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The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:16 am UTC
by Narsil
No, I didn't find it. I'm asking you. We're going to once and for all figure out what the best rhythm game is.

This is totally a religious war. The only thing that's not allowed is the one jackass who says "People should just go out and play a real guitar/dance/touch colorful bubbles/dj!". We don't care about you.

Anyway, don't be an asshole, but do justify your opinion. Also, I tried to cover the basics, but I'm sure I've missed something so tell me if you want something added to the polls. I have a feeling at least one person is going to be clever and suggest Flute Hero. Well it's not happening. Beat you to it, you cheeky sod.

***Also, let's assume that the options up there also stand for their free, open source computer counterparts. I'm not adding every simulator for every game, but a case can be made if it adds enough features. So as of now Guitar Hero = Guitar Zero, Frets on Fire, ect. and DDR = StepMania, Flash Flash Revolution, ect.***

I'll start us off with suggesting the classic Dance Dance Revolution. It's simple and appeals to everyone, as it only has four buttons and that's not near as intimidating as some other games. At the same time, it can be challenging enough for pros. The downside is that the music is mostly crap. I liked Extreme 2's soundtrack, but the Supernovas were way too americanized.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:58 am UTC
by Aleril
Rock Band is an orgasm of musical gaming fun.

That is, if you have the money and friends.

DDR is also nice.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:36 am UTC
by EvanED
Rock band promises to be fun, but having played Guitar Hero and Karaoke revolution, I think I know what to expect there for the most part. I vote the first wildly popular one, DDR.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:24 pm UTC
by rrwoods
Will select "You forgot my favorite" unless you decide to add In The Groove (2) to the poll.

I will provide a fairly comprehensive list of reasons why it's better than Dance Dance Revolution (and fairly different, thus meriting the above request) on request* -- for expert players and players who've never seen a dance game before, and everyone in between.

* which is to say, at ~9:30 EST if the request is made today, after I get home from having played In The Groove after work.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:57 pm UTC
by no-genius
I played guitar hero II when I stayed at my brothers. I was totally wrong about that game. It is teh awesum.

Also I haven't played any of the others.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:01 pm UTC
by Zuntrios
Elite beat Agents for the win.... I'm still trying to get a perfect run on everything, and I've had it since it came out. I've got 41/76 done. Blasted 100 at the very end of perfect 300's = massive screams of "NOOOOOOOOO!!!"

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:32 pm UTC
by Kizyr
I've really gotten into Daigassou Band Brothers (大合奏バンド・ブラザーズ).

It's kind of like Rock Band for the Nintendo DS. Eight people can play off of one cartridge, too. I've been playing it a lot lately, even though I've only had it for about 2 weeks (and now that I just finished Phoenix Wright JFA, I'll probably be playing it a lot more).

The Beginner-Amateur-Pro modes, also, make it easy for someone new to just join in. KF

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:53 pm UTC
by Vekter
Dude, you've got, like, 5 on there that are awesome.

Guitar Hero
DDR
Oendan
EBA... Make that 4.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:59 pm UTC
by rrwoods
Vekter, your avatar is awesome.

Also, "Let the above stand for their free counterparts" = "DDR -> StepMania"? Even more of a reason to have ITG up there -- it's freaking got StepMania under the hood and can play .sm files as of revision 21.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:28 pm UTC
by quintopia
Vekter's avatar is pretty funny, but it bothers me that the only rest is a half rest, and it's in common time.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:37 pm UTC
by hendusoone
Kizyr wrote:I've really gotten into Daigassou Band Brothers (大合奏バンド・ブラザーズ).

It's kind of like Rock Band for the Nintendo DS. Eight people can play off of one cartridge, too. I've been playing it a lot lately, even though I've only had it for about 2 weeks (and now that I just finished Phoenix Wright JFA, I'll probably be playing it a lot more).

The Beginner-Amateur-Pro modes, also, make it easy for someone new to just join in. KF

YES!! This game is Most Excellent. I was introduced to it at Otakon, but could not justify paying $60 for it there. Nintendo needs to get around to releasing this game in the US, so I can stop feeling guilty about not paying for it (for those of you in the same situation as me, it's number 36).

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:52 pm UTC
by Narsil
I've always wanted to play that game. I would be damn shocked if Nintendo doesn't capitalize on the Rock Band craze and release that soon. Then again, they've made a lot of boneheaded moves.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:50 pm UTC
by rrwoods
:: votes for ITG :: yay!

So anyways... that "rhythm games suck" option kinda breaks the poll's appearance on 1024-pixel-wide (and smaller) screens...

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:00 pm UTC
by semicolon
rrwoods wrote:Will select "You forgot my favorite" unless you decide to add In The Groove (2) to the poll.

I will provide a fairly comprehensive list of reasons why it's better than Dance Dance Revolution (and fairly different, thus meriting the above request) on request* -- for expert players and players who've never seen a dance game before, and everyone in between.

Shame about the incredibly shitty music though.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:12 pm UTC
by b.i.o
rrwoods wrote::: votes for ITG :: yay!

