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Postby Quixotess » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:42 pm UTC

This is fairly obvious. And yet it is deteriorating.

What can be done about it?

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Postby sophyturtle » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:44 pm UTC

I realized that high school curriculum has changed a lot since i was there. I am researching it right now actually and I plan on becoming a pain in people's butts so I can help change it to make it better (write letters and things, submit reports on what would work better) but then I maybe want to be a teacher soon...
Also, I spent some time contacting my governor (calling his office, writing emails, signing petitions and sharing all such opportunities with people I know) to express my rage at the abstinence only programs we had here in Mass for a while. I was shocked really. And the lady on the phone was confused about why I was calling. She actually seemed proud when she found me the report about how they fully supported abstinence only education and seemed surprised when I got a little angry explaining that is exactly what my problem was.
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Postby Insignificant Deifaction » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:47 pm UTC

@Quixotess: Unfortunately, as far as I have been able to tell, feminism has been with us for a long time, yet we are still experiencing a decline, after the boost. Something needs to be done about this situation.

I wouldn't say feminism is down and out for the count, but it needs help.
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Postby Quixotess » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:05 pm UTC

You will receive no argument from me on that front.

Of course, I believe that the solution is more feminism.
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Postby parkaboy » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:12 pm UTC

*derails current topic*

I bought skirts today ^__^ Alas, I have no camera. Rest assured though; they are very cute.
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Postby MoonBuggy » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:14 pm UTC

NB: I am well aware that I am intruding upon your thread and you are all thus well within your rights to throw heavy objects at me, should you so choose.

Is it really a matter of needing feminism rather than plain old common sense? I know it's the woman who is potentially more affected by the lack of education (since she's the one that might end up with a child inside her, obviously), but is it really likely that they don't want to allow sex education due to some kind of anti-feminist craziness rather than moralistic anti-sex-in-general craziness?

Or maybe I've missed a point somewhere...

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Postby Jessica » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:39 pm UTC

parkaboy wrote:*derails current topic*

I bought skirts today ^__^ Alas, I have no camera. Rest assured though; they are very cute.

yay! Cute skirts are awesome!
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Postby Quixotess » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:59 pm UTC

Well, it was a little tongue in cheek, but the idea is to empower women to make the reproductive decisions that are best for them through education, and access to safe health care. This is often the first and most important thing we try to do for third-world countries where women's rights are much worse than here--educating women on how to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and of course in order to do that we also need women be allowed to make those decisions. This simple thing has effects on so many other areas of life you would not believe--poverty, pollution, disease, overpopulation...

In first-world nations, meanwhile, we need to concentrate on not only education, but making sure that all of the necessary care is safe, affordable, private, and accessible. This is why PP is such a godsend. We also need to further educate women on their rights in a relationship, that they can say no, etc., and preferably more and better rape/consent education. Information on crisis hotlines for everything from abuse to suicide to drugs to pregnancy should be available everywhere. It's a combination of giving women the education they need to make the decisions that are best for them and the resources for them to act on those decisions.

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Postby Sebeka2 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:30 pm UTC

@MoonBuggy

Lack of/bad information about reproductive health leads to lack of/bad information about women's health in general. Several women in this thread, myself included, have been prescribed birth control pills for non-contraceptive reasons at some point in our lives, but propositions like the one in the link would make it difficult and expensive to fill them (and expose us to privacy-shredding explanations about "why" we need an "abortion pill"), and the cost is to our (women's) health.

There's also the idea that people are trying to control the sexual activity of their children (male and female) by writing legislation controlling their daughters' bodies. Not their sons' (as mentioned, Viagra is still covered by health insurance), just the women. It sounds melodramatic, but our bodies are being used as the fighting ground for legislation about reproductive health, sexual activity, medical privacy laws, and how much information we're "allowed" to know at certain ages. Deliberately obfuscating information (like redefining abortion) is worse -- we are setting ourselves up for a generation of women who have inaccurate information about their own bodies, aren't sure where to find accurate information without exposing themselves to embarassment or shame, are unable to follow doctor instructions for meds, and have to ask for permission from politicians before acting to promote their own health and desires over the moral concerns of someone unrelated to them.

Reading this over, I sound over the top, too serious and handmaid's tale-y, but oh well. I'm tired today and that means wordy. :0) Legislation regarding sex-ed, sexual activity, surgeries, medicines, records-sharing, insurance, and ability to travel to address those things encompases more ideals than just feminism. Common sense, as you said, is a major factor, as is privacy, doctor-patient relationships, money, etc -- but it's good to remember that discussion about feminism can be relevant, too.
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Postby MoonBuggy » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:09 pm UTC

Thank you for the explanations - there are a lot of indirect links that I would have probably failed to make myself.

