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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby astrekmaster » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:11 pm UTC

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bNLX4VymO4

Imagine putting up with that twice every commercial break. For the second season of the show this year already.

Yeah... that advertisement's testing my sanity already. Especially the music score! :x
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby eternauta3k » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:18 pm UTC

Fire Brns wrote:Another issue with the Mazda commercial:
"Thomas Edison - inventor of over 1000 patents"

Where's the douchebaggery in that? Dude was huge.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Krealr » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:36 pm UTC

eternauta3k wrote:
Fire Brns wrote:Another issue with the Mazda commercial:
"Thomas Edison - inventor of over 1000 patents"

Where's the douchebaggery in that? Dude was huge.


My guess:

You don't invent 1000 patents. You patent 1000 inventions.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Tomlidich the second » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:09 pm UTC

DaBigCheez wrote:2) Has as a major thrust "We don't use ingredients you can't pronounce, like polysaturfrappurated lactocrappasorbet", which sounds to me like "Gee Willikers some things have *chemicals*! Chemicals are *bad*!" (Well yeah, you list out the full scientific name for everything and it'll often go over two syllables, get back to me when I should care?)



i know this is jumping backwards a bit, but, you can scare quite a few people by throwing the term
dihydrogen monoxide around.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby lgw » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:18 pm UTC

Tomlidich the second wrote:i know this is jumping backwards a bit, but, you can scare quite a few people by throwing the term
dihydrogen monoxide around.


Always wondered why the meme was "DHMO" and not "Hydrogen Hydroxide" - the latter makes more sense to me, but I guess if you haven't taken chemistry you may still have heard that "something monoxide is scary" so DHMO plays better?
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

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lgw wrote:
Tomlidich the second wrote:i know this is jumping backwards a bit, but, you can scare quite a few people by throwing the term
dihydrogen monoxide around.


Always wondered why the meme was "DHMO" and not "Hydrogen Hydroxide" - the latter makes more sense to me, but I guess if you haven't taken chemistry you may still have heard that "something monoxide is scary" so DHMO plays better?


probably comes from the excessive PSA's about carbon monoxide driving fear into people about anything monoxide related.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby ConMan » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:27 pm UTC

lgw wrote:
Tomlidich the second wrote:i know this is jumping backwards a bit, but, you can scare quite a few people by throwing the term
dihydrogen monoxide around.


Always wondered why the meme was "DHMO" and not "Hydrogen Hydroxide" - the latter makes more sense to me, but I guess if you haven't taken chemistry you may still have heard that "something monoxide is scary" so DHMO plays better?

That, and it's got a nice four letter abbreviation which is also a sign of "oooooh spooky chemicals" whereas HH just makes people think of Hugh Hefner. I'm fond of Hydronium Hydroxide, personally, since that gives a better idea of what's happening at a molecular level (hydroxic acid?).
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:19 am UTC

Krealr wrote:
eternauta3k wrote:
Fire Brns wrote:Another issue with the Mazda commercial:
"Thomas Edison - inventor of over 1000 patents"

Where's the douchebaggery in that? Dude was huge.


My guess:

You don't invent 1000 patents. You patent 1000 inventions.

Well, there's also the whole "He didn't invent shit so much as he paid people who invented stuff, then he slapped his name on it" thing.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby astrekmaster » Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:33 am UTC

ConMan wrote:
lgw wrote:
Tomlidich the second wrote:i know this is jumping backwards a bit, but, you can scare quite a few people by throwing the term
dihydrogen monoxide around.


Always wondered why the meme was "DHMO" and not "Hydrogen Hydroxide" - the latter makes more sense to me, but I guess if you haven't taken chemistry you may still have heard that "something monoxide is scary" so DHMO plays better?

That, and it's got a nice four letter abbreviation which is also a sign of "oooooh spooky chemicals" whereas HH just makes people think of Hugh Hefner. I'm fond of Hydronium Hydroxide, personally, since that gives a better idea of what's happening at a molecular level (hydroxic acid?).


Somewhat related, but I remember seeing this a few years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

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Basically, these people started a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide as a social experiment. People signed it, and didn't even know that they were banning water!
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Fire Brns » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:41 am UTC

Krealr wrote:
eternauta3k wrote:
Fire Brns wrote:Another issue with the Mazda commercial:
"Thomas Edison - inventor of over 1000 patents"

Where's the douchebaggery in that? Dude was huge.


My guess:

You don't invent 1000 patents. You patent 1000 inventions.

Bingo.

And I don't really hate him for slapping his name on stuff he was instrumental in organizing. An analogue to this would be Stan Lee's involvement in Marvel. Oh wait, that's even more obscure and doesn't help at all.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby brenok » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:56 pm UTC

I don't understand the problem. Would it also be wrong to say that Stan Lee was "writer of 1000 comics" because you don't write comics, you write the script, which is then drawn and published?

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Zarq » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:22 pm UTC

You don't invent patents. You write them, or file them, or claim them, or get awarded them, or something. But you don't invent them.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby SurgicalSteel » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:23 pm UTC

Well, somebody invented them once.
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Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:04 am UTC

brenok wrote:I don't understand the problem. Would it also be wrong to say that Stan Lee was "writer of 1000 comics" because you don't write comics, you write the script, which is then drawn and published?

No no, you totally write comics. How much the artist also writes the comic varies based on the writer, but the comic itself is written.

Saying they aren't written is the same as saying film and television isn't written, as there's a script then someone goes out and shoots it.