So anyways... that "rhythm games suck" option kinda breaks the poll's appearance on 1024-pixel-wide (and smaller) screens...


Doesn't it word wrap automatically? It does for me when I shrink it down...

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:38 pm UTC
by rrwoods
semicolon wrote:Shame about the incredibly shitty music though.

Huh? I'd say it's a fair bit more diverse than the best DDR game's music.

Silver2Falcon wrote:Doesn't it word wrap automatically? It does for me when I shrink it down...

It does, but the way the column widths have been calculated, the vote count column also wraps, so I get things like this:
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Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:02 pm UTC
by Rodan
>gasp< my choice isn't winning?!

Ouendan!!!!!!!!!!!!!


...near second is Guitar Hero. Then probably a Japanese drum (as in, the kind of drums you find in Japan that I forgot the name of) game that I played a couple times in Japan.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:16 pm UTC
by Kizyr
hendusoone wrote:
Kizyr wrote:I've really gotten into Daigassou Band Brothers (大合奏バンド・ブラザーズ).

YES!! This game is Most Excellent. I was introduced to it at Otakon, but could not justify paying $60 for it there. Nintendo needs to get around to releasing this game in the US, so I can stop feeling guilty about not paying for it (for those of you in the same situation as me, it's number 36).

I saw it at AnimeUSA, and caved in and spent the $60. Of course, whenever I go by the Mad Gear LLC booth, I always end up getting 2 more games than I initially intended on buying (I didn't intend on buying anything, so naturally...).

I'm sort of stuck at being pretty good at Amateur mode, and awful at Pro mode. That's a difficult transition.

After I get pretty good at this, though, I want to put together a few more medleys of my own. It'll be like programming ringtones in my phone all over again. KF

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:43 pm UTC
by Delbin
DDR wins for me since it fun in giving you a decent enough workout.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:02 am UTC
by Jessica
I'm going with GH, even though I still haven't mastered the orange button. Curse you button! CURSE YOU!!!
I like singstar and frequency/amplitude as well.
I just can't do DDR.
I bet rockband is awesome, but I can't say it's the best as I haven't played it.
Same goes for most of those games... though I wnat to play elite agents.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:54 am UTC
by xenuphobia
I prefer Guitar Hero the most, even if it cramps up your hands. DDR just leaves you exhausted and sweaty, and I'm not really into that. EBA was pretty good but I kept losing hold of the stylus and missing notes. I was also concerned about pressing down on my touch screen too hard during the spinning sequences, possibly warping or scratching it. I still need to finish "Expert" mode and all of the bonus songs, though. Maybe one day.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:01 am UTC
by Kizyr
I've always loved DDR. When I used to play often, I was able to do up to 8-foot, and a couple of 9-foot songs (back when they were rated with feet instead of the graph).

I very rarely play it now, though, since I live in an apartment building. And, I'd rather not annoy my downstairs neighbors. KF

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:56 am UTC
by Pobega
How can you forget Frets on Fire? It's the only rhythm game I really have the patience for, considering it isn't comprised of shitty covers or cruddy consoles (I can't stay playing on a Playstation or XBox, it just erks me).

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:13 am UTC
by xenuphobia
Pobega wrote:How can you forget Frets on Fire? It's the only rhythm game I really have the patience for, considering it isn't comprised of shitty covers or cruddy consoles (I can't stay playing on a Playstation or XBox, it just erks me).


Narsil wrote:***Also, let's assume that the options up there also stand for their free, open source computer counterparts. I'm not adding every simulator for every game, but a case can be made if it adds enough features. So as of now Guitar Hero = Guitar Zero, Frets on Fire, ect. and DDR = StepMania, Flash Flash Revolution, ect.***

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:22 am UTC
by JayDee
Kizyr wrote:I've really gotten into Daigassou Band Brothers (大合奏バンド・ブラザーズ).

It's kind of like Rock Band for the Nintendo DS. Eight people can play off of one cartridge, too. I've been playing it a lot lately, even though I've only had it for about 2 weeks (and now that I just finished Phoenix Wright JFA, I'll probably be playing it a lot more).

The Beginner-Amateur-Pro modes, also, make it easy for someone new to just join in. KF

Me too. Not that I have the game yet, but I'd love to get my hands on it, rather than just jamming with friends when I'm in Melbourne.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:03 am UTC
by Princess Marzipan
DDR is basic and is an actual activity, yet there's always some way you can improve and it takes a while to get old.

Guitar Hero is dead after III's shittiness and Rock Band.

Rock Band is the most organic experience with these games, and has music that's probably more familiar to most.

IIDX will destroy you and constantly delivers new content, but you have to live near Tokyo Game Action or have a jPS2 to benefit from that.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:16 am UTC
by xenuphobia
Nougatrocity wrote:DDR is basic and is an actual activity, yet there's always some way you can improve and it takes a while to get old.

Guitar Hero is dead after III's shittiness and Rock Band.

Rock Band is the most organic experience with these games, and has music that's probably more familiar to most.

IIDX will destroy you and constantly delivers new content, but you have to live near Tokyo Game Action or have a jPS2 to benefit from that.


