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Dark Souls 3

Postby You, sir, name? » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:43 am UTC

It's here. It's good.

Ok, I've only played about six hours, but so far I'm loving the hell out of it!
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Drumheller769 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:53 am UTC

So far I'm really enjoying it. Although, due to what I hope is out of date graphics drivers, Ive been having really low FPS, 10-20 is the average.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Obby » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:58 am UTC

This game is, I think, harder than both previous iterations. I lost 11k souls because I got too aggressive on the basic enemies, but the bosses that I've faced (2 of them so far) you kind of have to be super aggressive to make the fights manageable.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby You, sir, name? » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:13 pm UTC

Really? I've found it on par with DS1 (if perhaps with a slightly steeper learning curve), and far easier than DS2 since the autotracking and anti-backstab nonsense is gone, and rolling is good again.

But I guess it may depend on how you play. I played axe and shield until I got a broadsword, which currently serves as my ersatz BKS.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby You, sir, name? » Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:23 pm UTC

So you find a hidden location inside a somewhat off-the-beaten path location, that after a lot of fighting gives you a piece of decent loot. But then you look around and find a ledge that you could maybe jump to. Although the fighting has left you with A LOT of souls so you ask yourself whether it's a good idea. History doesn't remember a coward, you figure, and jump. You make it. Alright, inside of this location there's a second jumping puzzle that's even scarier. You make it again. Sweet, even more loot. Just as you're about to exit this super hidden location, you roll through a few randomly placed barrels and find an EVEN BETTER piece of loot.

I love this game.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Izawwlgood » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:09 pm UTC

One thing I disliked about DS1 was how difficult it was to make a magic build. You needed to find some special ring that regen'd SP or something. Are other build options more viable now?
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Drumheller769 » Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:48 am UTC

Magic is mana based now, not charge based. You can now toggle your estus flasks to either regen mana, or health. I cant speak for spell damage or ability to cast in combat, but it seem like you have more options for how much casting you can do now.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Obby » Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:16 pm UTC

You, sir, name? wrote:Really? I've found it on par with DS1 (if perhaps with a slightly steeper learning curve), and far easier than DS2 since the autotracking and anti-backstab nonsense is gone, and rolling is good again.

But I guess it may depend on how you play. I played axe and shield until I got a broadsword, which currently serves as my ersatz BKS.


I might just suck.

I take that back, I definitely suck. But it's still a great game.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby You, sir, name? » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:37 pm UTC

I it's usually fruitful to change your approach if you find the game is very hard. Try another weapon, perhaps? Or maybe you're in the wrong area.

If you go after very aggressive enemies (especially dual wielders and knights) with a sword, you need god-tier parrying. Or you can use a halberd and take the most magnificent shits all over them.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Obby » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:02 pm UTC

Yeah, I tend to just stick to one weapon at a time for most parts. I tend to switch based on what looks cool and what I like using, rather than based on the enemies. Hence, why I suck.

Though truthfully the only enemies (including bosses) I've had any kind of trouble against have been

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those stupid half-tree half-demon things in the Farron swamps that jump on top of you and suck your essence out to make themselves stronger. And the dual-wielding phantoms in the cathedral graveyards that attack really really fast with very little cooldown and cause bleeding.


I only spoilered that because some people want to play completely blind. It's a generic enemy description with reference to two zones, not a boss fight.

In actually-spoiler boss news: (boss #6)

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Holy crap that Abyss Watchers fight. That was amazing. The mechanics, the lore behind it all, the animations, the art style. Easily one of my top 3 favorite fights in the whole series. Incredible. I want to go back and get summoned to do that fight again.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Breakfast » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:24 pm UTC

Obby wrote:In actually-spoiler boss news: (boss #6)

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Holy crap that Abyss Watchers fight. That was amazing. The mechanics, the lore behind it all, the animations, the art style. Easily one of my top 3 favorite fights in the whole series. Incredible. I want to go back and get summoned to do that fight again.


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Abyss Watchers made me rage so hard until I finally beat them. I was shouting and proclaiming how much bullshit they were. Had to put the controller down many times so I didn't throw it.

After I beat them I was like, "yeah, that was fair and I just sucked for awhile." It's a very fun fight that is like Maria from Bloodborne except you don't have a fancy, zippy-fast dodge.

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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Drumheller769 » Mon May 02, 2016 11:57 am UTC

Damn...this game just got hard.

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Pontiff Knights on Boreal Valley....wow these guys seem to have infinite stamina/poise.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Obby » Mon May 02, 2016 2:55 pm UTC

Drumheller769 wrote:Damn...this game just got hard.