It's still being written.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Роберт » Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:07 pm UTC

Saying someone invented patents is like saying a music artist wrote a bunch of copyrights.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby tastelikecoke » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:35 pm UTC

I think it sounds apt for Edison to be labeled inventor of over 1000 patents, since he didn't really invent much, and he killed an elephant. That is bad.

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Postby Fire Brns » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:00 pm UTC

That elephant had commited murder and was being put down anyway. Stealing and killing all the neighborhood cats and dogs was bad however.
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Fire Brns wrote:That elephant had commited murder and was being put down anyway. Stealing and killing all the neighborhood cats and dogs was bad however.

>implying abused elephants should be held to the same legal code as non-abused humans, what with the mastery of language and law elephants are known for.
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Fire Brns wrote:That elephant had commited murder and was being put down anyway. Stealing and killing all the neighborhood cats and dogs was bad however.

>implying abused elephants should be held to the same legal code as non-abused humans, what with the mastery of language and law elephants are known for.


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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Fire Brns » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:05 pm UTC

We put down dogs when they nip at a kid who was smacking it. An animal that had killed three people was always going to get death regardless of how innocent or justified it was in the face of abuse.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby The Scyphozoa » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:09 pm UTC

I put my dog down when it (presumably) jumped over the fence to kill the neighbor's dog. We don't have proof that that's what happened, but I doubt that a pit bull mutt could ever be justified killing a pug in the pug's own backyard, and we didn't want to take chances having a dangerous dog around.

Correction: we didn't put her down. We gave her to a correctional facility, who would have put her down if she didn't look promising, and she was cowering and shaking when we dropped her off, so chances weren't too good, but you never know.

The point is, some animals are provoked and justified, and some are actually a little messed up.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Thesh » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:30 pm UTC

I don't think you can be a bigger douchebag than Charles Koch.

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Postby eSOANEM » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:18 pm UTC

The hell?

They give absolutely no source for that graph of economic freedom vs income and no way to find out how they measure freedom. It's completely meaningless. They might as well just write up "what I say is right because reasons".

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby mathmannix » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:45 pm UTC

OK, if you want to be right, then YOU go and make your own sixty-second video. Didn't think so...
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

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eSOANEM wrote:The hell?

They give absolutely no source for that graph of economic freedom vs income and no way to find out how they measure freedom. It's completely meaningless. They might as well just write up "what I say is right because reasons".

*shakes head and walks off*

thats just, like, YOUR OPINION man.....
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

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Tomlidich the second wrote:
eSOANEM wrote:The hell?

They give absolutely no source for that graph of economic freedom vs income and no way to find out how they measure freedom. It's completely meaningless. They might as well just write up "what I say is right because reasons".

*shakes head and walks off*

thats just, like, YOUR OPINION man.....

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Postby morriswalters » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:31 pm UTC

addams wrote:34K makes the top 1%. Really.
Where did they get those numbers?
The question you should ask yourself is how can the truth also be a lie. One percent of 7 billion is 70 million.

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Postby addams » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:15 pm UTC

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addams wrote:34K makes the top 1%. Really.
Where did they get those numbers?
The question you should ask yourself is how can the truth also be a lie. One percent of 7 billion is 70 million.

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morriswalters wrote:
addams wrote:34K makes the top 1%. Really.
Where did they get those numbers?
The question you should ask yourself is how can the truth also be a lie. One percent of 7 billion is 70 million.

Top 1% means top 1% of income, not number of people.
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Postby morriswalters » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:44 pm UTC

Some hints. Where are the people and where is the money?
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Menacing Spike » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:46 pm UTC

You can also "lie" by using awkward wording and letting people form their own, wrong interpretation.

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Postby yurell » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:54 pm UTC

Which is how my LE Drow got away with making misleading statements without actually lying, and so never needing to pass a bluff check :P
In all seriousness, though, I don't think it is a lie — I define a lie as an intentionally untrue statement made with the intent to deceive. Making a true statement with the intent to deceive is 'just' misleading manipulation (which is probably the part we object to most in the lie, tbh).
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Djehutynakht » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:19 am UTC

This is a really old commercial/political ad, but I wanted to throw it out there because it is the greatest thing ever.

Ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo_Ejfc5hW8

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Postby bluebambue » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:01 am UTC

....wow

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Postby Djehutynakht » Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:06 am UTC

I know. It's just great.

"Daisy" Ad blown out of the water.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby PM 2Ring » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:54 pm UTC

Djehutynakht wrote:This is a really old commercial/political ad, but I wanted to throw it out there because it is the greatest thing ever.

Ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo_Ejfc5hW8


It's cute, but it's hard for me to judge it, since I don't have much experience of American political ads.

But somehow it reminded me of this fake ad made back in the early 1980s by Mike Nesmith for NNS.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby yurell » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:23 pm UTC

Does 'financially conservative' literally just mean 'will cut taxes'? That seems to be what they're going on about in the ad
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Tomlidich the second » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:09 pm UTC

yurell wrote:Does 'financially conservative' literally just mean 'will cut taxes'? That seems to be what they're going on about in the ad


its sort of what its devolved into.

the modern republican party will do just about anything if you mention "less taxes"

i have yet to see a political candidate from any party with any sort of solid financial plan, or direction to go. its all become a big fuss over chanting the typical party centric rallying cries.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby GenericAnimeBoy » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:18 pm UTC

Tomlidich the second wrote:the modern republican party will do just about anything if you mention "less taxes"

Just about anything...except treating women like real people. :roll:
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