I'll take issue with that. While III was a sticky point for some, it still provided a fresh experience and new songs, proving that it can stay around and pump sequels out as much as DDR can. I fully expect to see Guitar Hero IV out October / November next year because that horse is not nearly dead yet. And people looking for their Guitar Hero fix in Rock Band will be sorely disappointed, because if you can slam out Expert in GHIII you're above and beyond anything Rock Band requires you to do. It's really, really simple comparatively. Also, you need friends, and while Guitar Hero is becoming more of a social activity I have no doubt that there are lots of people who still play by themselves.

As long as there's a market for it, Activision will be around to exploit it, of that I have no doubt. Besides, this was their first game and from the feedback given, I'm hoping we'll see a more polished version with the shit that should be in the game in the first place (quickplay co-op, boss battles) be in the game the first time around.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:41 am UTC
by Zohar
I liked UmJammer Lammy, myself... Probably because it was the only rhythm game I was any good at...

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:45 pm UTC
by rrwoods
Gharbad wrote:haven't mastered the orange button
Protip: Play medium without your pinky.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:35 pm UTC
by xenuphobia
Actually, where's the option for PaRappa the Rapper? That was certainly the first rhythm game I'd ever heard of.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:49 pm UTC
by zingmaster
I won't say that Guitar Hero isn't awesome, but I do think it's a bit of a lazy game. DDR is my pick because to truly be good (which I'm not, quite yet), you have to feel the rhythm in your entire body, not just your feet. And be able to execute it. To get really good scores, you have to be deadly accurate.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:59 pm UTC
by rrwoods
zingmaster wrote:you have to be deadly accurate

This is one of the things that is keeping me from really, really liking Guitar Hero. Once you FC a song in DDR, the next step is playing more accurately. Once you FC a song in Guitar Hero... the next step is memorizing Star Power paths and then even worse, abusing the timing windows to get more Star Power. It's fun in a way, and I actually do enjoy it at least at little, but it makes it less of a rhythm game and more "just another" video game. I'd rather have judgment windows.

That's one of the things that's attracting me to Rock Band -- the Guitar and Bass parts still have the same issue, but the with the Drum and Voice parts, you don't have a choice as to when you activate SP; only how often, and there's (as far as I know) no such thing as "squeezing" extra SP. (Of course, you can still try to hit notes early/late at the end/beginning of an SP activation, but you have much less control over that than you do in GH.) Add in the fact that you can collect SP while using SP in Rock Band, taking away the possible need to "strategically" avoid getting it, and you've got a "more pure" rhythm game. I'd still like judgment windows though.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:55 pm UTC
by Aleril
Wait a second...

Why is Osu! Tatake! Ouendan! even on there? Its just the japanese version of Elite Beat Agents, nothing else, other than it has crappy japanese songs.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:36 pm UTC
by Rodan
Aleril wrote:Wait a second...

Why is Osu! Tatake! Ouendan! even on there? Its just the japanese version of Elite Beat Agents, nothing else, other than it has crappy japanese songs.

Because Osu! Tatake! Ouendan! > Elite Beat Agents.
For one, I'd have to say crappy Japanese songs > crappy American songs. At least they're interesting.
2. The cheerleader guys are just awesome. They're singing, dancing cheerleaders, and yet somehow, the remain the epitome of masculinity.
3. The level where you cheer a guy on so he can become a giant and fight a humongous blue mouse. 'Nuff said.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:46 pm UTC
by xenuphobia
I tried Osu! but I have this driving need to actually understand wtf is going on, which proves to be a barrier to most Japanese games w/o English stuff on the cart (yay Phoenix Wright).

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:00 am UTC
by Dark Ragnarok
ITG. Because it can be hacked to have all DDR songs and Stepmania songs. You cna plug a Keyboard in so in functions as mostly any rythym foot game. However Stepmania will win if i'm allowed to cab it with PIU and any other game as an EMU for it.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:39 am UTC
by Narsil
Stepmania means any game that is made with Stepmania goodness

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:29 am UTC
by EvanED
Dark Ragnarok wrote:ITG. Because it can be hacked to have all DDR songs and Stepmania songs. You cna plug a Keyboard in so in functions as mostly any rythym foot game. However Stepmania will win if i'm allowed to cab it with PIU and any other game as an EMU for it.

From what people say in the Portal thread, you have to hack ITG to get it to play songs longer than 2:00, and the latest version that hack doesn't work on. This, IMO, is an absolutely killer feature -- for the opposite definition of the word "killer".

I have at least a large portion of the ITG 1 songs that I can play in Stepmania, and that's good enough for me.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:06 am UTC
by Dark Ragnarok
If the cab is version 21, i think the cap is 2 minutes, and needs an .ogg hack. Easily fixed. But if its version 16 just an ormal hack will be fine no issues.

Re: The Best Rhythm Game Ever

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:43 pm UTC
by rrwoods
The true "hack" for ITG involves actually copying music and steps onto the machine; at that point the game doesn't see your new songs as "additional" and you can make it as long as you want with no worries. Conveniently there's USB ports on the front of the cab that you can plug a keyboard into.