It's rather saddening how much of an impact a bunch of people with some kind of ingrained problem with sex can have, really. Even putting aside all that you've both explained, I can understand what logic they possibly think they're working on.
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Postby Jessica » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:04 pm UTC

My certificate of my name change came in the mail yesterday.

yay!!!
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Jessica wrote:My certificate of my name change came in the mail yesterday.

yay!!!

Congrats, Jessica!
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Postby poxic » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:02 am UTC

Jessica wrote:My certificate of my name change came in the mail yesterday.

yay!!!


Yay Jessica! One small step for a woman, one giant leap for ... the same woman. :D

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Postby vqcg » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:47 am UTC

Jessica wrote:My certificate of my name change came in the mail yesterday.

yay!!!

congratulations :)
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Postby Mmmm, Pi » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:54 am UTC

Jessica wrote:My certificate of my name change came in the mail yesterday.

yay!!!

Wo0t, now Jessica is officially called Jessica!

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Postby hestia » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:49 pm UTC

I finally bought a moon cup today. I am excited to give it a shot, I hope it works out, I hate buying tampons.

Oh and PS, as I was writing this my hubby walked into the office and asked when was the last time I made him a sandwich and started pouting. I laughed at him and told him to make me my sandwich though it is not looking like I will win this sandwich argument at present. :lol:
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Postby Durinthal » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:48 am UTC

And she failed to remember the magic word to get me to make her a sandwich, so she had to make it herself. But she's learning. I hope. And she's sitting next to me watching me type this. Go to bed already!
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Postby DJorgensen » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:23 am UTC

Jessica wrote:My certificate of my name change came in the mail yesterday.

yay!!!

uh I is late, but YAAAAAAAAAAAY! <333333 :3

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Postby Cassi » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:07 am UTC

Today is day 11 of being on the pill. I am still getting spotting. Gah. Shark Week was longer than usual, and there's been some blood pretty much every day since. I know that I need to wait for my body to get used to the pill before this is really a worry, but it's still fucking annoying.
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Postby vqcg » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:14 am UTC

I am so, so ill. Throwing up, and diarrhea, and AWFUL AWFUL cramps. I don't think it's just PMS or anything. Off work today, I didn't know if I could do the commute without throwing up in my car. And the sudden cramping could quite possibly cause me to crash or something

In the woman thread because the cramping and sickness is making the illogical part of my brain scream "nooo no babies plz". I know I am probably just ill, but the boy saying to me on the phone this morning "aww, my poor baby ... feel better soon. Wait, it's not morning sickness, is it?!" didn't help :P . On cerazette, though, it seems impossible to work out when a pregnancy test would show a true result, so I'm just waiting it out for now. I've got to stop being so paranoid. I'M JUST ILL DAMMIT.
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Postby Moo » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:17 am UTC

I don't think pregnancy causes diarrhea, if it's any concellation :) I hope you feel better soon!

You too Cassi, I'm sure it gets better after the first period on the pill.
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Postby vqcg » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:20 am UTC

Moo wrote:I don't think pregnancy causes diarrhea, if it's any concellation :) I hope you feel better soon!

You too Cassi, I'm sure it gets better after the first period on the pill.

thanks, Moo. I am just really ill and it's making me both grouchy and paranoid!
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Postby Cassi » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:24 am UTC

I know as the possible side effects go, it's really not that bad, and it is quite likely to not be an issue after another month or so, but it's just annoying. Not enough blood to be worth pads and I don't want to bother buying pantyliners, so I keep just getting spots of blood on my underwear. Which does come out in the wash, but still, it's a pain.
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Postby Moo » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:39 am UTC

Wow I suck at spelling :oops:
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Postby Aylology » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:17 pm UTC

Please stop me and point me in the direction of the appropriate page if this has been discussed before, but there are 200-odd pages of discussion!

argyl3 wrote:...but disgusting girly things. Like unshaven legs...


I'm curious as to how you meant this? Do you actually think unshaven legs are disgusting on girls? Or was that meant to be from boy's perspective?
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Postby Moo » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:21 pm UTC

I'm sure it was meant from some boys and even some girls' point of view but there are many girls here who don't do the shaving thing - and I don't think argyl meant she finds it disgusting - it's been discussed several times so I couldn't tell you where but the search function might? If you have a personal story to share go ahead though.
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Postby Aylology » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:23 pm UTC

Thanks, Moo. I highly doubt(ed) that that was the intention, and I tried to make my question as non-aggressive as possible. I will attempt to use the search function to see if it's in there somewhere, though I'm sure it is.

