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Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:53 pm UTC
by Chfan
Great. Now look what you've done. I'm hearing it that way now.

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:28 am UTC
by Random832
SlyReaper wrote:I'd prefer to invent wormholes that you can just step through. Much neater that way, and you don't get the existential uncertainty that the you on the other end is the same you.


You don't get that for normal doors?

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:51 am UTC
by Xeio
Random832 wrote:
SlyReaper wrote:I'd prefer to invent wormholes that you can just step through. Much neater that way, and you don't get the existential uncertainty that the you on the other end is the same you.
You don't get that for normal doors?
You fund me a door that spans a few thousand light years and we'll talk.

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:59 am UTC
by Coffee
That would take a lot of money to fund.

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:13 am UTC
by RoadieRich
Relativity would be an issue as well... how do you build a doorframe a few thousand lightyears wide in a reasonable timeframe without the end leaving the machine faster than the speed of light?

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:53 am UTC
by SlyReaper
RoadieRich wrote:Relativity would be an issue as well... how do you build a doorframe a few thousand lightyears wide in a reasonable timeframe without the end leaving the machine faster than the speed of light?


Easy, cling on to the out-going part of the frame. With relativity, it will only last a few seconds. Of course when you step back through, everyone you know will have been dead for thousands of years.

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:49 pm UTC
by dubsola
gmalivuk wrote:If you're Australian, I would guess that part of the problem is you're simply not aware of how much of your everyday speech is full of Australianisms.

Absolutely. Since moving away from Snakeville I've realised many common words and phrases that are particular to Australia. Case in point:

GraphiteGirl wrote:I use "no worries" disturbingly often.

What about "no wuckers" (from no fuckin' worries / no wuckin' furries)?

Also: "arvo" (for afternoon), and
Peter Galbavy wrote:... and the questioning intonation at the end... ? Or anywhere ... ? mate ... ?

Also known as rising inflection.

There are loads of others which escape me right now.

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:26 pm UTC
by Xeio
Gah, if I'm having problem understanding you, and ask you to repeat something, that doesn't mean I want you to say it in the same speedy poorly pronounced way. That akward pause was your fault!

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:00 pm UTC
by The Scyphozoa
SlyReaper wrote:
The Scyphozoa wrote:Meh, I'd prefer to invent beaming technology. Preferably have it be like Asgard beaming.


I'd prefer to invent wormholes that you can just step through. Much neater that way, and you don't get the existential uncertainty that the you on the other end is the same you.

Stargates still deconstruct you and then reassemble you. They talk about matter "reintegrating", therefore you must be "disintegrating".

Beaming could be used to remove cancer.

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:11 pm UTC
by Levi
The Scyphozoa wrote:
SlyReaper wrote:
The Scyphozoa wrote:Meh, I'd prefer to invent beaming technology. Preferably have it be like Asgard beaming.


I'd prefer to invent wormholes that you can just step through. Much neater that way, and you don't get the existential uncertainty that the you on the other end is the same you.

Stargates still deconstruct you and then reassemble you. They talk about matter "reintegrating", therefore you must be "disintegrating".

Beaming could be used to remove cancer.


But Stargates look so much more AWESOME.

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:18 pm UTC
by gmalivuk
Chfan wrote:I'm aware, but people misuse stuff all the consarn time.

They misuse porn? You mean, they use it for something other than masturbating? Like what?

(Come to think of it, I suppose using mainstream (read: terrible) porn as sex ed would be misusing it...)

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:12 pm UTC
by Whelan
gmalivuk wrote:
Chfan wrote:I'm aware, but people misuse stuff all the consarn time.

They misuse porn? You mean, they use it for something other than masturbating? Like what?

(Come to think of it, I suppose using mainstream (read: terrible) porn as sex ed would be misusing it...)

I assumed he meant people misuse the internet, for something that isn't porn.

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:16 pm UTC
by Chfan
gmalivuk wrote:
Chfan wrote:I'm aware, but people misuse stuff all the consarn time.

They misuse porn? You mean, they use it for something other than masturbating? Like what?

(Come to think of it, I suppose using mainstream (read: terrible) porn as sex ed would be misusing it...)


No, I was referring to the internet. If it's for porn, and you're not using it for porn, then aren't you misusing the internet?

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:31 am UTC
by bigglesworth
gmalivuk wrote:(Come to think of it, I suppose using mainstream (read: terrible) porn as sex ed would be misusing it...)
To be fair, the pictures of vaginas completely spread open by their owners so that you can see all the workings would work better labelled with the anatomy than for titillation (for me, at least).

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:08 pm UTC
by EmptySet
dubsola wrote:
GraphiteGirl wrote:I use "no worries" disturbingly often.

What about "no wuckers" (from no fuckin' worries / no wuckin' furries)?


...people actually say that? Aside from the occasional person who speaks cringeworthy strine?

I haven't heard rising inflection a whole lot, either. It's an English thing, innit?

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:25 pm UTC
by Pez Dispens3r
bigglesworth wrote:
Azrael wrote:(Come to think of it, I suppose using mainstream (read: terrible) porn as sex ed would be misusing it...)
To be fair, the pictures of vaginas completely spread open by their owners so that you can see all the workings would work better labelled with the anatomy than for titillation (for me, at least).