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Pontiff Knights on Boreal Valley....wow these guys seem to have infinite stamina/poise.


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You can stagger them. It seems to take about 5 hits with my longsword to do it, though it doesn't get you much since by that time you're mostly out of stamina and can't take advantage of the stagger.

I found that rushing him when he starts to summon his phantom and just unloading seems to take the phantom down to a much more manageable level, so it only takes 1 or 2 more hits to kill it. If you knock it out fast enough you can have a nice chunk of time where he own't get summoned again.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby You, sir, name? » Tue May 03, 2016 12:24 am UTC

I did it!

Beat the game, that is. Phew.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby felltir » Sat May 07, 2016 7:07 pm UTC

How are people finding NG+?

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I'm finding it so easy. I've got past crystal sage and I'm not even dead 5 times yet.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Obby » Mon May 09, 2016 11:31 am UTC

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It's extremely easy. They didn't do anything interesting, they just made enemies have a little more HP and damage. No new phantoms, no new positions, bosses haven't gotten new moves or different timings. The only reason to do NG+ or higher is to get +1/+2 versions of the rings and maybe for the bragging rights if you care about that sort of thing. Running through the game with a fresh character is MUCH harder than with a NG+ character. The estus flask limits in the early game is probably the most punishing part.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby HES » Mon May 09, 2016 12:46 pm UTC

Obby wrote:Running through the game with a fresh character is MUCH harder than with a NG+ character.

Isn't that the case with most games?
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Obby » Mon May 09, 2016 1:51 pm UTC

HES wrote:
Obby wrote:Running through the game with a fresh character is MUCH harder than with a NG+ character.

Isn't that the case with most games?

I found it more challenging in DS2, personally. The changing enemies, new phantoms, and twerked movesets made for a nice change of pace and gave a reason to do NG+ runs, I think. Not that I did multiple runs - DS2 was my least favorite Souls game - but it did some things better than DS1 and that was one of them in my opinion. I'm just a bit disappointed it didn't return for DS3.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby emceng » Mon May 16, 2016 5:40 pm UTC

I like 3 better than 2. One thing I really disliked about 2 was that the world was non-contiguous. I love that about 1 and 3.

Toughness - I am finding bosses much harder than 2. Of the bosses I've beaten, I had to summon help for most of them. I beat every boss in 1 without summoning. I mean maybe I just need to grind some levels, but didn't feel the need in previous games. I also have found what may be a bug. An incredibly useful bug.

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Hidden body doesn't break when you attack. So for nearly every mimic, I've just gone hidden, bashed it a few times, run away. It resets, and repeat. The mimics seem tougher than previous games, but this makes that incredibly easy.

Similarly, much, much easier to run past enemies. There have been a few spots that I just used hidden body and skipped killing guys because it was easier. Or the mouth worm things in Profaned Capital. Same thing, hidden body, attack, run, recast.


Magic build - it's good, magic is strong against most enemies. Just can't seem to get it to be worth a damn against bosses. Soul Spear takes a ton of mana, and you're going to have to have about 8 mana flasks to even come close to taking out a boss with that(I'm at 35 INT right now).

Two things are also a bit disappointing. 1) it seems more linear. Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but in 1 especially it felt like there were almost always a few directions to try and go after the initial area. In 3, I don't think I've had more than 2 paths really at all. 2) Fewer bosses. It feels like there are fewer bosses, or maybe just way more content before I get to bosses. I've got...maybe 30 hours into the game, and have dropped maybe 8-10 bosses.

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Stuck right now. I'm at Aldrich(really liked how they brought Anor Londo back). Tried her about a half dozen times, and basically get one shotted if she touches me. Same thing with the Dancer. And I think those are the only two directions I can go. As far as I know, I've done everything else up to this point. Only two empty thrones left, Aldrich and the center one.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby You, sir, name? » Mon May 16, 2016 7:16 pm UTC

emceng wrote:
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Stuck right now. I'm at Aldrich(really liked how they brought Anor Londo back). Tried her about a half dozen times, and basically get one shotted if she touches me. Same thing with the Dancer. And I think those are the only two directions I can go. As far as I know, I've done everything else up to this point. Only two empty thrones left, Aldrich and the center one.


