a phone when other people are present makes you a *insert insult of choice* in all circumstances without exception.

Without exception? You honestly can't imagine a situation where you might want to be able to play sound from your phone when other people are present?
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Zarq » Wed May 15, 2013 11:03 pm UTC

Dason wrote:
gingermrkettle wrote:Oh, and playing music out loud from a phone when other people are present makes you a *insert insult of choice* in all circumstances without exception.

Without exception? You honestly can't imagine a situation where you might want to be able to play sound from your phone when other people are present?


Yeah, seriously. Not 30 minutes ago I showed a friend a video on my phone.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby The Scyphozoa » Wed May 15, 2013 11:29 pm UTC

Dason wrote:
gingermrkettle wrote:Oh, and playing music out loud from a phone when other people are present makes you a *insert insult of choice* in all circumstances without exception.

Without exception? You honestly can't imagine a situation where you might want to be able to play sound from your phone when other people are present?

Yeah. When someone's at your school giving an anti-drug presentation, sometimes you just want to pull out your phone and play the last 5 seconds of "The Next Episode".
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby gingermrkettle » Wed May 15, 2013 11:57 pm UTC

Dason wrote:
gingermrkettle wrote:Oh, and playing music out loud from a phone when other people are present makes you a *insert insult of choice* in all circumstances without exception.

Without exception? You honestly can't imagine a situation where you might want to be able to play sound from your phone when other people are present?


Ok, modification. Playing music from your phone when people who are not part of your social group are also present in the same location and are not looking to interact with you, in the manner shown in the advert as an example, makes you a *selected crude comparison*.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

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DaBigCheez wrote:Ads that have been annoying me recently, though not really logical fallacies:

-One for "Fresh & Easy" food chain which has three strikes against it:
1) Substitutes "F & Easy" instead all but one or two times it comes up in their song, then at the end of the commercial they let the pretense that it just stands for their name slip for a bit when they have someone state it's "fast, fresh, and F'and easy" - come on, guys, you're not even trying!
2) Has as a major thrust "We don't use ingredients you can't pronounce, like polysaturfrappurated lactocrappasorbet", which sounds to me like "Gee Willikers some things have *chemicals*! Chemicals are *bad*!" (Well yeah, you list out the full scientific name for everything and it'll often go over two syllables, get back to me when I should care?)
3) Song is stupidly catchy, so it gets stuck in my head all day and makes me keep going over the things about the lyrics that bug me :P

Their in-store ads have become weird, too. Basically, in their storefront, they have a bunch of ads that are just the Fresh & Easy logo with something fresh "censoring" the "resh" in Fresh, like a bowl of strawberries. I always pretend the ampersand is actually an N, and it's saying "Fuckin' Easy".

Fresh & Easy is about to die off, anyway, or be absorbed by some American company. Tesco couldn't make a profit off of it.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby RollingHead » Thu May 16, 2013 3:21 pm UTC

I don't know if it's still around, but last year in Italy there was an ad for toothpaste "inspired by both mouthwash and dental floss". The mouthwash part was basically the minty taste that pretty much every toothpaste has, but the dental floss part showed an animation of streams of toothpaste magically zooming through the gaps between somebody's teeth and cleaning out the inside.

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Postby SecondTalon » Thu May 16, 2013 3:24 pm UTC

Dason wrote:
gingermrkettle wrote:Oh, and playing music out loud from a phone when other people are present makes you a *insert insult of choice* in all circumstances without exception.

Without exception? You honestly can't imagine a situation where you might want to be able to play sound from your phone when other people are present?


Sound =/= music out loud

I can imagine situations where I would want to make my phone make sounds (ie Video noises) when other people are around.

I cannot imagine a situation where I would want to turn my phone into a boom box when other people are around without putting myself in the position of being a colossal shithead. Both for the previously mentioned noise pollution reasoning, and because I value my phone's battery life too much.
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Postby JudeMorrigan » Thu May 16, 2013 4:36 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:I cannot imagine a situation where I would want to turn my phone into a boom box when other people are around without putting myself in the position of being a colossal shithead. Both for the previously mentioned noise pollution reasoning, and because I value my phone's battery life too much.

I can, but it's *really* specialized. As a ballroom dancer, there have been occassions where I've used my phone for music or seen someone else use their phone for music on a designated practice floor. It's generally pretty clear from context when that would be reasonable and when it would be being obnoxious to the other couples. Even as a dancer though, this is not exactly a routine occurence.

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Postby Magnanimous » Thu May 16, 2013 6:49 pm UTC

Lately I've been really aware of commercials that are just "our thing is good", as opposed to any reason that I should buy your thing. Like, if you want to say "we were voted best thing in place" that's fine, but it doesn't mean much when you say your own thing is worth buying.

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Giant Speck wrote:Their in-store ads have become weird, too. Basically, in their storefront, they have a bunch of ads that are just the Fresh & Easy logo with something fresh "censoring" the "resh" in Fresh, like a bowl of strawberries. I always pretend the ampersand is actually an N, and it's saying "Fuckin' Easy".

Fresh & Easy is about to die off, anyway, or be absorbed by some American company. Tesco couldn't make a profit off of it.

Isn't that the joke? Well, "F'n Easy/effin' easy." I don't know the store, just going by what you both have said. I thought the fact that it sounds/looks like fuck is the point of the ads.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

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Ashlah wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:Their in-store ads have become weird, too. Basically, in their storefront, they have a bunch of ads that are just the Fresh & Easy logo with something fresh "censoring" the "resh" in Fresh, like a bowl of strawberries. I always pretend the ampersand is actually an N, and it's saying "Fuckin' Easy".

Fresh & Easy is about to die off, anyway, or be absorbed by some American company. Tesco couldn't make a profit off of it.