On that note, I'm curious if anybody here knows where to find information regarding why women started shaving? What I was told, and seems to be corroborated by a few conversations with random people is that women started doing it because once laws were passed that dissallowed men from marrying 12/13 year old girls, adult women felt (for whatever reason, self-invented or suggested by men) that they were unattractive to men and so shaved so that they would have that prepubescent look that the men (supposedly) wanted. As far as I know this started as an American thing, and most european countries did not do this until recently, when americanization started spreading. (My mother grew up in germany and they never shaved, and that's how I was raised over here in Canada.) It makes SENSE to me, but that doesn't mean it's true. And I can see how it could morph from that to being explained in terms of hygiene (albeit I little hypocritically as men don't shave their armpits for hygiene? Just wash them, ladies, and ta-da! Hygiene! I wash mine multiple times a day, and no B.O. problems, either!)

I haven't actually seen any documentation regarding this. My boyfriend's best friend just graduated with her degree in Women's Studies and Sociology, so I am going to ask her if she can possibly point me in the right direction re: research and documentation, but I'm just wondering if anybody else knows where I might be able to find that kind of research? Or where I might look? (like, what Journals might exist that may be helpful.)
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Postby Sebeka2 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:18 pm UTC

I found a history of hair removal on the internet. In short, it blames fashion magazines in the early 20th century for this and also the modern popularity of makeup. I don't know if I'd like to lay everything at the feet of Ladies Home Journal, but it's an interesting article.
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Postby H.E.L.e.N. » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:21 pm UTC

Aylology wrote:Please stop me and point me in the direction of the appropriate page if this has been discussed before, but there are 200-odd pages of discussion!

argyl3 wrote:...but disgusting girly things. Like unshaven legs...


I'm curious as to how you meant this? Do you actually think unshaven legs are disgusting on girls? Or was that meant to be from boy's perspective?


Not to be redundant, but I think the idea was to talk about things that aren't really discussed in "polite" company but happen to girls in real life. Like hairy legs and messy chunky periods.

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Postby parkaboy » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:38 pm UTC

So, a while back we discussed liking make-up because its fun to color on people. I'm starting cosmetology school in 2 weeks. I'm actually rather excited about it. I still think makeup is a pain in the ass, but getting to treat people like giant dolls is just fun. Being paid to do it is even better. I almost feel bad because I'm entering a profession that solely relies on people's vanity to sustain itself and I don't really fit into or agree with that kind of lifestyle...

I just want to color on people and make them happy.
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Postby H.E.L.e.N. » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:40 pm UTC

Awesome.

That is also how I feel about makeup. Not necessary, but coloring? Coloring is fun!

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Postby Jessica » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:59 pm UTC

Yay Parka!
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Postby cecikierk » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:07 pm UTC

Aylology wrote:On that note, I'm curious if anybody here knows where to find information regarding why women started shaving?


Well not every woman need to shave (myself for example) or care to shave, and I don't really believe everything we do is some conspiracy against feminism.

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Postby shinybaby » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:13 pm UTC

i don't know much about the history of hair removal, especially from a specifically female or feminist perspective, but i was at the ROM (Royal Ontario Museum) not that long ago and found an interesting tidbit of information: in Ancient Egypt, the men at least (and perhaps both sexes, i don't honestly remember if it said) removed all of their body hair. an additional citation.
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Postby Mitora » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:39 pm UTC

So I started on the light blue pills last night (White to light blue, then normal blue then sugar pill green). So far no side affects other than the fact that my skin is clearing up. Freaking Awesome.
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Postby hermaj » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:31 am UTC

I have hairy legs at the moment but I don't like it much. I am just gearing up to have them waxed. (I don't think I want to use the epilator again. :P)

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Postby GhostWolfe » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:38 am UTC

Yeah, I'm trying to psych myself up to get the epilator out again... I was working on just doing part of the leg at a time and starting the process again when the regrowth came through, but I've gotten kinda behind because of lack of time and not enjoying ripping my hairs out at the roots with a high-speed device.

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Postby Lutetium » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:56 am UTC

I shave a day before I decide to show leg. Which is very rare. I don't know, I just don't like my legs - they looks all veiny and weird.

When I started growing underarm hair, I plucking them out because they irritated my skin. So I never got the full fuzz-ball underarms. Now I just need to pluck like 5 hairs our each arm per month and I'm good as new. So lucky, if I (ever) have a girl I'll tell her to do the same. Am I weird?
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Postby GhostWolfe » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:19 am UTC

Lutetium wrote:I shave a day before I decide to show leg.

I never shave under any circumstances. You can deal with my gorilla legs, I'm not suffering through days of infernal itching (my legs become all red, bumpy, and itchy as hell as the hairs start to grow again - that, and shaving never gets a smooth result on my legs, always stubble, within hours). Hence why I'm trying the epilator.

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Postby 3fj » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:25 am UTC

Thought this may contribute:

I have a scar were i got waxed on the fly whilst wearing shorts. I have a whole new respect for leg waxery.
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