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Aldrich is pretty easy as long as you don't get greedy. All his attacks are very well choreographed and pretty easy to avoid if you do just that. Priority #1 is avoiding his spells, only go for an attack if there is an opportunity.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Obby » Tue May 17, 2016 12:26 pm UTC

emceng wrote:
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Stuck right now. I'm at Aldrich(really liked how they brought Anor Londo back). Tried her about a half dozen times, and basically get one shotted if she touches me. Same thing with the Dancer. And I think those are the only two directions I can go. As far as I know, I've done everything else up to this point. Only two empty thrones left, Aldrich and the center one.

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As YSN says, don't overextend yourself on attacking. The biggest threat, by far, is his arrow attack in the second phase of the fight (it lasts much longer than in the first phase and seems to have a 50/50 shot at tracking you or randomly moving around the room, so it's much harder to predict). He really opens himself up after his melee attacks, so if you can bait those by being within melee range he won't use his spells quite as often, and you can punish a little after the melee attack.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby emceng » Tue May 17, 2016 10:35 pm UTC

I beat him last night after lots and lots and lots of swearing. It wasn't the arrows that were the problem, but his soul spear. It would drop me every time. In 30+ attempts, I maybe was able to dodge it 3 times. And all the online guides were like "easily dodge his soul spear". Yeah, except I couldn't. Ended up summoning people a bunch and dying, then watched a youtube guide and finally beat him with a summon and using those suggestions. So now have Dancer, and whatever got opened up from beating that guy.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby You, sir, name? » Tue May 17, 2016 10:41 pm UTC

That's weird. How did you try to dodge it? Are you fatrolling or something?
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby emceng » Wed May 18, 2016 1:58 pm UTC

I didn't get a chance. Every time it hit me before I even had a chance to roll, and I'm at maybe 50% load. It was 'he makes a move', blam, I'm hit. It wasn't like hey, I can see he's doing the arrow thing, time to get out of the way. It was I'd guess 1 second or less between the animation, and the soul spear coming right at me.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Drumheller769 » Wed May 18, 2016 2:11 pm UTC

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If you stick on top of him the whole fight he never casts it. When he disappears he almost always comes back up in the opposite corner, so just sprint there.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby emceng » Wed May 18, 2016 5:39 pm UTC

Drumheller769 wrote:
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If you stick on top of him the whole fight he never casts it. When he disappears he almost always comes back up in the opposite corner, so just sprint there.


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Yeah, the opposite corner thing was the difference when I beat him. Learned that from Youtube. Previous attempts with summons got him to the second stage, but when he'd disappear, he'd nail me while I was trying to get back to him, or pop a flask.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby emceng » Mon May 23, 2016 4:49 pm UTC

Frustrated with summoning. Seems like it's bugged. When working I can summon people right away. When bugged, I touch a sign, it says summoning, then I wait about 3 minutes, and it fails. It's consistent too - when bugged, the only thing I can do is give up on summoning. I can try 100 signs and it won't work.

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Realized I hadn't finished an area. Managed to run past the big snake thing, to a bonfire. Fought through that area to stop the damned ballista, then fought the Old Demon King. By far the easiest boss fight I've had so far. Took only one attempt. I used...dangit, the poison spell. The sorcery, not the pyromancy. creeping something? Whatever it is called. Used that, and kept backing away. Won with zero of either flask left, but I beat him.

It was nice. Just unhappy because now I really do think I'm stuck until I beat the Dancer - and I want to freaking summon someone to help me.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby You, sir, name? » Mon May 23, 2016 5:44 pm UTC

RE: emceng's last spoiler

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Just give Dancer a very wide berth and play very cautiously, and go in for an attack only when there's an opening. That way she goes down relatively painlessly. She's not very good at closing distances.

I think the grab is the most dangerous in phase 1, and for phase 2 I just stayed wayy back while she did her blade tornado thing and then attacked when she was done.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby emceng » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:35 pm UTC

Still playing, still somewhat enjoying it. A few things are making me unhappy.

First, I don't like that every freaking boss has a 'stage two'. Previous games just had bosses that were bosses. Fight them, done. With the two stage fights I'm many times getting bored with the first half, and frustrated with the second. Crystal sage and Abyss Watchers are good examples. With my new character, I can get through the first stages easily. Maybe once in a while get bad luck and die, but usually no issue. But I spend 5 minutes+ on the first part of Abyss Watchers, then die in 30 seconds in the second stage. Don't get to try out a new strategy, or practice dodging moves. Have to wait through an interminable pre-fight.

I also am finding the difficulty annoying with bosses, and mainly for the same reason. I blast through the rest of the game with only a few spots giving me trouble, then hit a wall with bosses. I think I've only killed 2-3 without summoning help. I beat DS1 without summoning a single time. Hell, I got platinum on DS1, and on my last playthrough only summoned for Smough and Ornstein so I could kill Smough first.