Isn't that the joke? Well, "F'n Easy/effin' easy." I don't know the store, just going by what you both have said. I thought the fact that it sounds/looks like fuck is the point of the ads.

I don't think that was their intent. I think their intent was "Why say 'fresh' when you can show 'fresh'?"

I personally don't mind the store -- in fact, I love their store brand stuff -- but their attempts to advertise are just plain odd.
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RollingHead wrote:I don't know if it's still around, but last year in Italy there was an ad for toothpaste "inspired by both mouthwash and dental floss". The mouthwash part was basically the minty taste that pretty much every toothpaste has, but the dental floss part showed an animation of streams of toothpaste magically zooming through the gaps between somebody's teeth and cleaning out the inside.

That reminds me of way back when I lived close enough to the Canadian border to get some of their stations on an antenna. They used to have these strange ads for Listerine. It featured people in toothbrush, Listerine bottle, and dental floss costumes. For the longest time, the ads were about floss trying to joining the toothbrush/Listerine team-up and being told he wasn't needed because Listerine was just as good as flossing. (For those worried, yes he was eventually allowed to join them)

The part that makes it relevant here is that at the bottom of the screen (long before he joined the team), in not-so-fine print, was: Floss Daily For Good Oral Hygiene. So - wait! - Listerine is just as good as flossing? Makes flossing irrelevant? ... But make sure you floss anyway because it's still needed? I'm guessing this was their way of skirting any truth-in-advertising laws, but still...

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Magnanimous wrote:Lately I've been really aware of commercials that are just "our thing is good", as opposed to any reason that I should buy your thing. Like, if you want to say "we were voted best thing in place" that's fine, but it doesn't mean much when you say your own thing is worth buying.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Giant Speck » Fri May 17, 2013 9:50 pm UTC

Giant Speck wrote:
Ashlah wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:Their in-store ads have become weird, too. Basically, in their storefront, they have a bunch of ads that are just the Fresh & Easy logo with something fresh "censoring" the "resh" in Fresh, like a bowl of strawberries. I always pretend the ampersand is actually an N, and it's saying "Fuckin' Easy".

Fresh & Easy is about to die off, anyway, or be absorbed by some American company. Tesco couldn't make a profit off of it.

Isn't that the joke? Well, "F'n Easy/effin' easy." I don't know the store, just going by what you both have said. I thought the fact that it sounds/looks like fuck is the point of the ads.

I don't think that was their intent. I think their intent was "Why say 'fresh' when you can show 'fresh'?"

I personally don't mind the store -- in fact, I love their store brand stuff -- but their attempts to advertise are just plain odd.

Here's the actual ad, for reference:

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby bigglesworth » Fri May 17, 2013 9:58 pm UTC

The failures of this attempt to get the American market will be taught for the next decade in business schools, I think. They tried so hard.
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Postby Giant Speck » Fri May 17, 2013 10:09 pm UTC

I almost feel sorry for them. There are rumors that Whole Foods has shown interest in buying the chain; I'm interested in seeing how that'll work out.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby The Scyphozoa » Fri May 17, 2013 11:07 pm UTC

If they had only replaced & with n', they might have avoided some grammar criticisms while maintaining the same level of ineffectiveness.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Fire Brns » Fri May 17, 2013 11:33 pm UTC

The Mazda advertising spam is getting to me. "To maintain fuel efficiency without compromising performance we had to redesign everything: Body, suspension, even the wheels." YOU HEAR THAT GUYS!? THEY REINVENTED THE FREAKING WHEEL!!

And to help the matter they were playing the instrumental portions Teenage Wasteland in the background to get the baby boomers and their overrated music appeal.
Then they had all the other requisite not related to car stuff they had to throw in like high jumpers and somehow equating the angle of their jump arc to the line of the wheel well on the car body.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby The Scyphozoa » Sat May 18, 2013 12:33 am UTC

Fire Brns wrote:"To maintain fuel efficiency without compromising performance

maintain = keep the same
not compromise = keep the same

Wooooooow, impressive work here, guys.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby brenok » Sat May 18, 2013 12:38 am UTC

Fire Brns wrote:The Mazda advertising spam is getting to me. "To maintain fuel efficiency without compromising performance we had to redesign everything: Body, suspension, even the wheels." YOU HEAR THAT GUYS!? THEY REINVENTED THE FREAKING WHEEL!!
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To be fair, I'm sure wheels receive a certain part of the design budget, and they do evolve, without having to reinvent it every time.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby pkcommando » Tue May 21, 2013 12:34 pm UTC

I'm not sure if this one counts here --

Everyone's used to getting junk mail addressed to 'Resident' or 'Occupant'. Last night a bank sent me a mailer addressed:

Resident
Or Current Resident

I'm not sure I'm comfortable giving them my money. Unless this means they've worked out time travel. :) Probably not, though. :(

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby phlip » Tue May 21, 2013 1:40 pm UTC

I don't think I've heard of a better opportunity for the "Return to Sender - Not at this address" option.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Menacing Spike » Fri May 24, 2013 12:12 am UTC

pkcommando wrote:Current Resident


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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby K-R » Thu May 30, 2013 5:50 pm UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UE-VxEu0NI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bNLX4VymO4

Imagine putting up with that twice every commercial break. For the second season of the show this year already.

There's a new one, which I can't find, which proclaims 'for the first time on Masterchef...the WORST. DISH. EVER.' I have no idea how that even works.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby eternauta3k » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:44 pm UTC

WORST. DISH. EVER.' I have no idea how that even works.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Fire Brns » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:48 am UTC

Another issue with the Mazda commercial:
"Thomas Edison - inventor of over 1000 patents"
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