I'm like that as well but then I get titillated again because ZOMG SClENCE.

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:39 pm UTC
by emceng
Pez Dispens3r wrote:
bigglesworth wrote:
SexyTalon wrote:(Come to think of it, I suppose using mainstream (read: terrible) porn as sex ed would be misusing it...)
To be fair, the pictures of vaginas completely spread open by their owners so that you can see all the workings would work better labelled with the anatomy than for titillation (for me, at least).

I'm like that as well but then I get titillated again because ZOMG SClENCE.


Image

You are all weirdos!

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:51 pm UTC
by dubsola
EmptySet wrote:
dubsola wrote:What about "no wuckers" (from no fuckin' worries / no wuckin' furries)?

...people actually say that? Aside from the occasional person who speaks cringeworthy strine?

I haven't heard rising inflection a whole lot, either. It's an English thing, innit?

I've heard people say that on many an occasion.

Rising inflection is not English - innit starts high and goes down. If you don't hear it in Australia, it could be that you're used to it - try leaving for a while, you'll notice it.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:53 am UTC
by lunchtime.samurai
While we're playing insult-an-accent:
American newsreaders just sound stupid.
Half of the males on the BBC sound as if they're about to break down into tears any second now.
A disturbingly high amount of Australians say beecoarse for because, and ehstryne for Australian.

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:18 pm UTC
by the_bandersnatch
dubsola wrote:
EmptySet wrote:I haven't heard rising inflection a whole lot, either. It's an English thing, innit?

I've heard people say that on many an occasion.

Rising inflection is not English - innit starts high and goes down. If you don't hear it in Australia, it could be that you're used to it - try leaving for a while, you'll notice it.


Rising inflection is in English, it just depends on your dialect. Australian, for one, Geordie for another, Brummie and Scouse as well. So when you say it's not in English, it's not in London dialects, sure, but they're no more less representative of "English" than any other accent.

Re: REALLY *fantastic* Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:41 pm UTC
by EmptySet
dubsola wrote:If you don't hear it in Australia, it could be that you're used to it - try leaving for a while, you'll notice it.


I don't know. I don't hear "no wuckers" either, and I'd definitely remember that. Also I talk with people who don't have Australian accents on a regular basis, so I think I'd notice. I mean, it's not uncommon to the extent of being memorable, but I don't think it's something everyone uses, either. It could be a regional thing, I suppose. Or perhaps I tend to speak with people who are too educated and speak Cultivated Australian - I personally have had people assume that I'm English several times because of my cultivated accent, so I may not be typical of those speaking General Australian.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:54 pm UTC
by lunchtime.samurai
You're confusing General Australian and Broad Australian. General Australian is used in ABC news services, and is spoken by 80% of the population. This is where you'll find the rising inflection. Broad Australian is where you get ehstryne, ayres (for hours), youse, and the like. Both Steve Irwin and Paul Hogan use Broad Australian, which tends to rise at the end of statements.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:04 am UTC
by EmptySet
No, I'm not. There are three Australian accents, Cultivated, General, and Broad. Cultivated is associated with the wealthy and highly educated, and sounds somewhat like British Received Pronunciation, aka BBC English. I am doing a postgraduate course at a large university in the inner city. I am therefore more likely than most people to speak with those who have a Cultivated accent due to their level of education and relatively high socio-economic standing. Thus, as I said, my experience may not be typical of those who speak almost exclusively with the General-accented.

Furthermore, according to Wikipedia, in Sydney rising inflection is more than twice as likely to be used by young people, and used more by women then men, thus demonstrating that use of rising inflection is not uniform across the population. It is therefore possible that the commonness of rising inflection may vary depending on region, demographics or other factors, and it may just happen that I hear rising inflection less than other people because it is not as common among the people I interact with.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:42 am UTC
by lunchtime.samurai
Read my entire post before you reply, Emptyset. Thankyou.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:09 pm UTC
by roderik
Misconception:
A person wearing a hat must be either a cowboy or Michael Jackson.

also:
because I take medication on a regular basis it must be Ritalin, and I will sell it to you.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:41 am UTC
by GhostWolfe
roderik wrote:Misconception: A person wearing a hat must be either a cowboy or Yahtzee.
fix'd for the Mana Bar.

/angell

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:27 pm UTC
by The Scyphozoa
Misconception: The theory of evolution was created to undermine religion.

WHAT.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:04 pm UTC
by JayAr
Misconception: America is a democracy....

Wait... what?

EDIT: Yes America is not a democracy even though you vote. It's a little something called a Republic, with a little bit of representative democracy thrown in.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:20 pm UTC
by You, sir, name?
Civilized people don't use "suction" as a verb.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:36 pm UTC
by Lazar
Your family's name got changed at Ellis Island. No it didn't. Your great-great-grandfather most likely anglicized the spelling after he got here to fit in better.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:40 pm UTC
by Sir_Elderberry
JayAr wrote:Misconception: America is a democracy....