So yeah, just a bit frustrated. Still like the game, but haven't enjoyed boss fights nearly as much.

Edit: oh yeah, found one other annoying/weird thing. Soul spear is terrible. Compared it to Great Soul arrow against dragonslayer armor. Difference in damage was maybe 10%. Mana cost difference is like 50%? Maybe even higher. Plus soul spear's casting time is longer. So overall it is a much, much suckier spell. Am I missing something?
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby emceng » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:24 am UTC

Further study - soul spear is dreadful. I don't recall the exact numbers, but against guys in the archives great soul arrow did like 236, and soul spear 226. And that's for I think almost 3 times the mana. What the hell?
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby emceng » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:30 pm UTC

I think those numbers were reversed - soul spear does slightly more damage, at the cost of way, way more mana.

Anyway, the more I play the less I am enjoying 3. That is primarily due to the bosses. I really don't like the two phase system. I'm making it through the non-boss areas if not easily at least I can push through them eventually. Then I get stuck. Dancer, Abyss Watcher, Sulyvahn, Lothric, etc. It feels like 10 minutes spent getting to the second phase, and then most times dying very quickly. Hell, same thing with Bordt at the beginning of the game. Learn the first part well enough, work through it, then second part comes along, he charges, and if you don't get out of the way it's basically stun-lock-dead.

I know I was frustrated with bosses in previous games. Capra Demon was a huge pain when I first encountered him. Sanctuary Guardian, Sif, Ornstein and Smough, all annoyed me, but I never got the same annoyance with the game in general. DS2 had god awful bosses too(like that fire furnace guy), but again, I never got the same frustration with the game in general. In 2 there were things I didn't like, but I could still eventually make progress.

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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Drumheller769 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:36 pm UTC

Yea, it seemed like they just went for a "shake and add fire" recipe to make all the bosses "interesting". Also, huuuuuuuge hitboxes on all boss attacks.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby MooseBeer » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:53 am UTC

I haven't played Demon Souls, nor any of the Dark Souls. I tested Dark Souls 3 for the very first time last week and found it surprisingly addictive. Got utterly destroyed but kept on going. In the past, I have given Bloodborne on the Playstation 4 a try after renting the console but found it too difficult so I gave up after 10 hours.

I have an Xbox One console and consider perhaps buying Dark Souls 3 for it but unsure if it is too difficult, just like with Bloodborne.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Drumheller769 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:49 am UTC

Yea, for your first play through, caution is helpful. I would also say that DS3 is a bit slower paced than BB, but faster than DS1/2/DesS.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby MooseBeer » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:37 pm UTC

Drumheller769 wrote:Yea, for your first play through, caution is helpful. I would also say that DS3 is a bit slower paced than BB, but faster than DS1/2/DesS.


I found the game online on sale so I think I am going to take the plunge and order it. Worst case scenario I can come back here for help if stuck. I tested another demo when renting the PS4, a game of some sorts called Nioh, which played similarly to Dark Souls 3. This game felt smoother than DS3 for some reason but will only come out for PS4 it seems.

Anyhow, Dark Souls 3 is going to keep me busy. How many hours of playtime is expected for a normal playthrough?

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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Drumheller769 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:35 pm UTC

That will totally depend on how long it takes you to 'git gud'.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby You, sir, name? » Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:46 pm UTC

Yeah. It's a weird series like that.

I played Dark Souls 1 first. Took me 40 hours. I easily spent half those hours on the first 10% of the game, then another 10 hours on a hard boss toward the middle.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:23 pm UTC

Second play through - 10ish hours? Something like that.

First play though - anywhere from 40 to 200. Depends on way too many factors to predict.
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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby MooseBeer » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:27 pm UTC

Drumheller769 wrote:That will totally depend on how long it takes you to 'git gud'.


SecondTalon wrote:First play though - anywhere from 40 to 200. Depends on way too many factors to predict.


Holy crap, would have to take a bloody holiday to complete this game... Is this a game primarily for fighting gamers or strategic RPG players? Anyhow, I bought it. Was greatly reduced through Xbox Live Gold. Imagine any DLC chapters for this. You'd be gone for another 100 hours probably!

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Re: Dark Souls 3

Postby Drumheller769 » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:39 pm UTC

Its an action combat game, as your reaction time and knowledge of the enemies movesets gets better, the game gets easier.
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