Wait... what?

EDIT: Yes America is not a democracy even though you vote. It's a little something called a Republic, with a little bit of representative democracy thrown in.

We've been over this. America is a democracy as per "demos" (people) + cracy (rule)--it is ruled by its people. America is a republic, as it has a non-hereditary ruler in the president. You can be both.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:58 pm UTC
by The Scyphozoa
You, sir, name? wrote:Civilized people don't use "suction" as a verb.

Depends what you mean by civilized. If by civilized you mean they don't use certain words that may be considered taboo, they will use the verb "suction". If by civilized you mean that they use correct grammar, then they would use the verb "suck".

But imagine if this was acceptable for any word. "The bus will transportation you to your workplace."

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:02 am UTC
by You, sir, name?
The Scyphozoa wrote:
You, sir, name? wrote:Civilized people don't use "suction" as a verb.

Depends what you mean by civilized. If by civilized you mean they don't use certain words that may be considered taboo, they will use the verb "suction". If by civilized you mean that they use correct grammar, then they would use the verb "suck".

But imagine if this was acceptable for any word. "The bus will transportation you to your workplace."


The problem is that there aren't enough potentially taboo words floating around that people are aware of. The world would be better if people knew their toilet had a ballcock. If instead of "flush" the lever said "open the ballcock valve", people wouldn't worry so much about "suck"ing.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:39 am UTC
by The Scyphozoa

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:45 pm UTC
by EmptySet
Sir_Elderberry wrote:
JayAr wrote:Misconception: America is a democracy....

Wait... what?

EDIT: Yes America is not a democracy even though you vote. It's a little something called a Republic, with a little bit of representative democracy thrown in.

We've been over this. America is a democracy as per "demos" (people) + cracy (rule)--it is ruled by its people. America is a republic, as it has a non-hereditary ruler in the president. You can be both.


This reminds of when the Australian government was thinking of introducing an examination for people wanting to become citizens. One of the questions was about what form of government Australia used, with one option being "democracy" and another being "monarchy". They claimed that "democracy" was the only correct answer, despite the fact that Australia is a constitutional monarchy.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:47 pm UTC
by You, sir, name?
EmptySet wrote:
Sir_Elderberry wrote:
JayAr wrote:Misconception: America is a democracy....

Wait... what?

EDIT: Yes America is not a democracy even though you vote. It's a little something called a Republic, with a little bit of representative democracy thrown in.

We've been over this. America is a democracy as per "demos" (people) + cracy (rule)--it is ruled by its people. America is a republic, as it has a non-hereditary ruler in the president. You can be both.


This reminds of when the Australian government was thinking of introducing an examination for people wanting to become citizens. One of the questions was about what form of government Australia used, with one option being "democracy" and another being "monarchy". They claimed that "democracy" was the only correct answer, despite the fact that Australia is a constitutional monarchy.


Most modern monarchies don't really govern, though. They adorn post-stamps, cut ribbons and waste taxpayer money. The actual governing is done by a democratic system.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 1:28 am UTC
by EmptySet
You, sir, name? wrote:Most modern monarchies don't really govern, though. They adorn post-stamps, cut ribbons and waste taxpayer money. The actual governing is done by a democratic system.


...are you suggesting that elected politicians don't cut ribbons and waste taxpayer money? Plus if we're going into silly semantic arguments about who does "actual governing", what about the many thousands of unelected government employees who research policy, write up project plans, carry out government projects, etc. etc. etc.? No government services or projects would even get off the ground were it not for them.

Also, although the monarchy may not be directly involved in policy decisions, the monarch is still the head of state and holds executive power, as was demonstrated in the Dismissal, when Gough Whitlam was booted out of office by the Queen's representative.

In any event, regardless of who actually handles day-to-day operations, Australia is officially a monarchy. It doesn't matter if the Queen is mostly a figurehead; she is still the head of state and still wields executive power, even if she does not typically use it.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 4:17 am UTC
by JayAr
Honestly I think most countries which elect leaders are videocracy, and logocracy.

Videocracy in short is where people are in power by how well they look.

Logocracy in short (again, I would love to speak more on government but where is the thread?) is where people are in power by how well they word things.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 6:10 am UTC
by Rakysh
EmptySet wrote:Plus if we're going into silly semantic arguments about who does "actual governing", what about the many thousands of unelected government employees who research policy, write up project plans, carry out government projects, etc. etc. etc.? No government services or projects would even get off the ground were it not for them.

Bureaucracy. Rule by the desk.

ALSO we've certainly got a mon, but whether she does any arching is debatable. It takes more than just the existence of the Queen to make it a monarchy. Is the theory, anyway.

Re: REALLY Annoying Misconceptions

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 2:57 am UTC
by JayAr
Alright, some southern US family came over, and well they didn't know anything about Islam even though they bashed it repeatedly. It annoys me. I have been noticing this more and more that people don't know WTF they are talking about. The fact that they didn't know that they (mainstream christians for the south) and Islamic followers shared the same god and similar beliefs (in plenty respects). It was angering. This is a misconception and I don't know how common it is.